Imagine thinking that somehow an employer must be forced to continue hiring and financially supporting an employee against their will, and the will of their customer base, all in the name of freedom? If Wizards doesn't want to hire someone for any reason, let alone because doing so gives a platform to someone's terrible opinions, they don't have to. Period. You can cry all you want, but responding to people with discriminatory and inflammatory public opinions by not hiring them is not discrimination. Just because it is her opinion doesn't mean she cannot and should not be fired for it.
The echo chamber here is exactly why so many local gaming stores closed in 2019. Catering to an entitled and, quite frankly, disgusting, crowd of misogynistic incel snowflakes has pushed the majority of players out of stores. And honestly, good riddance to the LGSs that went under with them.
I wished this card would be mono white to give white more card adventtage. I know that the creature part is more black and a blend in white but come on. White get this kind of effect so rarely even for cards it should care off like auras and enchantments.
Nice uncommon solid art.
Black is the color that would be putting the tasty things in the graveyard in the first place. This card isn’t good value in just bringing back the normal-course things that you already cast earlier in the game and then died. It’s decks with black’s discard and gravepopulate/mill effects that will have big relevant things in the grave to make casting this into a curve-jumping behemoth on board. Mono white wouldn’t get there.
I wished this card would be mono white to give white more card adventtage. I know that the creature part is more black and a blend in white but come on. White get this kind of effect so rarely even for cards it should care off like auras and enchantments.
Nice uncommon solid art.
I wished this card would be mono white to give white more card adventtage. I know that the creature part is more black and a blend in white but come on. White get this kind of effect so rarely even for cards it should care off like auras and enchantments.
Nice uncommon solid art.
Is this no longer in White's slice of the pie then? I always thought this was a secondary white ability because of things like Reya Dawnbringer and Miraculous Recovery
It is a bend in white not a break. White still get this effects for small creatures, just died creatures, or creatures iconic to white like angels and humans. I don't care about standard where this is only paired with discard effects to cheat something out. I am speaking of edh where white has massive problems in middle to late game because of the card draw issue. This would give white a selection off played creatures/auras. I like this more than the group draw idea.
I wished this card would be mono white to give white more card adventtage. I know that the creature part is more black and a blend in white but come on. White get this kind of effect so rarely even for cards it should care off like auras and enchantments.
Nice uncommon solid art.
Is this no longer in White's slice of the pie then? I always thought this was a secondary white ability because of things like Reya Dawnbringer and Miraculous Recovery
It is secondary, which is why most of its creature reanimation is limited. Reya is allowed because she's a creature, while Miraculous Recovery won't be getting any newer variations moving forward.
Guys. Guys. GUYS.
******* stop bringing diversity politics into ******* card reveal threads that have absolutely nothing to do with it. Do the mods really have to intervene on every third thread before you just let it go and talk about it somewhere else? What am I saying? Of course they do.
Card seems pretty decent. Compare to Obzedat's Aid. Gets less permanent types, but can get multiple cards at once.
Moderators have clarified that it is acceptable for people to discuss politics in a thread if they can do so respectfully. You don't have to automatically complain about a discussion occurring just because it has political content.
Now as to the discussion...
WotC as a company has the freedom to make business decisions about who they employ based on how that impacts their profits. If consumers of your product don't like an artist for whatever reason, the company is free to not employ that artist.
So what it comes down to is that if an artist expresses problematic political views, consumers are also free to exercise their free speech to criticize that person. Companies will naturally take note of this response when evaluating the profitability of their business decisions. And other consumers are also free to criticize this criticism, although they would be factually incorrect if they attempted to assert that criticizing people's views is anti-free speech. It is extremely clear that criticizing views is not just pro-free speech, it is exercising free speech in practice.
Now, if the critics of the critics want to insist on using arguments with demonstrably false premises, they are free to do that as well. It just comes at the cost of the argument's reasonableness. And if the critics of critics want to argue that criticizing someone's political views suppresses free speech, they can type those words regardless of the fact that they are being hypocritical. The quality of discourse which occurs in free speech depends of course entirely on higher values such as rationality, honesty, and sincerity. If not all participants in a discourse share those values, it becomes extremely difficult to shed light upon how free speech is best upheld in that context.
Sure, I'm fine with that. They aren't good views to have. It's also completely legal on top of moral in this case.
As for the US being free I find it more funny than anything that you believe that ever to have been true. Or that somehow what would make the country more free is tolerating intolerance. The only real thing that is up for debate is whether or not she actually holds those views, not if the action is wrong if those are views she holds.
