Quote from SpeedGrapher »I can't get behind the new format. Bannings or whatever.It really just feels like a lazy modern. Massive cop out to a easy fix of the modern format with $4 masters products and a few more bannings. meh.......... Feels like the junior league. They really should have just brought back extended. Their long term plan is to kill off modern. So we might not have much of a choice with the slow phase out. RIP Vintage, RIP Legacy, and now RIP Modern. Unless Pioneer is just terribly boring to play.
Quote from user_938036 »This is almost literally what people said when Modern came out. While you can't say Legacy is thriving it would be equally wrong to say its dead. Magic has simply become so large that it needed this new format. And it will need another one in 10 more years. It's just the nature of the beast.
Quote from TheOnlyOne652089 »Quote from user_938036 »This is almost literally what people said when Modern came out. While you can't say Legacy is thriving it would be equally wrong to say its dead. Magic has simply become so large that it needed this new format. And it will need another one in 10 more years. It's just the nature of the beast.
The supposed "fix" for this issue was to use a format thats simply an extended standard , literally called Extended.
But that introduces the issue that important cards leave a format and put it in inbalance, as a lot of hate cards for a specific dominating deck might be in a set that is leaving the format or something new gets introduced that pushes a deck over the top, that was otherwise fair.
With multiple formats they just produce more of these problems and more to manage, which they are already doomed to fail.
Having Vintage and Legacy is important to keep the old cards alive.
Competitive Commander is pretty much just Legacy, as all the strong stuff is as expensive as a Legacy deck.
Pioneer is just a "old standard" format, which is hardly a great place to be ; the real benefit would be to have new decks, instead of all the old ones returning.
Quote from user_938036 »Extended was a failure for the exact reason why they are now committed to making a new format every 10 years. The number one thing players hate about playing magic is when their cards rotate out of the format they were playing. This is why they axed the twice a year rotation. Pioneer will be a thing for a long time just like Modern is still a thing and to a lesser extent Legacy is still a thing.
Quote from user-11102155 »actually this feels so random.
i can understand the banning of leyline and the cat, but oath of nissa and now veil of summer ?
you really have to question if these bannings solve "problematic" decks. i even question if the decks are really that problematic. the format is so new and it had not really a chance to evolve. sorry to say this, but the magic community is slow in adopting. for 1 creative person that can build decks you get 99 people that can only copy decklists of others. if they win, they keep playn the deck.
while i think veil of summer is more powerful than oath of nissa, it is also a niche card, good in just certain situations.
Quote from login »The ban of Oath of Nissa is more in the tradition of no good cantrips in the modern era, nevertheless it is quite inconsistent they don't ban Once Upon a Time too which we could argue is even better.
As for Veil of summer, as more combo stuff is figured out this card would just be the all start combo protector: from discard, from pieces getting blown and from counterspells. Playing vs Nexus of fate decks which used Veil of summer was even more miserable in a match that is already boring and dull.
As for the data used, if you go and see the PTQ, challenge and leagues from MTGO you would see Mono green devotion was still dominating after the leyline ban, and one big reason was because you couldn't kill NIssa because Veil of summer was protecting her.
Nissa, who shakes the world, BTW might go on the watch list if she still runs rampant after Veil of summer ban, or maybe she will become the Planeswalker to beat in Pioneer