I was playing the first announced modern, was it well received initially or did everyone thinks it wasn't going to work?
I don't think so because unlike Frontier this is from Wizards itself not some random fans, there's already 4 GP's scheduled next year for Pioneer (same number for modern) and the very first Pro Tour is Pioneer also. This has legs.
I was playing the first announced modern, was it well received initially or did everyone thinks it wasn't going to work?
Frontier never was official. A game shop in Japan came up with it and it kinda spread a bit, but it never got any official standing. Pioneer is kinda needed, for there are literally more cards in Modern than not, and it's getting way too expensive.
Aetherworks, Copy Cat, Jeskai ascendancy are the former standard ones that come to mind
but... being able to get a deeper card pool should find a bunch more new combos
This will easily be more successful than brawl that’s for sure especially since it’s non rotating
I call this a more fair version of modern we might have several spikes because of this format (if successful)
Oh and if enemy fetches get reprinted in standard guys don’t you dare get your hopes up I’m wagering a emergency ban in pioneer when that happens (which it won’t)
It’s not like the mystery booster thing helps this, (I know it won’t so don’t say it)
I would like it as a new extended. Modern is now a "new legacy" but every legal card can be reprinted. This is just a Modern without lots of cards that defined it, it is like a "hey lets do a modern format without the "good cards" from modern"... It is not that it is bad but id hope that the format had more changes than just be a new modern. How about rotation- like a big extended (lots of years), it would be nice to have a 8 years worth of cards format that rotated, this way wizards would always have a "flesh" format to show off as a new modern. Non rotation will only make new staples be discovered and soon after 3-4 years the format be almost like modern is today.
I would like it as a new extended. Modern is now a "new legacy" but every legal card can be reprinted. This is just a Modern without lots of cards that defined it, it is like a "hey lets do a modern format without the "good cards" from modern"... It is not that it is bad but id hope that the format had more changes than just be a new modern. How about rotation- like a big extended (lots of years), it would be nice to have a 8 years worth of cards format that rotated, this way wizards would always have a "flesh" format to show off as a new modern. Non rotation will only make new staples be discovered and soon after 3-4 years the format be almost like modern is today.
You are guaranteed to lose more people with a rotation than not. Rotations are simply that unpopular.
i wonder why they didnt start with origin and call it "origin" as a format
would have been a much better marketing thing, especially since they said they wanna target newer players. how are 6 year old sets targeting older players ?
I would like it as a new extended. Modern is now a "new legacy" but every legal card can be reprinted. This is just a Modern without lots of cards that defined it, it is like a "hey lets do a modern format without the "good cards" from modern"... It is not that it is bad but id hope that the format had more changes than just be a new modern. How about rotation- like a big extended (lots of years), it would be nice to have a 8 years worth of cards format that rotated, this way wizards would always have a "flesh" format to show off as a new modern. Non rotation will only make new staples be discovered and soon after 3-4 years the format be almost like modern is today.
If it was new Legacy without reserve list, it would go back to Masques. I do agree this is trying to kill reserve list cards for good. They don't like Legacy. If Legacy goes, I go. I've been playing this game too long to watch them abandon the past.
This is a cash grab format. It allows them to have a modern that they don't have to worry about reprints tanking value. If you notice, the kick off point is the first set that started the era of huge print runs. Now they can reprint like crazy and keep the modern "money" stuff for Masters sets and charge $15 a pack for it. No more fetch lands in $3 packs. They won't worry about needing to reprint anything in standard that will piss off Modern players. They can just crank the stuff out. They will generate the big bucks from stupid stuff like Collectors Packs with 42 different borders and styles instead of anything of actual value from a play standpoint.
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i wonder why they didnt start with origin and call it "origin" as a format
would have been a much better marketing thing, especially since they said they wanna target newer players. how are 6 year old sets targeting older players ?
Because if you started with Origin, you eliminate 11 sets from the format. What you have left is a pretty shallow pool of available cards.
I would like it as a new extended. Modern is now a "new legacy" but every legal card can be reprinted. This is just a Modern without lots of cards that defined it, it is like a "hey lets do a modern format without the "good cards" from modern"... It is not that it is bad but id hope that the format had more changes than just be a new modern. How about rotation- like a big extended (lots of years), it would be nice to have a 8 years worth of cards format that rotated, this way wizards would always have a "flesh" format to show off as a new modern. Non rotation will only make new staples be discovered and soon after 3-4 years the format be almost like modern is today.