You just advocated for discrimination (And essentially persecution) of people based solely on their thoughts. Let alone views shared by half the country that voted in its current president. That’s a far cry for a nation founded on the grounds of religious freedom. Which for the record, are also views and thoughts. But far be it for me to convince someone who just supported discrimination of any kind, while somehow claiming the moral high ground
bring Terese Nielsen back to MTG
Not all thoughts are created equal. Christianity should be protected, as should Judaism, atheism, Islam, and all other religions. Nazism, homophobia, and the like should not. This is because a society that protects Nazis and homophobes from the consequences of their hate by definition does not protect Jews or gay people. This is why a tolerant society cannot tolerate intolerance.
I am not sure if the allegations against Nielson are true, but I heard she is a TERF, and if it's true, she deserves to be treated like anyone else with an exterminatory ideology. If it's not, you do have a point, but you should stick to the "She's not actually a bigot" argument, not this "we have to protect bigots" garbage.
Please, mill me. Mill my important cards. Mill my lands. Mill it all. Because I will still deal 20 damage before you can mill 45 cards most every time.
I really don't know what the confounded issue is surrounding Guay and what not.
On to the card.
This card reminds me of Resurrection only with the added bonus of returning a creature AND an aura that could essentially swing it for you. It's a a great limited pick if you happen to run those colours.
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I think the Terese discussion requires its own thread. That said, I’d like to emphasize that her beliefs were assumed. She never actually voiced any views herself. Guilty by association is a dangerous witch hunt. And this blanket assumption that conservatives are (let me recount the mind-control paranoia labels that media outlets are suggesting as best I can) uhh bigots, homophobe, Nazi, white supremacist, Islamophobic, racist, Xenophobic, sexist, blah blah - that is genuinely ignorant
I hate to break to to everyone, but it’s really all about money. Right and left are a distraction. Liberals find emotional triggers to shield their agenda with social politics as a guise to raise taxes and pocket it. Conservatives don’t want government taking their hard earned money and handing a fraction of it out and having big government find insidious ways to pocket most of the rest of it, as government is adept at doing. Liberals scream about needing healthcare or whatever, which is possible without raising taxes, and conservatives want to lower taxes at the cost of such programs, although lower taxes and funding such programs isn’t actually mutually exclusive if the government weren’t corrupt. Both sides just play off each other to benefit at the expense of the middle and lower class. They’re all rich folks. Made off with the cake and we are here on forums debating over crumbs we earn and crumbs we need. Meanwhile, shady things like Epstein incriminating both sides is overlooked because everyone is too busy batting for one team or the other. It’s myopic and petty.
Right leaning people just want to keep what they earn and don’t want government being involved in their lives. Most Americans are social liberals and economic conservatives. Quit being brain dead sheep that follow the media. People just want to keep more of what they earned and the majority doesn’t give a damn about bathrooms, race, feelings or any of the labels you're ignorantly associating with them.
Genuinely ignorant to assume people’s views because the media told you that their vote alone is enough to condemn them. Voting is their right and the only way to know a person’s views and the intricacies of their thoughts and reasoning to come to such a decision is to ask and listen, not mobilize oneself with pre-prepared ignorant judgement labels that rapidly dismiss a person’s internal evaluation and experience. People have deeper incentives to vote as they do, and it often has next to nothing to do with what the media tells everyone is their reasoning.
Hard workers keeping more of their money and independence aren’t all closet Nazi’s just because the television told you they are.
The rabid and visceral reaction against Terese with such minimal insight or understanding was ignorant and valued emotion over reason. The rest of us who could care less how Terese votes and only know her through the merit of her work (which is why even liberal fans know of her) just lost a remarkable artist whose work we can no longer enjoy for to placate mob mentality at its finest. It really didn’t make the world any better, only worse actually. It deprived the world of art with no benefit. And there is resentment over that.
I think the Terese discussion requires its own thread. That said, I’d like to emphasize that her beliefs were assumed. She never actually voiced any views herself. Guilty by association is a dangerous witch hunt. And this blanket assumption that conservatives are (let me recount the mind-control paranoia labels that media outlets are suggesting as best I can) uhh bigots, homophobe, Nazi, white supremacist, Islamophobic, racist, Xenophobic, sexist, blah blah - that is genuinely ignorant
I hate to break to to everyone, but it’s really all about money. Right and left are a distraction. Liberals find emotional triggers to shield their agenda with social politics as a guise to raise taxes and pocket it. Conservatives don’t want government taking their hard earned money and handing a fraction of it out and having big government find insidious ways to pocket most of the rest of it, as government is adept at doing. Liberals scream about needing healthcare or whatever, which is possible without raising taxes, and conservatives want to lower taxes at the cost of such programs, although lower taxes and funding such programs isn’t actually mutually exclusive if the government weren’t corrupt. Both sides just play off each other to benefit at the expense of the middle and lower class. They’re all rich folks. Made off with the cake and we are here on forums debating over crumbs we earn and crumbs we need. Meanwhile, shady things like Epstein incriminating both sides is overlooked because everyone is too busy batting for one team or the other. It’s myopic and petty.
