Serra down, Urza down. Just one more to go. The biggest bad of them all. You know you want to do it Wizards.
Ugin had its time to shine - it's time for the REAL Ineffable to hit the scene.
Probably zero chance of this happening. We will get pre-Phyrexia version. "Yawgmoth, Lord of the Wastes" or "Yagmoth, Traitor to Thran" or "Yawgmoth, Father of Phthisis"
Same reason we're getting this version of Urza and not the one everyone knows can't see print due to power levels. (Same. exact. problem. w/Yawgmoth.)
This thing about the power level is bull*****, and was the same exact argument of when people said since forever that oldwalkers in general could never had a planeswalker card because that would never cover all the allmighty omnipowers an oldwalker got. Well guess what, we got Teferi. We got Freyalise. We got Nahiri (the equipment-matter one) which isn't even playable in competitive.
How is this possibile, you ask?
The answers is only one and is the same that answer why we got also so many multiple versions of the same PW : because a PW card NEVER cover ALL the mighty powers possibles of that PW, but only some aspects of it. Very tiny, specific aspects, depending of the contest we find that character in that historic moment. So, a Yawgmoth God, Urza post-spark, it's all possible for the simple fact that no matter what, their card will just cover a single aspect of said character and not everything.
Whelp... That's a nice pre-spark Urza.
Imagine paying 5 to hit an omniscience
At least it is fair as it shuffles your library before revealing the first card, so... Bye bye Sensei's Divining Top builds.
Now I need a new Selenia, a new Radiant and a new Gabriel. Come on, Wizards!
After 26 years urza hits black border at long last and I’m happy
And he’s power level is astronomical on this card this is the most perfect mythic feel card ever print
The only thing im upset about is he’s not atleast grixis because he definately has black and red knowing cards depicting him
Edit: it’s urza before he got the other 4 colors
I think Vorthos-wise, this is a great Urza (despite me being not being that well-acquainted with the pre-Alara storyline in general). I think it's a smart move to go for a pre-spark (or pre-peak) version of really powerful characters in order to prevent disappointment (looking at you, O-Kagachi...).
Definitely going to get at least one copy of him for my artifact-themed EDH deck.
Process
Step 1: Have Urza, his token, Engine, and Dynamo out
Step 2: Tap Dynamo for 3.
Step 3: Tap Engine for U.
Step 4: Tap Token for U.
Step 5: Activate Urza with 3UU sitting in your pool.
Step 6: Play free card (only one free land per turn if you didn't play one from hand)
Step 7: Untap all nonland permanents if you actually cast a spell.
Step 8: If the free card you cast was an artifact, you also now generate extra U mana per cast.
Well with Urza the previewed image of a white hair human inside a tree/phyrexian thing could be Mishra after the exoskeleton fused with hin I guess (like someone predicted)
Gee thanks Wizards of the Coast for spiking Breya, Etherium Shaper while I was in the middle of rebuilding the deck for EDH / Commander. First Mycosynth Lattice because of Karn, the Great Creator and now this bs. It's already bad enough that I'm unable to afford an Academy Ruins, now I have to spend $500+ on a EDH / Commander deck that really should've cost me $200 less to complete. It looks like this is going to cost me more than Shadowborn Athreos which was a bit of a pain to acquire 23 Shadowborn Apostles.
Don't get the wrong idea though, I love that they finally made an Urza creature card that isn't Blind Seer. However this just feels like a slap in the face after all the price spikes we've been getting from War of the Spark up til now. Crucible of Worlds is probably going to spike because of Prismatic Vista, Fist of Suns and Jodah, Archmage Eternal because of Morophon, the Boundless and the list goes on. EDH / Commander doesn't need to be as expensive as Modern where decks aren't affordable.
Oh my sweet, summer child. You really think Wizards doesn't know exactly who they're targeting with cards like these? They're well aware that EDH/Commander has been the most played format for a while and they've learned just how to hit us in the wallet.
