There’s like only three cards here that I could want. Unless there’s foils in this set, or there’s new artwork and/or flavor text on them, then I can happily ignore this too.
I read the article hoping by some slim hope that maybe Maro was mistaken when he messaged to say that the test cards would be convention edition exclusive. The article sadly confirmed it.
But...
In reading the article, I discovered something really juicy. What will replace the test print cards in WPN stores will be a foil from a SEPERATE sheet of 121 cards that will ONLY be available in foil.
What's more is that these packs will defy normal pack logic. There will be 15 slots in the pack (one being the foil exclusive slot) but EACH SLOT will draw from ITS OWN POOL OF CARDS. That's right. Rather than a random draw of 1 rare/mythic and so on so forth, these packs will truly be CHAOS DRAFT.
My memory is fuzzy on whether it indicated that that meant that you could theoretically crack a pack of "all rares" or if the set list released backs up the spread of rarities appropriately.
Anyways, these are my insights.
TL;DR
Each pack slot has its own card pool.
The foil slot will be from 121 FOIL ONLY cards
These packs (I believe) will break the normal pack breakdown conventions (1R/M, 3U, 10/11C)
10 slots are 2-per-monocolor cards that are ‘uncommons’ or ‘commons’ (obv equally represented in this set, But cards that were uncommon or common in the set they’re being reprinted-from). Each slot is a unique print sheet, so you’ll get one card from White Sheet 1, one card from White Sheet 2, one from Blue Sheet 1, and so on.
One sheet is just like above but for multicolored cards, and one sheet is just like above but for artifacts-or-lands.
One slot is rares-and-mythics-from-M15-and-later, of any color(s) or lack thereof. Again the difference between rare and mythic here is purely ornamental, as each card is actually equally mythic (1 in 121) whether its set symbol is gold or red.
One slot is specifically cards pre-M15. These could be cards showing any rarity, but I expect these will be basically another ‘notable cards’ slot, where when it isn’t an actual rare it’s a ‘good’ common or uncommon from long ago (demonic tutor, lotus petal, Rhystic study, etc). The non-noteworthy old sub-rares would have been on the first 12 sheets.
And the last slot at retail is the foil that we don’t know anything about yet but I expect it to also be aimed at being a ‘good card’ (either some value or draft utility).
I expect most of the value, and most of the draft bombs, to be in those last three slots. The first 12 slots will likely be draft deck decents but constructed collection bulk.
10 slots are 2-per-monocolor cards that are ‘uncommons’ or ‘commons’ (obv equally represented in this set, But cards that were uncommon or common in the set they’re being reprinted-from). Each slot is a unique print sheet, so you’ll get one card from White Sheet 1, one card from White Sheet 2, one from Blue Sheet 1, and so on.
One sheet is just like above but for multicolored cards, and one sheet is just like above but for artifacts-or-lands.
One slot is rares-and-mythics-from-M15-and-later, of any color(s) or lack thereof. Again the difference between rare and mythic here is purely ornamental, as each card is actually equally mythic (1 in 121) whether its set symbol is gold or red.
One slot is specifically cards pre-M15. These could be cards showing any rarity, but I expect these will be basically another ‘notable cards’ slot, where when it isn’t an actual rare it’s a ‘good’ common or uncommon from long ago (demonic tutor, lotus petal, Rhystic study, etc). The non-noteworthy old sub-rares would have been on the first 12 sheets.
And the last slot at retail is the foil that we don’t know anything about yet but I expect it to also be aimed at being a ‘good card’ (either some value or draft utility).
I expect most of the value, and most of the draft bombs, to be in those last three slots. The first 12 slots will likely be draft deck decents but constructed collection bulk.
Got a source for this? I've seen some hints here and there but nothing concrete from WotC yet.
10 slots are 2-per-monocolor cards that are ‘uncommons’ or ‘commons’ (obv equally represented in this set, But cards that were uncommon or common in the set they’re being reprinted-from). Each slot is a unique print sheet, so you’ll get one card from White Sheet 1, one card from White Sheet 2, one from Blue Sheet 1, and so on.
One sheet is just like above but for multicolored cards, and one sheet is just like above but for artifacts-or-lands.
One slot is rares-and-mythics-from-M15-and-later, of any color(s) or lack thereof. Again the difference between rare and mythic here is purely ornamental, as each card is actually equally mythic (1 in 121) whether its set symbol is gold or red.
One slot is specifically cards pre-M15. These could be cards showing any rarity, but I expect these will be basically another ‘notable cards’ slot, where when it isn’t an actual rare it’s a ‘good’ common or uncommon from long ago (demonic tutor, lotus petal, Rhystic study, etc). The non-noteworthy old sub-rares would have been on the first 12 sheets.