Right leaning people just want to keep what they earn and don’t want government being involved in their lives. Most Americans are social liberals and economic conservatives. Quit being brain dead sheep that follow the media. People just want to keep more of what they earned and the majority doesn’t give a damn about bathrooms, race, feelings or any of the labels you're ignorantly associating with them.
Genuinely ignorant to assume people’s views because the media told you that their vote alone is enough to condemn them. Voting is their right and the only way to know a person’s views and the intricacies of their thoughts and reasoning to come to such a decision is to ask and listen, not mobilize oneself with pre-prepared ignorant judgement labels that rapidly dismiss a person’s internal evaluation and experience. People have deeper incentives to vote as they do, and it often has next to nothing to do with what the media tells everyone is their reasoning.
Hard workers keeping more of their money and independence aren’t all closet Nazi’s just because the television told you they are.
The rabid and visceral reaction against Terese with such minimal insight or understanding was ignorant and valued emotion over reason. The rest of us who could care less how Terese votes and only know her through the merit of her work (which is why even liberal fans know of her) just lost a remarkable artist whose work we can no longer enjoy for to placate mob mentality at its finest. It really didn’t make the world any better, only worse actually. It deprived the world of art with no benefit. And there is resentment over that.
This sounds a lot more like a comment about what you believe than what terese nielsen believes. The problem here is that you're just arguing that the status quo exists and therefore is justified rather than justifying the status quo. Money might be a motivating factor in political association, but is that correct? Is that incorrect? Who knows, because you're not really that interested in the question. All you're interested in is protecting your own interests, a worldview you've conveniently ascribed to everyone else.
Guys. Guys. GUYS.
******* stop bringing diversity politics into ******* card reveal threads that have absolutely nothing to do with it. Do the mods really have to intervene on every third thread before you just let it go and talk about it somewhere else? What am I saying? Of course they do.
Card seems pretty decent. Compare to Obzedat's Aid. Gets less permanent types, but can get multiple cards at once.
Moderators have clarified that it is acceptable for people to discuss politics in a thread if they can do so respectfully. You don't have to automatically complain about a discussion occurring just because it has political content.
This is a thread about an MtG card. You're talking about freedom of speech and legal rights and protections. It's off-topic, and it's obstructive to anyone who just wants to talk about the card to get buried in a whole other discussion. Plus, what are the chances this stays civil? It's flamebait, and it usually doesn't go anywhere very productive.
Start a new thread and talk about it there if you want.
Guys. Guys. GUYS.
******* stop bringing diversity politics into ******* card reveal threads that have absolutely nothing to do with it. Do the mods really have to intervene on every third thread before you just let it go and talk about it somewhere else? What am I saying? Of course they do.
Card seems pretty decent. Compare to Obzedat's Aid. Gets less permanent types, but can get multiple cards at once.
Moderators have clarified that it is acceptable for people to discuss politics in a thread if they can do so respectfully. You don't have to automatically complain about a discussion occurring just because it has political content.
This is a thread about aj MtG card. You're talking about freedom of speech and legal rights and protections. It's off-topic, and it's obstructive to anyone who just wants to talk about the card to get buried in a whole other discussion. Plus, what are the chances this stays civil? It's flamebait, and it usually doesn't go anywhere very productive.
Start a new thread and talk about it there if you want.
You're right that it's off topic in this particular thread, though even in other threads where the direction of the conversation was related in some way to the card posted in the thread, you have made similar remarks. To be frank, I would say that this card is pretty formulaic and on topic discussion of it has already been practically exhausted, so no one is really being obstructed. It seems to me that the average amount of discussion on individual cards has fallen over the years. Perhaps the game is just getting older and there's less to say about slight variations upon standard designs everyone is familiar with. I anticipate discussion continuing to decline, unless we tolerate more informal conversations.
There used to be other subforums where these kinds of discussions could take place and tangential posts here could be split off, but those subforums were removed (apparently because they required too much moderating). The consequence of that is that there isn't really an appropriate outlet for members to express themselves and it spills into these threads and will inevitably continue to do so. And since such threads are typically closed shortly afterwards, forum members aren't really given a chance to learn how to behave properly during those discussions. Instead people just end up flaming each other since they know their discussion will be cut off anyway. I believe this has contributed to the fragmentation of the community. Given that Rumor Mill is the main forum, it's probably more feasible to manage moderating discussion here even if its scope is expanded.