If it was new Legacy without reserve list, it would go back to Masques. I do agree this is trying to kill reserve list cards for good. They don't like Legacy. If Legacy goes, I go. I've been playing this game too long to watch them abandon the past.
This is a cash grab format. It allows them to have a modern that they don't have to worry about reprints tanking value. If you notice, the kick off point is the first set that started the era of huge print runs. Now they can reprint like crazy and keep the modern "money" stuff for Masters sets and charge $15 a pack for it. No more fetch lands in $3 packs. They won't worry about needing to reprint anything in standard that will piss off Modern players. They can just crank the stuff out. They will generate the big bucks from stupid stuff like Collectors Packs with 42 different borders and styles instead of anything of actual value from a play standpoint.
Everything you are saying applies to Modern when it came out.
I am personally looking forward to this format. I am already trying to brew.
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I want to like the idea of this new format, but I think it is going to have to much of a modern feel to it (fast) with empty holes. I personally would have been excited to play a new format if they would have started the card pool from Kaladesh onward. I see Kaladesh as the beginning of a new era in magic. I think there could have been a lot of good to come out of a potentially slower clock and maybe a turn 5 format. Now, I could just be biased since I am vested in modern so much. I hope this new format helps LGS's and doesn't hurt them more than WTC already has in the last year or so.
Not sure I agree w that. The question around Modern when it first came out was "Is it Small Legacy or Big Standard?" At this point, it is certainly Small Legacy. Hopefully this new format is Big Standard. The New World Order framework will certainly inform that. I think we were seeing that at RTR.
Fair enough, I am just hopeful RTR onward is enough to define a format that sets itself apart with benefits that crossover less into modern. I am looking forward to seeing how this unfolds.
I want to like the idea of this new format, but I think it is going to have to much of a modern feel to it (fast) with empty holes. I personally would have been excited to play a new format if they would have started the card pool from Kaladesh onward. I see Kaladesh as the beginning of a new era in magic. I think there could have been a lot of good to come out of a potentially slower clock and maybe a turn 5 format. Now, I could just be biased since I am vested in modern so much. I hope this new format helps LGS's and doesn't hurt them more than WTC already has in the last year or so.
Kaladesh forward would just be Kaladesh and some other cards.
Fair enough, I am just hopeful RTR onward is enough to define a format that sets itself apart with benefits that crossover less into modern. I am looking forward to seeing how this unfolds.
Me too. No Fetches are real. Formats are defined by their manabases (Pretty sure So Many Insane Plays said that.) There are enough Modern defining cards that just aren't here. There's no way it can be the same. No Banned List (aside from the Fetches) will keep this fun for a bit at any rate.
Who's ready for dork > 3-feri to ruin this out of the gate...
I think while everyone is trying to be cute there are going to be a non-zero amount of people getting curbed by elves players curving dork, into steel leaf champion into Coco all over people. I'm not even sure if shaman of the pack is worth the effort?
Black has some very powerful one drops at it's disposal in a format that is pretty slow. thoughtseize, push, deathrite... I expect black to be a major cornerstone of the format. Also, leyline of the void is probably going to be the best GY removal tool, which means Gary could be showing up to too.
Who's ready for dork > 3-feri to ruin this out of the gate...
I think while everyone is trying to be cute there are going to be a non-zero amount of people getting curbed by elves players curving dork, into steel leaf champion into Coco all over people. I'm not even sure if shaman of the pack is worth the effort?
Black has some very powerful one drops at it's disposal in a format that is pretty slow. thoughtseize, push, deathrite... I expect black to be a major cornerstone of the format. Also, leyline of the void is probably going to be the best GY removal tool, which means Gary could be showing up to too.
Fatal Push is going to take a major hit to its playability without fetchlands. It's still a great card, but that represents a precipitous drop in the ability of many decks to enable revolt.
3-color (and up) decks are also going to take a big hit in this format compared to modern. Without the shock+fetch fixing combo, Mana Confluence and Aether Hub might well be the only lands in the format that enter untapped and produce more than two colors without being a filter or having a restriction on how the mana is spent. Noble Hierarch and Birds of Paradise are gone, so the format's playable multicolor mana dorks will fall to Sylvan Caryatid and maybe Gilded Goose or Servant of the Conduit.
Well the format will have oficial suport and will be fun to play and brew for a while until the meta is solved, after that it is just another non rotating format with its tier decks, and it is fine. The first 2-3 years this format will be really good.
If we had rotation but a large pool of cards (like a big extended) brewing in the formart would be constant and staples from standard would always be a potential staple of the format even if in the first 1-2 years it saw no play.
