Ghosts she freed (Ethereal Absolution) secretly were Ravnica's defense forces, and after facing some economic problems after freeing all debt slaves, Kaya just decided to rise up the taxes - and it caused massive upheavals and more casualties, weakening the plane overall right before the invasion (Smothering Tithe). Enough?
Enough? Of course not. She followed a plan to take power, what she did was under manipulation, and once she realized what the real consequences were she flipped sides. Might as well get angry at Ral for his part in the plan even though, again, he flipped once he realized what the real consequences were.
Given we knew a multicolor walker was going to have to be in the Gatewatch if that happened I'm not too surprised it's Kaya. Was hoping for Tamiyo though.
Also find it really odd people are upset with Kaya for killing the Ghost Council. Like... Ghost Council was evil. Not saying Kaya is faultless but in Kaya v Ghost Council the scales weigh more heavily with the Ghost Council.
Maybe they were evil, but Bolas was a greater evil.
I find it ridiculous when Domri dies like a filthy traitor of Ravnica after serving Bolas even though all he did was smashing things like Gruuls usually do 24/7 - and Kaya, who also was a Bolas agent and made some moves to weaken Ravnica before the invasion, gets nothing and then even joins the Gatewatch to be treated like a hero in the future.
Given we knew a multicolor walker was going to have to be in the Gatewatch if that happened I'm not too surprised it's Kaya. Was hoping for Tamiyo though.
Also find it really odd people are upset with Kaya for killing the Ghost Council. Like... Ghost Council was evil. Not saying Kaya is faultless but in Kaya v Ghost Council the scales weigh more heavily with the Ghost Council.
Maybe they were evil, but Bolas was a greater evil.
I find it ridiculous when Domri dies like a filthy traitor of Ravnica after serving Bolas even though all he did was smashing things like Gruuls usually do 24/7 - and Kaya, who also was a Bolas agent and made some moves to weaken Ravnica before the invasion, gets nothing and then even joins the Gatewatch to be treated like a hero in the future.
And if Kaya had any idea what was going on with Bolas she wouldn't have gone through with it (I'm presuming, it's possible she'd still have done it but tried in another manner). Domri, on the other hand, sees Bolas come in and start wrecking things and decides to double down and work for the guy.
Nice card but...
God, why is the Gatewatch still a thing?
We'll never get rid of them at this point.
They're here to stay. This is the end of the Bolas arc, not the end of the Gatewatch as a whole. They've been pretty clear about that. Reminds me of people in the KH fandom thinking Sora would go away after KH3.
I was hoping the Gatewatch concept was done after this arc....oh well.
Ye, i think it is a opinion that almost 60+% of players have
On here maybe.
I find it funny that planeswalkers are becoming guild leaders, if we see Vraska as a exemple, most of the guilds will be without leadership for alot of time.
GB - Vraska either as Guild master or in Ixalan
UR - Rall probably will be in ravnica most of the time as guild master ; Saheli will probably be in Kaladesh most of time;
UW - Dovin will probably be in Kaladesh (?) most of time (?)
BW - Kaya will probably be most of time in Ravnica (unless Teysa takes the duties, plz )
Guess we will have to wait new walkers for those colors. (ye know the story will follow the gatewatch )
Pretty sure only Ral and Vraska would stay as leaders (and thats if Niv becomes the guildpact or whatever). Dovin will probity wouldn't be welcome back due his role with Bolas and Kaya only became guild master because of Bolas forcing her. If not for Bolas she would have left Ravnica after killing the ghost counsel.
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Very happy with this card - especially as another Aminatou finisher. And I like it storywise too. I think Kaya's always been depicted as having an internal sense of right and wrong, and the quote on the OP art implies she's just had her eyes opened to applying that on a broader scale rather than her own previously more limited focus. Good card, good character development.
ETA: Pretty sure Teysa will take over as official leader of the Orzhov now too.