Finally, while you might not personally find these digressions to be very productive, they might be for other people reading. For example, we have this thread where, in response to various peoples' remarks, Tiro slightly changed his position. I believe this implies he learned something or gained greater clarity in his thinking. For an internet argument, that's actually quite an extraordinary turn of events, even if there's still issues to address.
I think the Terese discussion requires its own thread. That said, I’d like to emphasize that her beliefs were assumed. She never actually voiced any views herself. Guilty by association is a dangerous witch hunt. And this blanket assumption that conservatives are (let me recount the mind-control paranoia labels that media outlets are suggesting as best I can) uhh bigots, homophobe, Nazi, white supremacist, Islamophobic, racist, Xenophobic, sexist, blah blah - that is genuinely ignorant
I hate to break to to everyone, but it’s really all about money. Right and left are a distraction. Liberals find emotional triggers to shield their agenda with social politics as a guise to raise taxes and pocket it. Conservatives don’t want government taking their hard earned money and handing a fraction of it out and having big government find insidious ways to pocket most of the rest of it, as government is adept at doing. Liberals scream about needing healthcare or whatever, which is possible without raising taxes, and conservatives want to lower taxes at the cost of such programs, although lower taxes and funding such programs isn’t actually mutually exclusive if the government weren’t corrupt. Both sides just play off each other to benefit at the expense of the middle and lower class. They’re all rich folks. Made off with the cake and we are here on forums debating over crumbs we earn and crumbs we need. Meanwhile, shady things like Epstein incriminating both sides is overlooked because everyone is too busy batting for one team or the other. It’s myopic and petty.
Right leaning people just want to keep what they earn and don’t want government being involved in their lives. Most Americans are social liberals and economic conservatives. Quit being brain dead sheep that follow the media. People just want to keep more of what they earned and the majority doesn’t give a damn about bathrooms, race, feelings or any of the labels you're ignorantly associating with them.
Genuinely ignorant to assume people’s views because the media told you that their vote alone is enough to condemn them. Voting is their right and the only way to know a person’s views and the intricacies of their thoughts and reasoning to come to such a decision is to ask and listen, not mobilize oneself with pre-prepared ignorant judgement labels that rapidly dismiss a person’s internal evaluation and experience. People have deeper incentives to vote as they do, and it often has next to nothing to do with what the media tells everyone is their reasoning.
Hard workers keeping more of their money and independence aren’t all closet Nazi’s just because the television told you they are.
The rabid and visceral reaction against Terese with such minimal insight or understanding was ignorant and valued emotion over reason. The rest of us who could care less how Terese votes and only know her through the merit of her work (which is why even liberal fans know of her) just lost a remarkable artist whose work we can no longer enjoy for to placate mob mentality at its finest. It really didn’t make the world any better, only worse actually. It deprived the world of art with no benefit. And there is resentment over that.
So, if people aren't sexist, or homophobic, or racist, but they support politicians that consistently attack women's rights and gay rights, and steal immigrant children from their parents, and they give this support all just for the sake of money, what does that say about their morality?
If a person votes in lawmakers who want me and my kind exterminated, I honestly don't care whether they actually are transphobic and antisemitic or not. The result is the same in the end.
Please, mill me. Mill my important cards. Mill my lands. Mill it all. Because I will still deal 20 damage before you can mill 45 cards most every time.
I think the Terese discussion requires its own thread. That said, I’d like to emphasize that her beliefs were assumed. She never actually voiced any views herself. Guilty by association is a dangerous witch hunt. And this blanket assumption that conservatives are (let me recount the mind-control paranoia labels that media outlets are suggesting as best I can) uhh bigots, homophobe, Nazi, white supremacist, Islamophobic, racist, Xenophobic, sexist, blah blah - that is genuinely ignorant
I hate to break to to everyone, but it’s really all about money. Right and left are a distraction. Liberals find emotional triggers to shield their agenda with social politics as a guise to raise taxes and pocket it. Conservatives don’t want government taking their hard earned money and handing a fraction of it out and having big government find insidious ways to pocket most of the rest of it, as government is adept at doing. Liberals scream about needing healthcare or whatever, which is possible without raising taxes, and conservatives want to lower taxes at the cost of such programs, although lower taxes and funding such programs isn’t actually mutually exclusive if the government weren’t corrupt. Both sides just play off each other to benefit at the expense of the middle and lower class. They’re all rich folks. Made off with the cake and we are here on forums debating over crumbs we earn and crumbs we need. Meanwhile, shady things like Epstein incriminating both sides is overlooked because everyone is too busy batting for one team or the other. It’s myopic and petty.