I understand that the non rotation aspect is more to alow mtg arena staff to not be overburden of adding cards to the game (pioneer is modern without +- 8 years worth of sets) but as soon as the meta is solved we have to ask "why play this over modern?" and the price tag will probably be very diferent than most of the tier decks of modern.
Lets hope that most of the LGS can profit from this new format.
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I was playing the first announced modern, was it well received initially or did everyone thinks it wasn't going to work?
I don't think so because unlike Frontier this is from Wizards itself not some random fans, there's already 4 GP's scheduled next year for Pioneer (same number for modern) and the very first Pro Tour is Pioneer also. This has legs.
Frontier never was official. A game shop in Japan came up with it and it kinda spread a bit, but it never got any official standing. Pioneer is kinda needed, for there are literally more cards in Modern than not, and it's getting way too expensive.
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Aetherworks, Copy Cat, Jeskai ascendancy are the former standard ones that come to mind
but... being able to get a deeper card pool should find a bunch more new combos
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
I call this a more fair version of modern we might have several spikes because of this format (if successful)
Oh and if enemy fetches get reprinted in standard guys don’t you dare get your hopes up I’m wagering a emergency ban in pioneer when that happens (which it won’t)
It’s not like the mystery booster thing helps this, (I know it won’t so don’t say it)
You are guaranteed to lose more people with a rotation than not. Rotations are simply that unpopular.
would have been a much better marketing thing, especially since they said they wanna target newer players. how are 6 year old sets targeting older players ?
If it was new Legacy without reserve list, it would go back to Masques. I do agree this is trying to kill reserve list cards for good. They don't like Legacy. If Legacy goes, I go. I've been playing this game too long to watch them abandon the past.
This is a cash grab format. It allows them to have a modern that they don't have to worry about reprints tanking value. If you notice, the kick off point is the first set that started the era of huge print runs. Now they can reprint like crazy and keep the modern "money" stuff for Masters sets and charge $15 a pack for it. No more fetch lands in $3 packs. They won't worry about needing to reprint anything in standard that will piss off Modern players. They can just crank the stuff out. They will generate the big bucks from stupid stuff like Collectors Packs with 42 different borders and styles instead of anything of actual value from a play standpoint.
Currently Playing:
Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me!
Legacy:
RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R
RGBelcherRG
WSoldier StompyW
BReanimatorB
EDH:
BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB
BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
Because if you started with Origin, you eliminate 11 sets from the format. What you have left is a pretty shallow pool of available cards.
Everything you are saying applies to Modern when it came out.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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There's always Triskadeckaphobia!
Kaladesh forward would just be Kaladesh and some other cards.
Me too. No Fetches are real. Formats are defined by their manabases (Pretty sure So Many Insane Plays said that.) There are enough Modern defining cards that just aren't here. There's no way it can be the same. No Banned List (aside from the Fetches) will keep this fun for a bit at any rate.
I think while everyone is trying to be cute there are going to be a non-zero amount of people getting curbed by elves players curving dork, into steel leaf champion into Coco all over people. I'm not even sure if shaman of the pack is worth the effort?
Black has some very powerful one drops at it's disposal in a format that is pretty slow. thoughtseize, push, deathrite... I expect black to be a major cornerstone of the format. Also, leyline of the void is probably going to be the best GY removal tool, which means Gary could be showing up to too.
Blue delve spells are going to be redic alongside cards like stitcher's supplier and satyr wayfinder.
White seems pretty weak at first glance.
Fatal Push is going to take a major hit to its playability without fetchlands. It's still a great card, but that represents a precipitous drop in the ability of many decks to enable revolt.
3-color (and up) decks are also going to take a big hit in this format compared to modern. Without the shock+fetch fixing combo, Mana Confluence and Aether Hub might well be the only lands in the format that enter untapped and produce more than two colors without being a filter or having a restriction on how the mana is spent. Noble Hierarch and Birds of Paradise are gone, so the format's playable multicolor mana dorks will fall to Sylvan Caryatid and maybe Gilded Goose or Servant of the Conduit.
If we had rotation but a large pool of cards (like a big extended) brewing in the formart would be constant and staples from standard would always be a potential staple of the format even if in the first 1-2 years it saw no play.
I understand that the non rotation aspect is more to alow mtg arena staff to not be overburden of adding cards to the game (pioneer is modern without +- 8 years worth of sets) but as soon as the meta is solved we have to ask "why play this over modern?" and the price tag will probably be very diferent than most of the tier decks of modern.
Lets hope that most of the LGS can profit from this new format.