I know I am probably in the minority, but I like the Gatewatch, and I am happy to see that Kaya joins them. I like her, and she does bring some interesting abilities to the table. I also like her oath. It's pretty useful in any commander deck that runs its colors and has a few planeswalkers. At worst it's a slightly worse Lightning Helix (which to be fair was under costed for its effect), which still gives you a six life point swing in your favor.
As for the Orzhov itself, I think that after the events of WAR, Kaya will hand the reigns of the guild over to Teysa, which is as it should be.
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Ghosts she freed (Ethereal Absolution) secretly were Ravnica's defense forces, and after facing some economic problems after freeing all debt slaves, Kaya just decided to rise up the taxes - and it caused massive upheavals and more casualties, weakening the plane overall right before the invasion (Smothering Tithe). Enough?
Because its wrong to free slaves and let the free pay their share of the upkeep instead? Timing might have been really, really bad, but the act itself doesn't sound that way.
Actually, the dead who are, as you refer to "enslaved", are people who owe debts to the guild and are under contractual obligation to work off their debt even in undeath. This debt is because the undead person in question took out loans and credit and couldn't pay it off in life.
Just keep in mind that so long as superhero films are A Thing, the Gatewatch isn't likely to get shelved. Maybe it would get better reception if it were more like the Harpers network in Forgotten Realms? (Although you'd need a lot more members to reflect that.)
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if part of the problem is how WotC typically typecasts Jace, Chandra, etc. In turn, I think that's because they're possibly trying too hard to make everyone's psyche hew to their component colors. Which is...troublesome...for character development, especially when we're talking monocolor. Although given that Jace, Chandra, and Liliana are the most popular planeswalkers franchise-wide (I don't think Rosewater would have set them at 1 on the Venser Scale otherwise), WotC must be doing something right as far as popular appeal goes.
Just for the record, the planeswalkers I like most personally are Ajani, Elspeth, and Narset. Then again, whenever I take the Dissension guild quiz, I always get Azorius, Selesnya, and Simic in the top three.
Ghosts she freed (Ethereal Absolution) secretly were Ravnica's defense forces, and after facing some economic problems after freeing all debt slaves, Kaya just decided to rise up the taxes - and it caused massive upheavals and more casualties, weakening the plane overall right before the invasion (Smothering Tithe). Enough?
Because its wrong to free slaves and let the free pay their share of the upkeep instead? Timing might have been really, really bad, but the act itself doesn't sound that way.
Actually, the dead who are, as you refer to "enslaved", are people who owe debts to the guild and are under contractual obligation to work off their debt even in undeath. This debt is because the undead person in question took out loans and credit and couldn't pay it off in life.
Yes, because the Orzhov give out loans that people can't possibly pay off to turn them into slaves even after death. They were not the good guys, at all. Making slaves of people because they needed money (which is being controlled by the Orzhov to begin with) isn't something people should be defending. Bolas uses good intentions against Kaya and Tesya, but that's one of Bolas' things.
Ghosts she freed (Ethereal Absolution) secretly were Ravnica's defense forces, and after facing some economic problems after freeing all debt slaves, Kaya just decided to rise up the taxes - and it caused massive upheavals and more casualties, weakening the plane overall right before the invasion (Smothering Tithe). Enough?
Because its wrong to free slaves and let the free pay their share of the upkeep instead? Timing might have been really, really bad, but the act itself doesn't sound that way.
Actually, the dead who are, as you refer to "enslaved", are people who owe debts to the guild and are under contractual obligation to work off their debt even in undeath. This debt is because the undead person in question took out loans and credit and couldn't pay it off in life.
Yes, because the Orzhov give out loans that people can't possibly pay off to turn them into slaves even after death. They were not the good guys, at all. Making slaves of people because they needed money (which is being controlled by the Orzhov to begin with) isn't something people should be defending. Bolas uses good intentions against Kaya and Tesya, but that's one of Bolas' things.