Right leaning people just want to keep what they earn and don’t want government being involved in their lives. Most Americans are social liberals and economic conservatives. Quit being brain dead sheep that follow the media. People just want to keep more of what they earned and the majority doesn’t give a damn about bathrooms, race, feelings or any of the labels you're ignorantly associating with them.
Genuinely ignorant to assume people’s views because the media told you that their vote alone is enough to condemn them. Voting is their right and the only way to know a person’s views and the intricacies of their thoughts and reasoning to come to such a decision is to ask and listen, not mobilize oneself with pre-prepared ignorant judgement labels that rapidly dismiss a person’s internal evaluation and experience. People have deeper incentives to vote as they do, and it often has next to nothing to do with what the media tells everyone is their reasoning.
Hard workers keeping more of their money and independence aren’t all closet Nazi’s just because the television told you they are.
The rabid and visceral reaction against Terese with such minimal insight or understanding was ignorant and valued emotion over reason. The rest of us who could care less how Terese votes and only know her through the merit of her work (which is why even liberal fans know of her) just lost a remarkable artist whose work we can no longer enjoy for to placate mob mentality at its finest. It really didn’t make the world any better, only worse actually. It deprived the world of art with no benefit. And there is resentment over that.
So, if people aren't sexist, or homophobic, or racist, but they support politicians that consistently attack women's rights and gay rights, and steal immigrant children from their parents, and they give this support all just for the sake of money, what does that say about their morality?
If a person votes in lawmakers who want me and my kind exterminated, I honestly don't care whether they actually are transphobic and antisemitic or not. The result is the same in the end.
I haven’t seen evidence that Trump is any of those things. He has never attacked gay rights (it’s not a right to serve in the military, I imagine you’re referring to the trans community, not gay) or said anything homophobic (on the contrary) or attacked women’s rights. Don’t bother if you’re citing abortion, you know full well it’s controversial because it involves another human’s right to live and isn’t solely opposed just to “oppress women.” And I have never heard Trump call for the extermination of anyone or any race either. Immigration laws existed before and will persist after Trump as well. America is not the only country with such laws either, which for the record, are enforced abroad as well. Giving Israel Jerusalem sure was anti-Semitic and quite the nazi of him as well I imagine.
Sounds to me like you’ve been watching a great deal of liberal propaganda, probably from CNN. I remember when they spent an entire segment during a catastrophic hurricane blaming Trump for climate change instead of reporting on the actual storm. Remarkable.
I think the Terese discussion requires its own thread. That said, I’d like to emphasize that her beliefs were assumed. She never actually voiced any views herself. Guilty by association is a dangerous witch hunt. And this blanket assumption that conservatives are (let me recount the mind-control paranoia labels that media outlets are suggesting as best I can) uhh bigots, homophobe, Nazi, white supremacist, Islamophobic, racist, Xenophobic, sexist, blah blah - that is genuinely ignorant
I hate to break to to everyone, but it’s really all about money. Right and left are a distraction. Liberals find emotional triggers to shield their agenda with social politics as a guise to raise taxes and pocket it. Conservatives don’t want government taking their hard earned money and handing a fraction of it out and having big government find insidious ways to pocket most of the rest of it, as government is adept at doing. Liberals scream about needing healthcare or whatever, which is possible without raising taxes, and conservatives want to lower taxes at the cost of such programs, although lower taxes and funding such programs isn’t actually mutually exclusive if the government weren’t corrupt. Both sides just play off each other to benefit at the expense of the middle and lower class. They’re all rich folks. Made off with the cake and we are here on forums debating over crumbs we earn and crumbs we need. Meanwhile, shady things like Epstein incriminating both sides is overlooked because everyone is too busy batting for one team or the other. It’s myopic and petty.
Right leaning people just want to keep what they earn and don’t want government being involved in their lives. Most Americans are social liberals and economic conservatives. Quit being brain dead sheep that follow the media. People just want to keep more of what they earned and the majority doesn’t give a damn about bathrooms, race, feelings or any of the labels you're ignorantly associating with them.
Genuinely ignorant to assume people’s views because the media told you that their vote alone is enough to condemn them. Voting is their right and the only way to know a person’s views and the intricacies of their thoughts and reasoning to come to such a decision is to ask and listen, not mobilize oneself with pre-prepared ignorant judgement labels that rapidly dismiss a person’s internal evaluation and experience. People have deeper incentives to vote as they do, and it often has next to nothing to do with what the media tells everyone is their reasoning.