That said, the card is fantastic. Balancing his power level as a planeswalker would be impossible, but finally getting a real creature version of him feels really good. My only wish is that we could get a version with the old border.
Serra down, Urza down. Just one more to go. The biggest bad of them all. You know you want to do it Wizards.
Ugin had its time to shine - it's time for the REAL Ineffable to hit the scene.
Probably zero chance of this happening. We will get pre-Phyrexia version. "Yawgmoth, Lord of the Wastes" or "Yagmoth, Traitor to Thran" or "Yawgmoth, Father of Phthisis"
Same reason we're getting this version of Urza and not the one everyone knows can't see print due to power levels. (Same. exact. problem. w/Yawgmoth.)
Forget it that arguement is irrelevant
If they can do urza they can do yawgmoth
As a matter fact while they were previewing the card the first thing that came to their mind is that urza could get banned In edh and they right it’s even easier to win with him than Arcum Dagsson
Urza isn't getting banned, people. IT took them how long to ban Emrakul, the Aeons Torn? Five plus years for Prophet of Kruphix.
The RC is very, very laissez-faire with the format. If Paradox Engine has survived this long, and the silly mana rocks, Urza will be fine.
I mean, he is busted but he is Urza, so we expected him to do absurd things. Wait a few ban cycles and go from there.
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The Construct token is a neat call forward to Karn, Scion of Urza. Tapping artifacts for blue reminds me both of Grand Architect and Tolarian Academy. And that 5 mana ability is going to be obnoxious in GU, where ramp will allow players to easily repeat the effect several times a turn. Too bad they didn't make it cost 7 as a nod to Urzatron.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Urza isn't getting banned, people. IT took them how long to ban Emrakul, the Aeons Torn? Five plus years for Prophet of Kruphix.
The RC is very, very laissez-faire with the format. If Paradox Engine has survived this long, and the silly mana rocks, Urza will be fine.
I mean, he is busted but he is Urza, so we expected him to do absurd things. Wait a few ban cycles and go from there.
This isn't the greatest argument when Emrakul got banned in 8 months (3 Ban announcements after release but still pretty quickly), Griselbrand after 3 months and Worldfire after 3 months (both in the ban announcement after release).
I am not saying Urza will (or should) get banned but there is precedent for the RC to take somewhat immediate action for cards they feel are detrimental to the format and Engine *not* being banned isn't necessarily an indication that they will just let something run rampant if it is truly hurting the format.
Serra down, Urza down. Just one more to go. The biggest bad of them all. You know you want to do it Wizards.
Ugin had its time to shine - it's time for the REAL Ineffable to hit the scene.
At this point, I'm kind of hoping it's a cycle of mono-colored legendaries. I'd love to see Yawgmoth, and I'm really happy they finally did a real Urza, but now what I want them to sneak in is Greensleeves, canon or not.
I mean, we got a Jared Carthalion quote and possible depiction on a card and that’s almost as far back as Greensleeves, so you never know.
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Urza isn't getting banned, people. IT took them how long to ban Emrakul, the Aeons Torn? Five plus years for Prophet of Kruphix.
The RC is very, very laissez-faire with the format. If Paradox Engine has survived this long, and the silly mana rocks, Urza will be fine.
I mean, he is busted but he is Urza, so we expected him to do absurd things. Wait a few ban cycles and go from there.
This isn't the greatest argument when Emrakul got banned in 8 months (3 Ban announcements after release but still pretty quickly), Griselbrand after 3 months and Worldfire after 3 months (both in the ban announcement after release).
I am not saying Urza will (or should) get banned but there is precedent for the RC to take somewhat immediate action for cards they feel are detrimental to the format and Engine *not* being banned isn't necessarily an indication that they will just let something run rampant if it is truly hurting the format.
leovold is another example of why urza could get banned
you could potentially win without trying and before they even have a chance to stop it
Oh my sweet, summer child. You really think Wizards doesn't know exactly who they're targeting with cards like these? They're well aware that EDH/Commander has been the most played format for a while and they've learned just how to hit us in the wallet.