Never said they are the good guys, but they actually do look after the community they fostered and help families who partake in the guild's actions. Also what you said is an exaggeration of the guild. Its kind of like blaming real world banks because you took out a loan and don't have a means to pay it back. That just lole those banks, if you know how to work with the guild in a beneficial manner, you can actually excel in life and unlife. The people who can't pay off loans tend to be the same people who were in a bad spot to begin with.
That unlike the Pre-Decamillennial Celebration Selsenya, you actually knew what you were in for if you worked with the guild. Its common knowledge for the denizens of Ravnica that the Orzhov guild is corrupt.
Ghosts she freed (Ethereal Absolution) secretly were Ravnica's defense forces, and after facing some economic problems after freeing all debt slaves, Kaya just decided to rise up the taxes - and it caused massive upheavals and more casualties, weakening the plane overall right before the invasion (Smothering Tithe). Enough?
Because its wrong to free slaves and let the free pay their share of the upkeep instead? Timing might have been really, really bad, but the act itself doesn't sound that way.
Actually, the dead who are, as you refer to "enslaved", are people who owe debts to the guild and are under contractual obligation to work off their debt even in undeath. This debt is because the undead person in question took out loans and credit and couldn't pay it off in life.
Yes, because the Orzhov give out loans that people can't possibly pay off to turn them into slaves even after death. They were not the good guys, at all. Making slaves of people because they needed money (which is being controlled by the Orzhov to begin with) isn't something people should be defending. Bolas uses good intentions against Kaya and Tesya, but that's one of Bolas' things.
Never said they are the good guys, but they actually do look after the community they fostered and help families who partake in the guild's actions. Also what you said is an exaggeration of the guild. Its kind of like blaming real world banks because you took out a loan and don't have a means to pay it back. That just lole those banks, if you know how to work with the guild in a beneficial manner, you can actually excel in life and unlife. The people who can't pay off loans tend to be the same people who were in a bad spot to begin with.
The Orzhov is a cross between the Maggia and the Catholic Church. The Maggia looks after their communities, but they are still very bad people who will kill you if you don't pay protection money. The Orzhov works the same way, if you don't pay up, they kill you. And if you borrow money from them, they put you so far in debt that you'll spend centuries of your afterlife to pay them off. Their organization is essentially a vampire feeding of the community they rule over. They are the kind of people who get people to take loans from them by hiring thugs to break their property and then show up offering to "help" the victims. I love Teysa as a character, but I don't defend the actions of her or the organization she represents.
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Just keep in mind that so long as superhero films are A Thing, the Gatewatch isn't likely to get shelved. Maybe it would get better reception if it were more like the Harpers network in Forgotten Realms? (Although you'd need a lot more members to reflect that.)
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if part of the problem is how WotC typically typecasts Jace, Chandra, etc. In turn, I think that's because they're possibly trying too hard to make everyone's psyche hew to their component colors. Which is...troublesome...for character development, especially when we're talking monocolor. Although given that Jace, Chandra, and Liliana are the most popular planeswalkers franchise-wide (I don't think Rosewater would have set them at 1 on the Venser Scale otherwise), WotC must be doing something right as far as popular appeal goes.
When your entire ongoing storyline focuses almost solely on those three, of course they're the most "popular". Nissa quit, and even before that she barely got any screentime, and it's almost like they almost forgot Gideon aside from a brief sideplot in Amonkhet and taking up the Blackblade in Dominaria. We've seen here that there's clearly other Planeswalkers they could focus on, but they don't. Gotta be all the Gatewatch all the time, who cares what Angrath is doing on his home plane? Or what Ashiok is up to?
As a result, the problem is that every plane WotC visits in a set, the focus will be how the Gatewatch impacts that plane. They'll never just visit a plane to show us a neat plane. And there will never be a plane that the Gatewatch just explores with no conflict. Viking World, as the next set is speculated? Nope - it'll be the Scooby Doo version of Viking World, where there's some sort of evil plot afoot and some mustache-twirler would've gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling Planeswalkers.
