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Not being able to be targeted by your opponent makes it better, even if it does enter tapped (which is easy to get around). I will be getting at least one, preferably four, but at least one so I have a copy for my Windgrace deck.
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Yeah, cards like this really test the definition of “strictly better”.
This card is better than Lotus Vale in a couple of very significant ways,
but entering tapped keeps it from being strictly better.
I still want several myself, I already used Lotus Vale in a couple of EDH decks,
and this will work better since LV almost always dies to Strip Mine rather than Armageddon.
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Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Can anyone explain why this is not one of the worst cards in this set?
Maybe it's because I'm a Standard player, but I can't think of a single deck that would ever want this. You can't play it on turn 1 or 2. If you play it on turn 3, you forfeit that turn.
If you're a 1- or 2-color deck, you don't need fixing like this. And if you're a many-colored deck, you'd much rather have the two dual-lands you just sacrificed than a land that can only produce one color of mana at a time.
Yeah, cards like this really test the definition of “strictly better”.
This card is better than Lotus Vale in a couple of very significant ways,
but entering tapped keeps it from being strictly better.
I still want several myself, I already used Lotus Vale in a couple of EDH decks,
and this will work better since LV almost always dies to Strip Mine rather than Armageddon.
I use Lotus Vale already in Windgrace, as well as Scorched Ruins, so... One more land to sacrifice stuff to would be great.
I just hope they reprint crucible in M20 or the fall set, so I can finally get one.
Can anyone explain why this is not one of the worst cards in this set?
Maybe it's because I'm a Standard player, but I can't think of a single deck that would ever want this. You can't play it on turn 1 or 2. If you play it on turn 3, you forfeit that turn.
If you're a 1- or 2-color deck, you don't need fixing like this. And if you're a many-colored deck, you'd much rather have the two dual-lands you just sacrificed than a land that can only produce one color of mana at a time.
What am I missing here?
That not every card is made for every format? This card is obviously for Commander. That said, the lands you sacrifice don't *have* to be untapped, so you only forfeit your turn if you don't cast anything beforehand. And even then, there are plenty of ways to get around the "enter's play tapped" restriction.
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It's about time for the reserved list to die, for the sake of Vintage and Legacy (And Commander).
Can anyone explain why this is not one of the worst cards in this set?
Maybe it's because I'm a Standard player, but I can't think of a single deck that would ever want this. You can't play it on turn 1 or 2. If you play it on turn 3, you forfeit that turn.
If you're a 1- or 2-color deck, you don't need fixing like this. And if you're a many-colored deck, you'd much rather have the two dual-lands you just sacrificed than a land that can only produce one color of mana at a time.
What am I missing here?
Why do you forfeit the turn if you play it on turn 3? You still get to use the 2 mana before you sac the other lands. Then on turn 4 you play kiora and untap the lotus, play another land which lets you play 7 mana of spells on turn 4. Or if you play another lotus that's 6 mana of spells on turn 4 and 10 mana on turn 5... A Krasis for 8 on turn 5 seems pretty good to me
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You know, it never ocurred to me until now that Blood Sun removes drawbacks from lands.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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So I don’t think this works but can you play a flagstones of trokair turn one and a lotus field on turn two and keep the lotus field?
I assume both sacs have to happen before the flagstone can tutor a land up though
Thanks in advance
So I don’t think this works but can you play a flagstones of trokair turn one and a lotus field on turn two and keep the lotus field?
I assume both sacs have to happen before the flagstone can tutor a land up though
Thanks in advance
Nope the flagstones trigger goes on the stack after lotus fields sac ability resolves.
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It’s not *strictly* better, but it’s damn close.
The original didn’t need Amulet of Vigor for fun.
Still glad I invested more into Scorched Ruins
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Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Not being able to be targeted by your opponent makes it better, even if it does enter tapped (which is easy to get around). I will be getting at least one, preferably four, but at least one so I have a copy for my Windgrace deck.
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This card is better than Lotus Vale in a couple of very significant ways,
but entering tapped keeps it from being strictly better.
I still want several myself, I already used Lotus Vale in a couple of EDH decks,
and this will work better since LV almost always dies to Strip Mine rather than Armageddon.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Fantastic card.
Also hexproof to ease fears of some jerk targeting it with Acidic Slime or something for value.
Maybe it's because I'm a Standard player, but I can't think of a single deck that would ever want this. You can't play it on turn 1 or 2. If you play it on turn 3, you forfeit that turn.
If you're a 1- or 2-color deck, you don't need fixing like this. And if you're a many-colored deck, you'd much rather have the two dual-lands you just sacrificed than a land that can only produce one color of mana at a time.
What am I missing here?
I use Lotus Vale already in Windgrace, as well as Scorched Ruins, so... One more land to sacrifice stuff to would be great.
I just hope they reprint crucible in M20 or the fall set, so I can finally get one.
That not every card is made for every format? This card is obviously for Commander. That said, the lands you sacrifice don't *have* to be untapped, so you only forfeit your turn if you don't cast anything beforehand. And even then, there are plenty of ways to get around the "enter's play tapped" restriction.
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Why do you forfeit the turn if you play it on turn 3? You still get to use the 2 mana before you sac the other lands. Then on turn 4 you play kiora and untap the lotus, play another land which lets you play 7 mana of spells on turn 4. Or if you play another lotus that's 6 mana of spells on turn 4 and 10 mana on turn 5... A Krasis for 8 on turn 5 seems pretty good to me
Thank you very much guys I’ve Ben waiting this
And yes I’m aware this enters tapped but this is still strictly better than the original
I hope they do the same thing for scorched ruins
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You know, it never ocurred to me until now that Blood Sun removes drawbacks from lands.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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I assume both sacs have to happen before the flagstone can tutor a land up though
Thanks in advance
Nope the flagstones trigger goes on the stack after lotus fields sac ability resolves.