That said, the card is fantastic. Balancing his power level as a planeswalker would be impossible, but finally getting a real creature version of him feels really good. My only wish is that we could get a version with the old border.
Turns out Breya, Etherium Shaper was a false alarm as Extraplanar Lens is the card everyone seems to be going after for Urza, Lord High Artificer. I'm guessing the idea is to tap Extraplanar Lens with Urza's 2nd ability for mana while only needing to tap 3 lands for his 3rd ability to cast anything from the top of your library for free after you shuffle. Since the activated ability doesn't require you to tap Urza himself, you can keep casting free spells for every 3 lands you tap. If you manage to get Mycosynth Lattice out you can tap Urza for his own 2nd ability to produce blue mana which could be much worse with Helm of the Host aside from being overdue for an EDH ban.
This is actually better than resorting to imprinting High Tide on Isochron Scepter as a budget alternative for Extraplanar Lens since you're required to tap it in order to use it's ability unless you have something like Unwinding Clock and Paradox Engine for untap shenanigans. I do see some potential with Deadeye Navigator and other blink effects with Urza, Lord High Artificer seeing as you can get multiple Construct artifact tokens onto the battlefield with his ETB trigger. Regardless this will be a staple card in Breya, Etherium Shaper EDH decks for sure since she can turn infinite Thopters into infinite blue mana (same with Phyrexian Altar) for casting something like Blue Sun's Zenith to deck people out with.
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
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"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
Honestly, my problems with Urza in EDH:
1. Extreme mana acceleration that doesn't make you wait for a turn, something rarely seen outside of Seton, Krosan Protector. I imagine that a player could reasonably cast this card "for free" a decent period of the time and produce sickening levels of mana thereafter.
2. It is a commander that ideally wants you to shuffle your deck several times per turn, slowing gameplay to a crawl. While Arjun, The Shifting Flame is a card, Urza gives a far more powerful (on average) payoff for the effect.
3. This feels like the type of card that would warp gameplay. If it is allowed in the 99, this is the type of card that players will grab with Bribery and Reanimate from graveyards. Even as a commander, I can easily picture players wanting to clone and confiscate this from one another. Giving you a free body, turning your equipment and general artifacts into free mana rocks, and giving you a powerful colorless mana sink is a pretty great deal (especially late in the game).
4. On top of all of that, this card can be played as a Stax general with Winder Orb and Static Orb (making both of those cards asymmetrical), which "isn't in the spirit" of the format.
The combination of those four factors make me feel uneasy about this card...
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This thing about the power level is bull*****, and was the same exact argument of when people said since forever that oldwalkers in general could never had a planeswalker card because that would never cover all the allmighty omnipowers an oldwalker got. Well guess what, we got Teferi. We got Freyalise. We got Nahiri (the equipment-matter one) which isn't even playable in competitive.
How is this possibile, you ask?
The answers is only one and is the same that answer why we got also so many multiple versions of the same PW : because a PW card NEVER cover ALL the mighty powers possibles of that PW, but only some aspects of it. Very tiny, specific aspects, depending of the contest we find that character in that historic moment. So, a Yawgmoth God, Urza post-spark, it's all possible for the simple fact that no matter what, their card will just cover a single aspect of said character and not everything.
Imagine paying 5 to hit an omniscience
At least it is fair as it shuffles your library before revealing the first card, so... Bye bye Sensei's Divining Top builds.
Now I need a new Selenia, a new Radiant and a new Gabriel. Come on, Wizards!
And he’s power level is astronomical on this card this is the most perfect mythic feel card ever print
The only thing im upset about is he’s not atleast grixis because he definately has black and red knowing cards depicting him
Edit: it’s urza before he got the other 4 colors
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Definitely going to get at least one copy of him for my artifact-themed EDH deck.
Process
Step 1: Have Urza, his token, Engine, and Dynamo out
Step 2: Tap Dynamo for 3.
Step 3: Tap Engine for U.
Step 4: Tap Token for U.