Hard workers keeping more of their money and independence aren’t all closet Nazi’s just because the television told you they are.
The rabid and visceral reaction against Terese with such minimal insight or understanding was ignorant and valued emotion over reason. The rest of us who could care less how Terese votes and only know her through the merit of her work (which is why even liberal fans know of her) just lost a remarkable artist whose work we can no longer enjoy for to placate mob mentality at its finest. It really didn’t make the world any better, only worse actually. It deprived the world of art with no benefit. And there is resentment over that.
So, if people aren't sexist, or homophobic, or racist, but they support politicians that consistently attack women's rights and gay rights, and steal immigrant children from their parents, and they give this support all just for the sake of money, what does that say about their morality?
If a person votes in lawmakers who want me and my kind exterminated, I honestly don't care whether they actually are transphobic and antisemitic or not. The result is the same in the end.
I haven’t seen evidence that Trump is any of those things. He has never attacked gay rights (it’s not a right to serve in the military, I imagine you’re referring to the trans community, not gay) or said anything homophobic (on the contrary) or attacked women’s rights. Don’t bother if you’re citing abortion, you know full well it’s controversial because it involves another human’s right to live and isn’t solely opposed just to “oppress women.” And I have never heard Trump call for the extermination of anyone or any race either. Immigration laws existed before and will persist after Trump as well. America is not the only country with such laws either, which for the record, are enforced abroad as well. Giving Israel Jerusalem sure was anti-Semitic and quite the nazi of him as well I imagine.
Sounds to me like you’ve been watching a great deal of liberal propaganda, probably from CNN. I remember when they spent an entire segment during a catastrophic hurricane blaming Trump for climate change instead of reporting on the actual storm. Remarkable.
While we’re on the subject of women’s rights, let’s evaluate Hillary’s history with representing her husband for his... promiscuous and illegal sexual escapades, while harassing his victims. Destroying incriminating evidence. Benghazi. “Suicides.” I’ve observed her vehemently oppose gay marriage, to then telling Ellen on her own show that she only supports civil unions and not gay marriage, and only after Obama stuck his neck out and legalized it did she flip the script and release a glowing video of how fondly she supports gay marriage.
She is a Dishonest and controversial career politician. And frankly, the nation was picking its poison. There were only two options. So yes, when Presented with choosing the lesser of two evils, people voted based on economic stability, or going with someone who tells obnoxious truths over sweet political lies. Some admire that transparency.
But I could care less about a decided election in the past. What I don’t like to see is people inflicting harm on others, especially while claiming the moral high ground. The internet outrage campaign against Terese didn’t accomplish anything productive or help the world at all. It didn’t even benefit the Small niche of the magic community. All it did was create despair for a veteran artist, and deprive her fans of art. All over assumptions and paranoia and not direct statements or facts. It was mob mentality that just created resentment.
Wow, sure are some cool people defending Trump all day on a MtG site, in a thread that had nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with politics, Nielson, or any of the other crap that rolled down here. Just wish the defense wasn't a mix of "FAKE NEWS" and a third grader's understanding of human rights and geopolitics, but what can I expect really?
Wow, sure are some cool people defending Trump all day on a MtG site, in a thread that had nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with politics, Nielson, or any of the other crap that rolled down here. Just wish the defense wasn't a mix of "FAKE NEWS" and a third grader's understanding of human rights and geopolitics, but what can I expect really?
When a debate results in personal insults, it’s a good indication to retire it.
While we’re on the subject of women’s rights, let’s evaluate Hillary’s history with representing her husband for his... promiscuous and illegal sexual escapades, while harassing his victims. Destroying incriminating evidence. Benghazi. “Suicides.” I’ve observed her vehemently oppose gay marriage, to then telling Ellen on her own show that she only supports civil unions and not gay marriage, and only after Obama stuck his neck out and legalized it did she flip the script and release a glowing video of how fondly she supports gay marriage.
She is a Dishonest and controversial career politician. And frankly, the nation was picking its poison. There were only two options. So yes, when Presented with choosing the lesser of two evils, people voted based on economic stability, or going with someone who tells obnoxious truths over sweet political lies. Some admire that transparency.
But I could care less about a decided election in the past. What I don’t like to see is people inflicting harm on others, especially while claiming the moral high ground. The internet outrage campaign against Terese didn’t accomplish anything productive or help the world at all. It didn’t even benefit the Small niche of the magic community. All it did was create despair for a veteran artist, and deprive her fans of art. All over assumptions and paranoia and not direct statements or facts. It was mob mentality that just created resentment.