And the last slot at retail is the foil that we don’t know anything about yet but I expect it to also be aimed at being a ‘good card’ (either some value or draft utility).
I expect most of the value, and most of the draft bombs, to be in those last three slots. The first 12 slots will likely be draft deck decents but constructed collection bulk.
Got a source for this? I've seen some hints here and there but nothing concrete from WotC yet.
(Bottom of the article, under Mystery Recap, they cover in wonderful detail each slot in the car pack. It's really impressive, in my opinion. Going to be an expensive booster, is my biggest concern - which will be counter to trying to draft it, I worry.)
10 slots are 2-per-monocolor cards that are ‘uncommons’ or ‘commons’ (obv equally represented in this set, But cards that were uncommon or common in the set they’re being reprinted-from). Each slot is a unique print sheet, so you’ll get one card from White Sheet 1, one card from White Sheet 2, one from Blue Sheet 1, and so on.
One sheet is just like above but for multicolored cards, and one sheet is just like above but for artifacts-or-lands.
One slot is rares-and-mythics-from-M15-and-later, of any color(s) or lack thereof. Again the difference between rare and mythic here is purely ornamental, as each card is actually equally mythic (1 in 121) whether its set symbol is gold or red.
One slot is specifically cards pre-M15. These could be cards showing any rarity, but I expect these will be basically another ‘notable cards’ slot, where when it isn’t an actual rare it’s a ‘good’ common or uncommon from long ago (demonic tutor, lotus petal, Rhystic study, etc). The non-noteworthy old sub-rares would have been on the first 12 sheets.
And the last slot at retail is the foil that we don’t know anything about yet but I expect it to also be aimed at being a ‘good card’ (either some value or draft utility).
I expect most of the value, and most of the draft bombs, to be in those last three slots. The first 12 slots will likely be draft deck decents but constructed collection bulk.
Got a source for this? I've seen some hints here and there but nothing concrete from WotC yet.
(Bottom of the article, under Mystery Recap, they cover in wonderful detail each slot in the car pack. It's really impressive, in my opinion. Going to be an expensive booster, is my biggest concern - which will be counter to trying to draft it, I worry.)
The price of packs like this is why I prefer just getting singles
Atleast plenty of card prices due to scarcity will drop immensely (crucible was mythic in M19 lost 2/3 of the price)
Atleast plenty of card prices due to scarcity will drop immensely (crucible was mythic in M19 lost 2/3 of the price)
Core sets are massively printed and the boosters low-priced. This set will probably have a print run not terribly different from a Masters set, and prices similarly premium. I would expect the net effect on the pricing of most reprinted cards to be ... comparable to the effect of Masters set reprints. Which tends to be modest and oftentimes temporary.
The only real place I could see a price impact is that foil slot. There will be 121 cards that will now have a foil instance in circulation that is just as frequent in this set as any nonfoil mythic is in a 'normal' set. For cards that had a high-demand foil premium multiplier, this will represent a substantial boost in circulation of that card at the foil level.
Any specific large-set mythic at foil is ordinarily, what, one per ~3000 packs? Any one reprinted here is 1 in 121 packs. Even if this is printed WAAAAAY less than a standard set, that's an enormous increase in foil circulation.
Atleast plenty of card prices due to scarcity will drop immensely (crucible was mythic in M19 lost 2/3 of the price)
Core sets are massively printed and the boosters low-priced. This set will probably have a print run not terribly different from a Masters set, and prices similarly premium. I would expect the net effect on the pricing of most reprinted cards to be ... comparable to the effect of Masters set reprints. Which tends to be modest and oftentimes temporary.
The only real place I could see a price impact is that foil slot. There will be 121 cards that will now have a foil instance in circulation that is just as frequent in this set as any nonfoil mythic is in a 'normal' set. For cards that had a high-demand foil premium multiplier, this will represent a substantial boost in circulation of that card at the foil level.
Any specific large-set mythic at foil is ordinarily, what, one per ~3000 packs? Any one reprinted here is 1 in 121 packs. Even if this is printed WAAAAAY less than a standard set, that's an enormous increase in foil circulation.
Ok yea that was a bad example
burgeoning is a better one 30$ and crashed all the way 10$ but that’s probably not the best choice either with take the crown and C16
But the point is cards There’s a chance the scarcity cards that don’t see much play outside commander should drop a little bit despite how many cards are in this reprint set
Further info: Mark said a couple times on blogatog that the foil pool is "cards people play". Take that as you will. I have hopes for what that includes, but we'll see.
Also, Alliance has these at $72 a box, which would put normal MSRP at $144. I know various online places will have them cheaper, but most LGS should have the boosters at $6 a pack. For what's in these, even without knowing the foil pool, that's a pretty good price.
