2UU
Instant
Split second
Exchange control of target noncreature spell and target creature. Then that spell's controller May choose new targets for the copy.
IMHO better translation is this: Exchange control of target noncreature spell and target creature. Then that spell's controller may choose new targets for the spell.
I’m struggling to understand what this does, is the translation incomplete or am I just not smart enough?
Say they cast an Ancestral Vision, target themselves. You get their Ancestral Vision and give them some junk Myr token that's on the battlefield. Note you don't need a creature, it's just any creature out there.
Fun, but super mean, card.
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I’m struggling to understand what this does, is the translation incomplete or am I just not smart enough?
Say they cast an Ancestral Vision, target themselves. You get their Ancestral Vision and give them some junk Myr token that's on the battlefield. Note you don't need a creature, it's just any creature out there.
Fun, but super mean, card.
It's an exchange, so the player whose creature was selected will get control of the spell.
I’m struggling to understand what this does, is the translation incomplete or am I just not smart enough?
Say they cast an Ancestral Vision, target themselves. You get their Ancestral Vision and give them some junk Myr token that's on the battlefield. Note you don't need a creature, it's just any creature out there.
Fun, but super mean, card.
It's an exchange, so the player whose creature was selected will get control of the spell.
They play some huge spell, you give them a piddly creature and get their huge spell.
You play some piddly spell, and steal their big important creature.
As mentioned above, you give them some spell which makes them lose the game shortly thereafter.
Politics: In multiplayer, give player A who just cast a lethal spell on player B one of player B's creatures, and B then gets the lethal spell and will live and be your friend.
Say someone casts a spell, in response I cast Counterspell and hold priority and cast Sudden Exchange. I exchange control of the counterspell and some sweet creature an opponent has. When that opponent retargets the counterspell can it target itself or does it have to target something else?
I’m struggling to understand what this does, is the translation incomplete or am I just not smart enough?
Say they cast an Ancestral Vision, target themselves. You get their Ancestral Vision and give them some junk Myr token that's on the battlefield. Note you don't need a creature, it's just any creature out there.
Fun, but super mean, card.
It's an exchange, so the player whose creature was selected will get control of the spell.
OH yeah, you guys are right! Man, this card is soooooooooo politicky, I love it!
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Currently focusing on Pre-Modern (Mono-Black Discard Control) and Modern (Azorious Control, Temur Rhinos).
Find me at the Wizard's Tower in Ottawa every second Saturday afternoons.
Say someone casts a spell, in response I cast Counterspell and hold priority and cast Sudden Exchange. I exchange control of the counterspell and some sweet creature an opponent has. When that opponent retargets the counterspell can it target itself or does it have to target something else?
I think it has to target something else. I just looked this up, actually, and checked the rulings for Deflection, and it states:
"10/4/2004 You can’t make a spell which is on the stack target itself."
A couple of things. They don't have to change the target of the counterspell so they can just leave it as is. This might be their own spell so it might not be ideal for them.
However, just like Narset's Reversal creating a copy of counterspell, they can simply change the target to the resolving Split Second spell (or the Reversal in that example). The counterspell won't resolve in that case, but it can still be changed to that target.
If someone plays Merciless Eviction then can i change the target from exile all creatures to exile all artifacts?
You should generally create a new thread for new rules questions.
As to your question, Merciless Eviction has no targets so there is nothing to change. What you are thinking of is the chosen *mode* which Sudden Substitution does not let you change. You can take control of the spell but nothing significant will change about what happens when the Eviction resolves.
Just a FYI for everyone in this thread if this card does indeed have Split Second this card is uncounterable and unrespondable to by normal means, meaning you do NOT have to worry about them stopping this card in relation to any combo (i.e. counter spell) that opponents have. You DO have to worry about them countering anything else on top of said card in response to your own casting of a spell. Split Second spells mean they are the end of the stack unless you have another Split Second spell to respond to it with (i.e. split second counterspell).
So the simple explanation is you can steal their spells with impunity and will fully resolve as long as you have the creature, but the flipside of giving them a detrimental spell gets more complicated especially since you have to pay for both and they can counter the first if you give up priority.
For the big details im gonna let the gatherer and Judges finagle out the rules on this
2UU
Instant
Split second
Exchange control of target noncreature spell and target creature. Then that spell's controller May choose new targets for the copy.
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Ahaha, so mean
Say they cast an Ancestral Vision, target themselves. You get their Ancestral Vision and give them some junk Myr token that's on the battlefield. Note you don't need a creature, it's just any creature out there.
Fun, but super mean, card.
Currently focusing on Pre-Modern (Mono-Black Discard Control) and Modern (Azorious Control, Temur Rhinos).
Find me at the Wizard's Tower in Ottawa every second Saturday afternoons.
It's an exchange, so the player whose creature was selected will get control of the spell.
I was just gonna ask about this
This is gonna be fun
Ruin a cyclonic rift effect
But I already got the most evil ones with this
They play some huge spell, you give them a piddly creature and get their huge spell.
You play some piddly spell, and steal their big important creature.
As mentioned above, you give them some spell which makes them lose the game shortly thereafter.
Politics: In multiplayer, give player A who just cast a lethal spell on player B one of player B's creatures, and B then gets the lethal spell and will live and be your friend.
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Say someone casts a spell, in response I cast Counterspell and hold priority and cast Sudden Exchange. I exchange control of the counterspell and some sweet creature an opponent has. When that opponent retargets the counterspell can it target itself or does it have to target something else?
"10/4/2004 You can’t make a spell which is on the stack target itself."
OH yeah, you guys are right! Man, this card is soooooooooo politicky, I love it!
Currently focusing on Pre-Modern (Mono-Black Discard Control) and Modern (Azorious Control, Temur Rhinos).
Find me at the Wizard's Tower in Ottawa every second Saturday afternoons.
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However, just like Narset's Reversal creating a copy of counterspell, they can simply change the target to the resolving Split Second spell (or the Reversal in that example). The counterspell won't resolve in that case, but it can still be changed to that target.
As to your question, Merciless Eviction has no targets so there is nothing to change. What you are thinking of is the chosen *mode* which Sudden Substitution does not let you change. You can take control of the spell but nothing significant will change about what happens when the Eviction resolves.
So the simple explanation is you can steal their spells with impunity and will fully resolve as long as you have the creature, but the flipside of giving them a detrimental spell gets more complicated especially since you have to pay for both and they can counter the first if you give up priority.
For the big details im gonna let the gatherer and Judges finagle out the rules on this