Wow, sure are some cool people defending Trump all day on a MtG site, in a thread that had nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with politics, Nielson, or any of the other crap that rolled down here. Just wish the defense wasn't a mix of "FAKE NEWS" and a third grader's understanding of human rights and geopolitics, but what can I expect really?
When a debate results in personal insults, it’s a good indication to retire it.
It really wasn't a debate though. It was a discussion about a Magic card that had zero to do with any of this until you got triggered by... something?
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The echo chamber here is exactly why so many local gaming stores closed in 2019. Catering to an entitled and, quite frankly, disgusting, crowd of misogynistic incel snowflakes has pushed the majority of players out of stores. And honestly, good riddance to the LGSs that went under with them.
Nice uncommon solid art.
For this to be fully mono-white, there would be either a CMC restriction, just died this turn, or on a creature.
Is this no longer in White's slice of the pie then? I always thought this was a secondary white ability because of things like Reya Dawnbringer and Miraculous Recovery
It is secondary, which is why most of its creature reanimation is limited. Reya is allowed because she's a creature, while Miraculous Recovery won't be getting any newer variations moving forward.
Moderators have clarified that it is acceptable for people to discuss politics in a thread if they can do so respectfully. You don't have to automatically complain about a discussion occurring just because it has political content.
Now as to the discussion...
WotC as a company has the freedom to make business decisions about who they employ based on how that impacts their profits. If consumers of your product don't like an artist for whatever reason, the company is free to not employ that artist.
So what it comes down to is that if an artist expresses problematic political views, consumers are also free to exercise their free speech to criticize that person. Companies will naturally take note of this response when evaluating the profitability of their business decisions. And other consumers are also free to criticize this criticism, although they would be factually incorrect if they attempted to assert that criticizing people's views is anti-free speech. It is extremely clear that criticizing views is not just pro-free speech, it is exercising free speech in practice.
Now, if the critics of the critics want to insist on using arguments with demonstrably false premises, they are free to do that as well. It just comes at the cost of the argument's reasonableness. And if the critics of critics want to argue that criticizing someone's political views suppresses free speech, they can type those words regardless of the fact that they are being hypocritical. The quality of discourse which occurs in free speech depends of course entirely on higher values such as rationality, honesty, and sincerity. If not all participants in a discourse share those values, it becomes extremely difficult to shed light upon how free speech is best upheld in that context.
Not all thoughts are created equal. Christianity should be protected, as should Judaism, atheism, Islam, and all other religions. Nazism, homophobia, and the like should not. This is because a society that protects Nazis and homophobes from the consequences of their hate by definition does not protect Jews or gay people. This is why a tolerant society cannot tolerate intolerance.
I am not sure if the allegations against Nielson are true, but I heard she is a TERF, and if it's true, she deserves to be treated like anyone else with an exterminatory ideology. If it's not, you do have a point, but you should stick to the "She's not actually a bigot" argument, not this "we have to protect bigots" garbage.
On to the card.
This card reminds me of Resurrection only with the added bonus of returning a creature AND an aura that could essentially swing it for you. It's a a great limited pick if you happen to run those colours.
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I hate to break to to everyone, but it’s really all about money. Right and left are a distraction. Liberals find emotional triggers to shield their agenda with social politics as a guise to raise taxes and pocket it. Conservatives don’t want government taking their hard earned money and handing a fraction of it out and having big government find insidious ways to pocket most of the rest of it, as government is adept at doing. Liberals scream about needing healthcare or whatever, which is possible without raising taxes, and conservatives want to lower taxes at the cost of such programs, although lower taxes and funding such programs isn’t actually mutually exclusive if the government weren’t corrupt. Both sides just play off each other to benefit at the expense of the middle and lower class. They’re all rich folks. Made off with the cake and we are here on forums debating over crumbs we earn and crumbs we need. Meanwhile, shady things like Epstein incriminating both sides is overlooked because everyone is too busy batting for one team or the other. It’s myopic and petty.
Right leaning people just want to keep what they earn and don’t want government being involved in their lives. Most Americans are social liberals and economic conservatives. Quit being brain dead sheep that follow the media. People just want to keep more of what they earned and the majority doesn’t give a damn about bathrooms, race, feelings or any of the labels you're ignorantly associating with them.
Genuinely ignorant to assume people’s views because the media told you that their vote alone is enough to condemn them. Voting is their right and the only way to know a person’s views and the intricacies of their thoughts and reasoning to come to such a decision is to ask and listen, not mobilize oneself with pre-prepared ignorant judgement labels that rapidly dismiss a person’s internal evaluation and experience. People have deeper incentives to vote as they do, and it often has next to nothing to do with what the media tells everyone is their reasoning.