By the way, according to at least one article, the cards in the C/U slots are included at their original rarity. So Demonic Tutor is in that pool for black C/U, for instance.
By the way, according to at least one article, the cards in the C/U slots are included at their original rarity. So Demonic Tutor is in that pool for black C/U, for instance.
While it’s true that the cards in the 12 C/U slots are showing the rarity symbol of the set they’re reprinted of... this doesn’t necessarily mean Demonic Tutor is one of the 242 on the two dedicated black sheets. There’s also the dedicated pre-m15 sheet that will have cards of all rarities - that’s the sheet I expect notable old sub-rares like DT and Lotus Petal and Rhystic Study to appear.
(Edit) oh, I just reread the article. It does specify Demonic Tutor is on a Black C/U sheet (but lotus petal isn’t on the artifact c/u sheet, it’s on the pre-m15 sheet)
So if I'm reading this correctly, the ONLY cards that will ever appear in foil in the "non-convention" Mystery Boosters are a selection of 121 cards? In other words, most likely the most expensive thing your can pull in these packs is a non-foil Mana Crypt?
I ask because it's been my dream to add a foil Mana Crypt to my cube, but not if I have to pay out the ass for it.
So if I'm reading this correctly, the ONLY cards that will ever appear in foil in the "non-convention" Mystery Boosters are a selection of 121 cards? In other words, most likely the most expensive thing your can pull in these packs is a non-foil Mana Crypt?
I ask because it's been my dream to add a foil Mana Crypt to my cube, but not if I have to pay out the ass for it.
That's right, so far. I'm hoping some of the foil 121 might include things that have never been in foil before, though.
A old frame foil in every pack is pushing the estimated value a bit.
Can be a common/uncommon/rare anything (most art worthless still, but can be extra value, and as the set is crazy huge, it wont really tank the value of these pulls if they are somewhat expensive).
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And this is LGS exclusive, so great.
Still big online sellers still offer hundreds and thousands of the displays ... which kinda defeats the entire LGS exclusive idea ice cold ...
It's retailer exclusive, not LGS exclusive. They can't really do an LGS exclusive thing that avoids online resellers since they also have physical storefronts. At least not without barring online sales, which is another load of trouble.
About 103-115 dollars so a price for a pack that’s about 4.30-4.80$ so about 5 dollars a pack and that’s coincidently the price of regular old standard set packs
So approximately 46% of the rares/mythics will pay for a booster so almost coin flip odds
And I’m sure some of you know I just heard about this...unlimited print run
And you can forget about Walmart/target getting these
And my source for all this is none other than Tolarian community college he even gave mystery booster a “A+” product
Oh yea let’s not forget to mention the fact that quite a bit of these are likely to show up in commander legends reprint list
These gotta have some sort of labeling to tell you a foil Harmonic Sliver from these Mystery Packs are distinct from the original print of foil Harmonic Slivers, right? I mean, a part from the foiling process.....
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https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/189038730658/the-store-version-of-mystery-booster-is-it-all
It’s 100% reprints so what ever the original rarity is it will be I. That slot
So will it be multiple rares in a pack we don’t know
I read the article hoping by some slim hope that maybe Maro was mistaken when he messaged to say that the test cards would be convention edition exclusive. The article sadly confirmed it.
But...
In reading the article, I discovered something really juicy. What will replace the test print cards in WPN stores will be a foil from a SEPERATE sheet of 121 cards that will ONLY be available in foil.
What's more is that these packs will defy normal pack logic. There will be 15 slots in the pack (one being the foil exclusive slot) but EACH SLOT will draw from ITS OWN POOL OF CARDS. That's right. Rather than a random draw of 1 rare/mythic and so on so forth, these packs will truly be CHAOS DRAFT.
My memory is fuzzy on whether it indicated that that meant that you could theoretically crack a pack of "all rares" or if the set list released backs up the spread of rarities appropriately.
Anyways, these are my insights.
TL;DR
Each pack slot has its own card pool.
The foil slot will be from 121 FOIL ONLY cards
These packs (I believe) will break the normal pack breakdown conventions (1R/M, 3U, 10/11C)
10 slots are 2-per-monocolor cards that are ‘uncommons’ or ‘commons’ (obv equally represented in this set, But cards that were uncommon or common in the set they’re being reprinted-from). Each slot is a unique print sheet, so you’ll get one card from White Sheet 1, one card from White Sheet 2, one from Blue Sheet 1, and so on.
One sheet is just like above but for multicolored cards, and one sheet is just like above but for artifacts-or-lands.