Ghosts she freed (Ethereal Absolution) secretly were Ravnica's defense forces, and after facing some economic problems after freeing all debt slaves, Kaya just decided to rise up the taxes - and it caused massive upheavals and more casualties, weakening the plane overall right before the invasion (Smothering Tithe). Enough?
Because its wrong to free slaves and let the free pay their share of the upkeep instead? Timing might have been really, really bad, but the act itself doesn't sound that way.
Actually, the dead who are, as you refer to "enslaved", are people who owe debts to the guild and are under contractual obligation to work off their debt even in undeath. This debt is because the undead person in question took out loans and credit and couldn't pay it off in life.
Yes, because the Orzhov give out loans that people can't possibly pay off to turn them into slaves even after death. They were not the good guys, at all. Making slaves of people because they needed money (which is being controlled by the Orzhov to begin with) isn't something people should be defending. Bolas uses good intentions against Kaya and Tesya, but that's one of Bolas' things.
Never said they are the good guys, but they actually do look after the community they fostered and help families who partake in the guild's actions. Also what you said is an exaggeration of the guild. Its kind of like blaming real world banks because you took out a loan and don't have a means to pay it back. That just lole those banks, if you know how to work with the guild in a beneficial manner, you can actually excel in life and unlife. The people who can't pay off loans tend to be the same people who were in a bad spot to begin with.
That unlike the Pre-Decamillennial Celebration Selsenya, you actually knew what you were in for if you worked with the guild. Its common knowledge for the denizens of Ravnica that the Orzhov guild is corrupt.
The Orzhov loaned out to the most desperate with contract terms that were so tied up in legal mess that no one but the Advokist could hope to understand them. They were loan sharks, pure and simple.
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You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
Man, baffling people are trying to defend the Orzhov. They’re bad, plain and simple. Like most part Black organizations wind up being, which is super silly.
And WotC didn’t push the popular ones, it’s kind of silly to think that the focus on Nissa, Liliana, and Chandra isn’t because people like them and instead is some sort of top down push from WotC to make people like them. It doesn’t matter who is most popular to WotC, it’s all the same to them. That’s why we get so many of the same characters.
That being said I’d rather they expand the Gatewatch. Less members means the ones we have show up more often. More members means more diversity. Hoping they have one for all two colors and one color (currently down Green and soon White I imagine), and then even with 15 walkers in the Gatewatch it shouldn’t too bad if they really rotate them.
She desserves to be in a cage for ruining two societies, not join the heroes.
I liked her as a concept in Conspiracy 2, a lot actually, but repeating the same "naive girl ruins everything" thing while destroying one of Ravnica's most interesting and unique features and getting a bunch of quotes that make her sound like Rocket Raccoon's less funny and more sociopathic sister has wore out her welcome.
And to add insult to injury she keeps stealing legendary creature spots from my favorite color combination.
She desserves to be in a cage for ruining two societies, not join the heroes.
I liked her as a concept in Conspiracy 2, a lot actually, but repeating the same "naive girl ruins everything" thing while destroying one of Ravnica's most interesting and unique features and getting a bunch of quotes that make her sound like Rocket Raccoon's less funny and more sociopathic sister has wore out her welcome.
And to add insult to injury she keeps stealing legendary creature spots from my favorite color combination.
I’m not sure she “ruined” Floria. I mean, in both cases there is a corrupt, immortal entity making matters worse for the still living. When they get taken out there is a power vacuum and other also not good people take over, but I can’t really see it as “worse”. Bolas is an issue, but I don’t really blame Kaya for that.
So, it's first a sorcery Helix, then afterward whenever you or a planeswalker you control gets attacked you get to drain the attacking player for 2. Yeah, that seems pretty decent.
And considering Kaya was on the cover of the book, we really shouldn't be all that surprised. It wouldn't be the first time Kaya turned against an employer out of moral indignity.
