MTG Salvation

Oh wow. This can do some fun things. My group hug deck only plays a couple of wheels but I think it still wants to at least try this.

Yup, that's crossing the streams, all right.

Then again, I picked up on that when I realized that the flavor text on the dragon-related cards in red are the last words of a traditional adventuring party. Seriously, go check.

As far as the card itself, any EDH deck that runs a ton of Windfall effects will get a ton of mileage from this bad boy.

Well this with the rare minotaur pirate looks fun

I can't decide of my EDH deck REALLY wants this or doesn't care, not much in the middle

For only one mana? Why that sounds lovely.

Definitely seems very powerful for Commander, especially in mono-Red. It's very easy to turn this into a powerful Red card advantage engine with cards like Daretti, Scrap Savant, Reforge the Soul, Fateful Showdown, Faithless Looting, Gamble, Jaya Ballard and so on. It preventing opponent's discards and being able to loot itself is also fantastic.

As for Standard... well I doubt it, but maybe? It's cheap enough to stop Thought Erasure, but sadly it also gets reseted via Teferi, Time Raveler. Still want to brew some spicy jank with Heartwarming Redemption tho.

Hmmm...

This card may actually be cheap enough for consideration as a card draw engine in Mono-White EDH decks... After the traditional trio of Clamp/Top/Rack, this looks like the next cheapest reusable card draw engine that can come online as of turn 2.

How does it work with Madness? Since Madness forces you to discard into exile, it still works... Right?

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How does it work with Madness? Since Madness forces you to discard into exile, it still works... Right?

Since a card with Madness goes into exile when discarded, this won't interact with them at all. Even if you don't cast it, since the card went to exile first, it would lose track of it.

This is because it exiles as a trigger, not as a replacement.

No “If a card named Bag of Holding is exiled this way, you lose the game”?

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No “If a card named Bag of Holding is exiled this way, you lose the game”?

Nah, since players are supposed to be somewhat of an analogs of planeswalkers I don’t think accidentally opening up a portal to a random plane would be that hard to recover from. However I do agree that discarding another bag of holding should maybe have the effect of destroying the bag.

Jokes about D&D rules aside, I wonder if this might see some play in decks that are particularly vulnerable to targeted discard. Sure players can’t get their cards back until they get to 4 mana, but it’s a 1 mana investment that forces the opponent to find an answer if they don’t want all the cards they just stole out of your hand to come back later.

This also could be interesting in decks that use Lion’s Eye Diamond. Sure, LED doesn’t provide enough mana to activate and get your hand back, but 2 LEDs does allow you to do this.

I bet there’s also a way to break this using balance.

unique design. need to get one of these

Hey guys just a question regarding this: If the Bag of Holding is returned to my hand and I play it again, can I still crack it right away and get back the cards it exiled the first time it was on the battlefield?

I am fairly certain you can't, as the new bag of holding is seen as a different entity than the one you had on the field previously, so it would not consider the exiled cards to be exiled by itself. Someone will probably drop by with all the proper rule references though.

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I am fairly certain you can't, as the new bag of holding is seen as a different entity than the one you had on the field previously, so it would not consider the exiled cards to be exiled by itself. Someone will probably drop by with all the proper rule references though.

that is also the feeling I had, I was debating putting this in instead of Library of Leng in my Nekusar EDH deck but my playgroup plays too much mass-bounce for it to be worth it if that's the case.

If other rulings for similar cards hold. (There were a couple of them, but card names elude me.) Cards exiled with bag of holding will be returned by another bag of holding since they were exiled by bag of holding. Don't think it's differentiated.

I think its the opposite, see Karn for an example of not needing continuous control. Other copies of Karn allow it due to silver counters, and if he was worded differently it would function like this.

Unless they changed the rules specifically for this card, no, a second Bag will not be able to get the cards back. It's like how a second Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver could not get creatures an earlier Ashiok exiled.

You can reanimate things in instand speed, since the trigger ability of exiling goes to stack while the card is in the grave. Could Grishoalbrand be interested as additional copies of Faithless Looting ?

So, I'm kind of confused by this card. How is "exiled with" defined? Is it anything exiled with the replacement effect, or only the activated ability?
That is, you have this out, you cast Tormenting Voice. You discard a card, and it gets exiled because of Bag. But it's not exiled WITH Bag. Right?

EDIT: It's a trigger, not a replacement ability, my bad (though I am still confused)

Now when do we get portable hole?

this card is really, really weird. lol.

love it.

this set has a lot of weird subthemes, this discard one is going to be a lot of fun with Glint-Horn Buccaneer and stuff with Retrace or something like Seismic Assault or Greater Good or maybe to do REALLY stupid stuff with Bazaar of Baghdad in vintage.

man,I'm hyped.

@Ubermegapwnzod , @trolonge

607.1. An object may have two abilities printed on it such that one of them causes actions to be taken or objects or players to be affected and the other one directly refers to those actions, objects, or players. If so, these two abilities are linked: the second refers only to actions that were taken or objects or players that were affected by the first, and not by any other ability.

607.2a If an object has an activated or triggered ability printed on it that instructs a player to exile one or more cards and an ability printed on it that refers either to “the exiled cards” or to cards “exiled with [this object],” these abilities are linked. The second ability refers only to cards in the exile zone that were put there as a result of an instruction to exile them in the first ability.

201.4. Text that refers to the object it’s on by name means just that particular object and not any other objects with that name, regardless of any name changes caused by game effects.

400.7. An object that moves from one zone to another becomes a new object with no memory of, or relation to, its previous existence. There are nine exceptions to this rule: (none of the exceptions apply, though they are 400.7a-i respectively for further reading)

Hope this clears your questions up.

Edit: 400.7i After resolving a madness triggered ability (see rule 702.34), if the exiled card wasn’t cast and was moved to a public zone, effects referencing the discarded card can find that object.

This seems to imply that cards discarded to madness that arent cast can still be found by Bag of Holding and exiled.

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I am fairly certain you can't, as the new bag of holding is seen as a different entity than the one you had on the field previously, so it would not consider the exiled cards to be exiled by itself. Someone will probably drop by with all the proper rule references though.

This is probably one of the more frustrating rules of magic, because it seems counter intuitive and frustrating when you want to make cards like this work.