One slot is rares-and-mythics-from-M15-and-later, of any color(s) or lack thereof. Again the difference between rare and mythic here is purely ornamental, as each card is actually equally mythic (1 in 121) whether its set symbol is gold or red.
One slot is specifically cards pre-M15. These could be cards showing any rarity, but I expect these will be basically another ‘notable cards’ slot, where when it isn’t an actual rare it’s a ‘good’ common or uncommon from long ago (demonic tutor, lotus petal, Rhystic study, etc). The non-noteworthy old sub-rares would have been on the first 12 sheets.
And the last slot at retail is the foil that we don’t know anything about yet but I expect it to also be aimed at being a ‘good card’ (either some value or draft utility).
I expect most of the value, and most of the draft bombs, to be in those last three slots. The first 12 slots will likely be draft deck decents but constructed collection bulk.
I like how they're making split cards from existing cards (Start // Fire) and the one with Liberate. That's pretty cool.
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Got a source for this? I've seen some hints here and there but nothing concrete from WotC yet.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/unraveling-mystery-booster-2019-11-14
(Bottom of the article, under Mystery Recap, they cover in wonderful detail each slot in the car pack. It's really impressive, in my opinion. Going to be an expensive booster, is my biggest concern - which will be counter to trying to draft it, I worry.)
The price of packs like this is why I prefer just getting singles
Atleast plenty of card prices due to scarcity will drop immensely (crucible was mythic in M19 lost 2/3 of the price)
Core sets are massively printed and the boosters low-priced. This set will probably have a print run not terribly different from a Masters set, and prices similarly premium. I would expect the net effect on the pricing of most reprinted cards to be ... comparable to the effect of Masters set reprints. Which tends to be modest and oftentimes temporary.
The only real place I could see a price impact is that foil slot. There will be 121 cards that will now have a foil instance in circulation that is just as frequent in this set as any nonfoil mythic is in a 'normal' set. For cards that had a high-demand foil premium multiplier, this will represent a substantial boost in circulation of that card at the foil level.
Any specific large-set mythic at foil is ordinarily, what, one per ~3000 packs? Any one reprinted here is 1 in 121 packs. Even if this is printed WAAAAAY less than a standard set, that's an enormous increase in foil circulation.
Ok yea that was a bad example
burgeoning is a better one 30$ and crashed all the way 10$ but that’s probably not the best choice either with take the crown and C16
But the point is cards There’s a chance the scarcity cards that don’t see much play outside commander should drop a little bit despite how many cards are in this reprint set
Maybe it’s the set’s mythics?
It's probably commander chaff with 1-2 money cards thrown in for cash grabbing.
Also, Alliance has these at $72 a box, which would put normal MSRP at $144. I know various online places will have them cheaper, but most LGS should have the boosters at $6 a pack. For what's in these, even without knowing the foil pool, that's a pretty good price.
By the way, according to at least one article, the cards in the C/U slots are included at their original rarity. So Demonic Tutor is in that pool for black C/U, for instance.
While it’s true that the cards in the 12 C/U slots are showing the rarity symbol of the set they’re reprinted of... this doesn’t necessarily mean Demonic Tutor is one of the 242 on the two dedicated black sheets. There’s also the dedicated pre-m15 sheet that will have cards of all rarities - that’s the sheet I expect notable old sub-rares like DT and Lotus Petal and Rhystic Study to appear.
(Edit) oh, I just reread the article. It does specify Demonic Tutor is on a Black C/U sheet (but lotus petal isn’t on the artifact c/u sheet, it’s on the pre-m15 sheet)
I ask because it's been my dream to add a foil Mana Crypt to my cube, but not if I have to pay out the ass for it.
That's right, so far. I'm hoping some of the foil 121 might include things that have never been in foil before, though.
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EU sells a bunch for ~90€ , shipping included (~6€).
To make it worth your while you really need to hit some big rares, otherwise its full of crap cards.
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Can be a common/uncommon/rare anything (most art worthless still, but can be extra value, and as the set is crazy huge, it wont really tank the value of these pulls if they are somewhat expensive).
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And this is LGS exclusive, so great.
Still big online sellers still offer hundreds and thousands of the displays ... which kinda defeats the entire LGS exclusive idea ice cold ...
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About 103-115 dollars so a price for a pack that’s about 4.30-4.80$ so about 5 dollars a pack and that’s coincidently the price of regular old standard set packs
So approximately 46% of the rares/mythics will pay for a booster so almost coin flip odds
And I’m sure some of you know I just heard about this...unlimited print run
And you can forget about Walmart/target getting these
And my source for all this is none other than Tolarian community college he even gave mystery booster a “A+” product
Oh yea let’s not forget to mention the fact that quite a bit of these are likely to show up in commander legends reprint list