Given we knew a multicolor walker was going to have to be in the Gatewatch if that happened I'm not too surprised it's Kaya. Was hoping for Tamiyo though.
Also find it really odd people are upset with Kaya for killing the Ghost Council. Like... Ghost Council was evil. Not saying Kaya is faultless but in Kaya v Ghost Council the scales weigh more heavily with the Ghost Council.
Maybe they were evil, but Bolas was a greater evil.
I find it ridiculous when Domri dies like a filthy traitor of Ravnica after serving Bolas even though all he did was smashing things like Gruuls usually do 24/7 - and Kaya, who also was a Bolas agent and made some moves to weaken Ravnica before the invasion, gets nothing and then even joins the Gatewatch to be treated like a hero in the future.
Note that the Gruul smashing things usually comes at the cost of innocents who had nothing to do with their original mistreatment. They have a right to be angry at the other Guilds, but when they attack people indiscriminately and take pleasure in the pain and suffering they cause they really can't blame the public for turning against them. It's like first they smash a building and kill people, then the people demonize them, then they get outraged that society has ostracized them and decide to go smash another building. Cue vicious cycle.
Fact is, Domri ended up being just another violent punk who was likely never going to change his ways, especially once daddy Bolas started backing him up. I am a little disappointed, to be frank. There was a time when I was hoping Domri himself would join the Gatewatch, playing the role of the beast master once it became clear Garruk wasn't going to.
Kaya destroyed the Obzedat and released the people indebted to the guild, then turned around and raised tithes until riots broke out, likely by intent. Orzhov Guildgate's flavor text implies Kaya is disgusted by the Orzhov and their ways, so she was likely deliberately turn the public against them.
At any rate, no reason she can't have a change of heart and decide to follow a better path. She's far less evil than either Bolas or the Obzedat, and she did a heck of a lot more good for the city and its people than Domri or the rest of the Gruul.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
She desserves to be in a cage for ruining two societies, not join the heroes.
I liked her as a concept in Conspiracy 2, a lot actually, but repeating the same "naive girl ruins everything" thing while destroying one of Ravnica's most interesting and unique features and getting a bunch of quotes that make her sound like Rocket Raccoon's less funny and more sociopathic sister has wore out her welcome.
And to add insult to injury she keeps stealing legendary creature spots from my favorite color combination.
I’m not sure she “ruined” Floria. I mean, in both cases there is a corrupt, immortal entity making matters worse for the still living. When they get taken out there is a power vacuum and other also not good people take over, but I can’t really see it as “worse”. Bolas is an issue, but I don’t really blame Kaya for that.
But Brago wasn't corrupt. He was actually a paragon and benevolent ruler who sought to take out corruption from the system. What Kaya did was assassinate a good person and help install an actual tyrant, not actually fix the system.
Also Kaya was only contracted to assassinate Obzedat which is a corrupt parun, all good so far compared to Brago. But then she decides to release the indebted dead from their servitude, which also came with a cost, raising the taxes on the living immensely. Which in turn caused the living to revolt for they were being more oppressed by the Orzhov guild, not less. Which like before, she didn't actually fix the system, she just made it worse.
But then she decides to release the indebted dead from their servitude.
Which she did for what ammounts to racism. After being told plenty that it was a terrible idea. Bolas counted on her to be a self-righteous ******** and she delivered.
But then she decides to release the indebted dead from their servitude.
Which she did for what ammounts to racism. After being told plenty that it was a terrible idea. Bolas counted on her to be a self-righteous ******** and she delivered.
It’s only terrible because the Orzhov was using them as slave labor, and instead of trying to do anything else they just tried to tax the living immensely. Crazy that people are defending the Orzhov as though they aren’t a very good example of the bad in Ravnica.
But then she decides to release the indebted dead from their servitude.
Which she did for what ammounts to racism. After being told plenty that it was a terrible idea. Bolas counted on her to be a self-righteous ******** and she delivered.
I don't know if I would consider that racism. Necrophobia? But yeah, she basically caused the guild to start sinking.