Step 5: Activate Urza with 3UU sitting in your pool.
Step 6: Play free card (only one free land per turn if you didn't play one from hand)
Step 7: Untap all nonland permanents if you actually cast a spell.
Step 8: If the free card you cast was an artifact, you also now generate extra U mana per cast.
It appears to me restrictions still apply. But, you do get the entire turn to play it if you activated his ability right at the start of your turn.
You forgot Emergence Zone
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Oh my sweet, summer child. You really think Wizards doesn't know exactly who they're targeting with cards like these? They're well aware that EDH/Commander has been the most played format for a while and they've learned just how to hit us in the wallet.
That said, the card is fantastic. Balancing his power level as a planeswalker would be impossible, but finally getting a real creature version of him feels really good. My only wish is that we could get a version with the old border.
Forget it that arguement is irrelevant
If they can do urza they can do yawgmoth
As a matter fact while they were previewing the card the first thing that came to their mind is that urza could get banned In edh and they right it’s even easier to win with him than Arcum Dagsson
The RC is very, very laissez-faire with the format. If Paradox Engine has survived this long, and the silly mana rocks, Urza will be fine.
I mean, he is busted but he is Urza, so we expected him to do absurd things. Wait a few ban cycles and go from there.
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I like the return of the artifact-matters Beast of Burden token we know from Karn already. Everything falling into place here.
Finally a good white villain quote: "So, do I ever re-evaluate my life choices? Never, because I know what I'm doing is a righteous cause."
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maybe urza is part of a cycle
serra is the W
urza is the U
maybe its a cycle of first time card characters
gix for B
gaea for G (might be the art from way eariler by maro)
i dont have a idea for red
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
I am not saying Urza will (or should) get banned but there is precedent for the RC to take somewhat immediate action for cards they feel are detrimental to the format and Engine *not* being banned isn't necessarily an indication that they will just let something run rampant if it is truly hurting the format.
I mean, we got a Jared Carthalion quote and possible depiction on a card and that’s almost as far back as Greensleeves, so you never know.
none
Modern
UBG B/U/G control
BBB MBC
WUR Control
WWW Prison
RRR Goblins
Legacy
BBB Pox
UBG B/U/G Control
UWU StoneBlade
UW Miracle Control
leovold is another example of why urza could get banned
you could potentially win without trying and before they even have a chance to stop it
This is actually better than resorting to imprinting High Tide on Isochron Scepter as a budget alternative for Extraplanar Lens since you're required to tap it in order to use it's ability unless you have something like Unwinding Clock and Paradox Engine for untap shenanigans. I do see some potential with Deadeye Navigator and other blink effects with Urza, Lord High Artificer seeing as you can get multiple Construct artifact tokens onto the battlefield with his ETB trigger. Regardless this will be a staple card in Breya, Etherium Shaper EDH decks for sure since she can turn infinite Thopters into infinite blue mana (same with Phyrexian Altar) for casting something like Blue Sun's Zenith to deck people out with.
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
1. Extreme mana acceleration that doesn't make you wait for a turn, something rarely seen outside of Seton, Krosan Protector. I imagine that a player could reasonably cast this card "for free" a decent period of the time and produce sickening levels of mana thereafter.
2. It is a commander that ideally wants you to shuffle your deck several times per turn, slowing gameplay to a crawl. While Arjun, The Shifting Flame is a card, Urza gives a far more powerful (on average) payoff for the effect.
3. This feels like the type of card that would warp gameplay. If it is allowed in the 99, this is the type of card that players will grab with Bribery and Reanimate from graveyards. Even as a commander, I can easily picture players wanting to clone and confiscate this from one another. Giving you a free body, turning your equipment and general artifacts into free mana rocks, and giving you a powerful colorless mana sink is a pretty great deal (especially late in the game).
4. On top of all of that, this card can be played as a Stax general with Winder Orb and Static Orb (making both of those cards asymmetrical), which "isn't in the spirit" of the format.
The combination of those four factors make me feel uneasy about this card...