Hard workers keeping more of their money and independence aren’t all closet Nazi’s just because the television told you they are.
The rabid and visceral reaction against Terese with such minimal insight or understanding was ignorant and valued emotion over reason. The rest of us who could care less how Terese votes and only know her through the merit of her work (which is why even liberal fans know of her) just lost a remarkable artist whose work we can no longer enjoy for to placate mob mentality at its finest. It really didn’t make the world any better, only worse actually. It deprived the world of art with no benefit. And there is resentment over that.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
This sounds a lot more like a comment about what you believe than what terese nielsen believes. The problem here is that you're just arguing that the status quo exists and therefore is justified rather than justifying the status quo. Money might be a motivating factor in political association, but is that correct? Is that incorrect? Who knows, because you're not really that interested in the question. All you're interested in is protecting your own interests, a worldview you've conveniently ascribed to everyone else.
This is a thread about an MtG card. You're talking about freedom of speech and legal rights and protections. It's off-topic, and it's obstructive to anyone who just wants to talk about the card to get buried in a whole other discussion. Plus, what are the chances this stays civil? It's flamebait, and it usually doesn't go anywhere very productive.
Start a new thread and talk about it there if you want.
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You're right that it's off topic in this particular thread, though even in other threads where the direction of the conversation was related in some way to the card posted in the thread, you have made similar remarks. To be frank, I would say that this card is pretty formulaic and on topic discussion of it has already been practically exhausted, so no one is really being obstructed. It seems to me that the average amount of discussion on individual cards has fallen over the years. Perhaps the game is just getting older and there's less to say about slight variations upon standard designs everyone is familiar with. I anticipate discussion continuing to decline, unless we tolerate more informal conversations.
There used to be other subforums where these kinds of discussions could take place and tangential posts here could be split off, but those subforums were removed (apparently because they required too much moderating). The consequence of that is that there isn't really an appropriate outlet for members to express themselves and it spills into these threads and will inevitably continue to do so. And since such threads are typically closed shortly afterwards, forum members aren't really given a chance to learn how to behave properly during those discussions. Instead people just end up flaming each other since they know their discussion will be cut off anyway. I believe this has contributed to the fragmentation of the community. Given that Rumor Mill is the main forum, it's probably more feasible to manage moderating discussion here even if its scope is expanded.
Finally, while you might not personally find these digressions to be very productive, they might be for other people reading. For example, we have this thread where, in response to various peoples' remarks, Tiro slightly changed his position. I believe this implies he learned something or gained greater clarity in his thinking. For an internet argument, that's actually quite an extraordinary turn of events, even if there's still issues to address.
So, if people aren't sexist, or homophobic, or racist, but they support politicians that consistently attack women's rights and gay rights, and steal immigrant children from their parents, and they give this support all just for the sake of money, what does that say about their morality?
If a person votes in lawmakers who want me and my kind exterminated, I honestly don't care whether they actually are transphobic and antisemitic or not. The result is the same in the end.
Sounds to me like you’ve been watching a great deal of liberal propaganda, probably from CNN. I remember when they spent an entire segment during a catastrophic hurricane blaming Trump for climate change instead of reporting on the actual storm. Remarkable.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Archatmos
Excellion
Fracture: Israfiel (WBR), Wujal (URG), Valedon (GUB), Amduat (BGW), Paladris (RWU)
Collision (Set Two of the Fracture Block)
Quest for the Forsaken (Set Two of the Excellion Block)
Katingal: Plane of Chains
She is a Dishonest and controversial career politician. And frankly, the nation was picking its poison. There were only two options. So yes, when Presented with choosing the lesser of two evils, people voted based on economic stability, or going with someone who tells obnoxious truths over sweet political lies. Some admire that transparency.
But I could care less about a decided election in the past. What I don’t like to see is people inflicting harm on others, especially while claiming the moral high ground. The internet outrage campaign against Terese didn’t accomplish anything productive or help the world at all. It didn’t even benefit the Small niche of the magic community. All it did was create despair for a veteran artist, and deprive her fans of art. All over assumptions and paranoia and not direct statements or facts. It was mob mentality that just created resentment.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Archatmos
Excellion
Fracture: Israfiel (WBR), Wujal (URG), Valedon (GUB), Amduat (BGW), Paladris (RWU)
Collision (Set Two of the Fracture Block)
Quest for the Forsaken (Set Two of the Excellion Block)
Katingal: Plane of Chains
It really wasn't a debate though. It was a discussion about a Magic card that had zero to do with any of this until you got triggered by... something?