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Enough? Of course not. She followed a plan to take power, what she did was under manipulation, and once she realized what the real consequences were she flipped sides. Might as well get angry at Ral for his part in the plan even though, again, he flipped once he realized what the real consequences were.
God, why is the Gatewatch still a thing?
We'll never get rid of them at this point.
Maybe they were evil, but Bolas was a greater evil.
I find it ridiculous when Domri dies like a filthy traitor of Ravnica after serving Bolas even though all he did was smashing things like Gruuls usually do 24/7 - and Kaya, who also was a Bolas agent and made some moves to weaken Ravnica before the invasion, gets nothing and then even joins the Gatewatch to be treated like a hero in the future.
And if Kaya had any idea what was going on with Bolas she wouldn't have gone through with it (I'm presuming, it's possible she'd still have done it but tried in another manner). Domri, on the other hand, sees Bolas come in and start wrecking things and decides to double down and work for the guy.
They're here to stay. This is the end of the Bolas arc, not the end of the Gatewatch as a whole. They've been pretty clear about that. Reminds me of people in the KH fandom thinking Sora would go away after KH3.
On here maybe.
Pretty sure only Ral and Vraska would stay as leaders (and thats if Niv becomes the guildpact or whatever). Dovin will probity wouldn't be welcome back due his role with Bolas and Kaya only became guild master because of Bolas forcing her. If not for Bolas she would have left Ravnica after killing the ghost counsel.
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ETA: Pretty sure Teysa will take over as official leader of the Orzhov now too.
As for the Orzhov itself, I think that after the events of WAR, Kaya will hand the reigns of the guild over to Teysa, which is as it should be.
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Just keep in mind that so long as superhero films are A Thing, the Gatewatch isn't likely to get shelved. Maybe it would get better reception if it were more like the Harpers network in Forgotten Realms? (Although you'd need a lot more members to reflect that.)
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if part of the problem is how WotC typically typecasts Jace, Chandra, etc. In turn, I think that's because they're possibly trying too hard to make everyone's psyche hew to their component colors. Which is...troublesome...for character development, especially when we're talking monocolor. Although given that Jace, Chandra, and Liliana are the most popular planeswalkers franchise-wide (I don't think Rosewater would have set them at 1 on the Venser Scale otherwise), WotC must be doing something right as far as popular appeal goes.
Just for the record, the planeswalkers I like most personally are Ajani, Elspeth, and Narset. Then again, whenever I take the Dissension guild quiz, I always get Azorius, Selesnya, and Simic in the top three.
Yes, because the Orzhov give out loans that people can't possibly pay off to turn them into slaves even after death. They were not the good guys, at all. Making slaves of people because they needed money (which is being controlled by the Orzhov to begin with) isn't something people should be defending. Bolas uses good intentions against Kaya and Tesya, but that's one of Bolas' things.
That unlike the Pre-Decamillennial Celebration Selsenya, you actually knew what you were in for if you worked with the guild. Its common knowledge for the denizens of Ravnica that the Orzhov guild is corrupt.
The Orzhov is a cross between the Maggia and the Catholic Church. The Maggia looks after their communities, but they are still very bad people who will kill you if you don't pay protection money. The Orzhov works the same way, if you don't pay up, they kill you. And if you borrow money from them, they put you so far in debt that you'll spend centuries of your afterlife to pay them off. Their organization is essentially a vampire feeding of the community they rule over. They are the kind of people who get people to take loans from them by hiring thugs to break their property and then show up offering to "help" the victims. I love Teysa as a character, but I don't defend the actions of her or the organization she represents.
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When your entire ongoing storyline focuses almost solely on those three, of course they're the most "popular". Nissa quit, and even before that she barely got any screentime, and it's almost like they almost forgot Gideon aside from a brief sideplot in Amonkhet and taking up the Blackblade in Dominaria. We've seen here that there's clearly other Planeswalkers they could focus on, but they don't. Gotta be all the Gatewatch all the time, who cares what Angrath is doing on his home plane? Or what Ashiok is up to?
As a result, the problem is that every plane WotC visits in a set, the focus will be how the Gatewatch impacts that plane. They'll never just visit a plane to show us a neat plane. And there will never be a plane that the Gatewatch just explores with no conflict. Viking World, as the next set is speculated? Nope - it'll be the Scooby Doo version of Viking World, where there's some sort of evil plot afoot and some mustache-twirler would've gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling Planeswalkers.
The Orzhov loaned out to the most desperate with contract terms that were so tied up in legal mess that no one but the Advokist could hope to understand them. They were loan sharks, pure and simple.
"I hope to have such a death... lying in triumph atop the broken bodies of those who slew me..."
And WotC didn’t push the popular ones, it’s kind of silly to think that the focus on Nissa, Liliana, and Chandra isn’t because people like them and instead is some sort of top down push from WotC to make people like them. It doesn’t matter who is most popular to WotC, it’s all the same to them. That’s why we get so many of the same characters.
That being said I’d rather they expand the Gatewatch. Less members means the ones we have show up more often. More members means more diversity. Hoping they have one for all two colors and one color (currently down Green and soon White I imagine), and then even with 15 walkers in the Gatewatch it shouldn’t too bad if they really rotate them.
I liked her as a concept in Conspiracy 2, a lot actually, but repeating the same "naive girl ruins everything" thing while destroying one of Ravnica's most interesting and unique features and getting a bunch of quotes that make her sound like Rocket Raccoon's less funny and more sociopathic sister has wore out her welcome.
And to add insult to injury she keeps stealing legendary creature spots from my favorite color combination.
I’m not sure she “ruined” Floria. I mean, in both cases there is a corrupt, immortal entity making matters worse for the still living. When they get taken out there is a power vacuum and other also not good people take over, but I can’t really see it as “worse”. Bolas is an issue, but I don’t really blame Kaya for that.
And considering Kaya was on the cover of the book, we really shouldn't be all that surprised. It wouldn't be the first time Kaya turned against an employer out of moral indignity.
Note that the Gruul smashing things usually comes at the cost of innocents who had nothing to do with their original mistreatment. They have a right to be angry at the other Guilds, but when they attack people indiscriminately and take pleasure in the pain and suffering they cause they really can't blame the public for turning against them. It's like first they smash a building and kill people, then the people demonize them, then they get outraged that society has ostracized them and decide to go smash another building. Cue vicious cycle.
Fact is, Domri ended up being just another violent punk who was likely never going to change his ways, especially once daddy Bolas started backing him up. I am a little disappointed, to be frank. There was a time when I was hoping Domri himself would join the Gatewatch, playing the role of the beast master once it became clear Garruk wasn't going to.
Kaya destroyed the Obzedat and released the people indebted to the guild, then turned around and raised tithes until riots broke out, likely by intent. Orzhov Guildgate's flavor text implies Kaya is disgusted by the Orzhov and their ways, so she was likely deliberately turn the public against them.
At any rate, no reason she can't have a change of heart and decide to follow a better path. She's far less evil than either Bolas or the Obzedat, and she did a heck of a lot more good for the city and its people than Domri or the rest of the Gruul.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Um, like is this like, um, atrocious writing, like, um for real?
Also Kaya was only contracted to assassinate Obzedat which is a corrupt parun, all good so far compared to Brago. But then she decides to release the indebted dead from their servitude, which also came with a cost, raising the taxes on the living immensely. Which in turn caused the living to revolt for they were being more oppressed by the Orzhov guild, not less. Which like before, she didn't actually fix the system, she just made it worse.
We traded the pragmatic paladin for this mess.
It’s only terrible because the Orzhov was using them as slave labor, and instead of trying to do anything else they just tried to tax the living immensely. Crazy that people are defending the Orzhov as though they aren’t a very good example of the bad in Ravnica.