It was a foregone conclusion. Had he won, the game would have been over. Same would have happened if Phyrexia won in Invasion block.
Sheesh.
In MtG forces of evil can win a battle, but not war...
This is how stories in general work. There are exceptions but the majority of times that it’s a good vs evil thing in a story good wins in the end. This isn’t really new or unique to Magic.
It is noteworthy that it doesn't exile itself upon resolution. A significant difference from what we've become accustomed to in sets printed over the past several years.
It was a foregone conclusion. Had he won, the game would have been over. Same would have happened if Phyrexia won in Invasion block.
Sheesh.
In MtG forces of evil can win a battle, but not war...
Tell Gerrard and Urza that. Last I checked even though Yawgmoth is gone, Urborg is still permanently corrupt and Phyrexia took over an entire plane created by the only existing bit of the Legacy and the only 'descendant' of Urza. I would say Phyrexia did better in that conflict than Dominaria.
Leakers suck. Seriously, this spoiler season has been excellent so far, yet someone decided they had to ruin it, with about 60 more cards left to be spoiled.
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Leakers suck. Seriously, this spoiler season has been excellent so far, yet someone decided they had to ruin it, with about 60 more cards left to be spoiled.
Books too early copy’s have Ben gotten
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potentialy only 3 walker deaths and one is dack the other 2 is domri and Gideon
And bolas defeat too
God eternal Bontu bites him and he loses his spark retreats to the meditation realm to be greeted by ugin and imprisons him
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If you really think of it though Bolas’ plan wasn’t thought through very well. He brought mindless zombies to a plane full of 10 very impassioned groups of people all with some amount of militant force.
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Gaze upon an empty, white throne
A legacy of lies,
A familiar disguise
Sing with me a song of conquest and fate
The black pillar cracks beneath its weight
Night breaks through the day, hard as a stone
Lost in thoughts all alone
Course he lost. If he won the story would sorta end and that's not good for business.
I was hoping for a multiverse-reset event.
Nicol Bolas is defeated, but not after the majority of planeswalkers die. Then for the next few years, there would be zero planeswalkers until their eventual return.
Killing their most popular characters and one of the things that makes Magic what it is would be silly. And we already know every living Planeswalker isn’t there as well, so it wouldn’t even make any sense. Not like Bolas dying would stop Walkers from sparking either.
We also have the Chandra comic which wouldn’t make sense with that context either. And just so many other holes.
They killed Urza and Gerard. It's not unheard of.
I was hoping War of the Spark was on the level of Apocalypse, but it's not.
I envision the music from the end of the original Return of the Jedi being played on this card. Its just missing the Ewoks.
Oops missed the above reference, sorry. Thumbs up to Elostirion for the link. YUB NUB!!
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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Spaniard I know you want to help with your leaks, but you're killing the buzz.
Still though, this a thousand times.
Edit: Actually, let me be more vehement: After all the effort and preparation the creative team went through to prep this story and deliver it to us, rolling out a specially-planned spoiler season and going the extra mile to try and make War of the Spark a unique experience, leaks like this--especially story spotlights--are particularly uncool.
Ditto for whoever the hell it was who leaked Nicol Bolas. We're not grateful, you're not helping, and all you're really doing is cheapening the experience.
This card reads:
5GG
Sorcery
Proliferate 3 times
Return a card from your GY to your hand that can recur this card.
And oddly enough, Proliferating 3 times is *exactly* enough to allow Tamiyo, Collector of Tales to recur this every round.
You’d need other pieces to make that worth doing,
but it’s a start.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
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The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
I don't want to waste my time on a story with a downer ending where the good guys I've been rooting for end up losing. And I flat out reject stories that confuse "realism" with "pessimism", where the downer ending is supposed to represent some fatalistic philosophy about life. It's bad enough that real life has been disappointing and depressing, I will NOT waste my time on disappointing and depressing fiction. If the bad guy ends up winning, what's even the point of caring? What's even the point of reading the damn fiction in the first place!? Amonkhet felt like a waste of time. Shadows Over Innistrad felt like a waste of time. Scars of Mirrodin felt like a waste of time. Kaladesh, Ixalan, and Dominaria didn't feel like a waste of time.
So yeah, pardon me if I celebrate with the Ravnicans here. Down with Bolas and good riddance. At least in fiction world, dictators and tyrants get the death and defeat they deserve.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
I don't want to waste my time on a story with a downer ending where the good guys I've been rooting for end up losing. And I flat out reject stories that confuse "realism" with "pessimism", where the downer ending is supposed to represent some fatalistic philosophy about life. It's bad enough that real life has been disappointing and depressing, I will NOT waste my time on disappointing and depressing fiction. If the bad guy ends up winning, what's even the point of caring? What's even the point of reading the damn fiction in the first place!? Amonkhet felt like a waste of time. Shadows Over Innistrad felt like a waste of time. Scars of Mirrodin felt like a waste of time. Kaladesh, Ixalan, and Dominaria didn't feel like a waste of time.
So yeah, pardon me if I celebrate with the Ravnicans here. Down with Bolas and good riddance. At least in fiction world, dictators and tyrants get the death and defeat they deserve.
I'm not against your victory for the heroes, you can have it, I simply wanted a more Pyrrhic victory for them. Where their victory was earned but it came at a great cost. This is the impression I was getting from the Chandra comics where she seems to be suffering from PTSD from the events of this war. That meanwhile it seems instead that the defenders just steamrolled bolas like he was more of a punchline than Tibalt from the cards.
That I am personally experiencing a ludo-narrative dissonance based on the cards (official and leaks) and story trying to be told.
I don't want to waste my time on a story with a downer ending where the good guys I've been rooting for end up losing. And I flat out reject stories that confuse "realism" with "pessimism", where the downer ending is supposed to represent some fatalistic philosophy about life.
So what you are telling me, is you are not a fan of Warhammer 40K?
I'm fine with the Walkers winning, I did not REALLY expect otherwise, but I wanted a cost to be paid, and a high one at that.
So looking at the story line I actually see this as the statue at first glance, but looking at the coloration it looks like Ugin. Wouldn’t it be funny if they killed the wrong dragon planeswalker???
The word you're looking for is "bittersweet" victory. A pyrric victory is by definition tantamount to a defeat; "winning a battle at the cost of the war" as it were. Victory can be bittersweet and still feel like a victory.
And I do not want Invasion-levels of heroes dying off again, not when they have potential in future stories that otherwise will go to blatant expies. You want Gideon dead? Say hello to the new white soldier guy who fights for justice! You want Jace dead? Oh look, another blue mind mage! They're just like the characters who died, except they have none of the history or character development! We just killed the whole Gatewatch! Now meet the new Gatewatch, who are just like the old Gatewatch but with new names and hair colors! Action figures now on sale at Wal-Mart for $10.99 each!
Anyway, Planar Celebration is basically a Command mixed with a Confluence. That's new. Take note you can proliferate four times with this card. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there. Then do it again. And again. And again.)
MTGS Wikia Article about "New World Order"
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
The word you're looking for is "bittersweet" victory. A pyrric victory is by definition tantamount to a defeat; "winning a battle at the cost of the war" as it were. Victory can be bittersweet and still feel like a victory.
And I do not want Invasion-levels of heroes dying off again, not when they have potential in future stories that otherwise will go to blatant expies. You want Gideon dead? Say hello to the new white soldier guy who fights for justice! You want Jace dead? Oh look, another blue mind mage! They're just like the characters who died, except they have none of the history or character development! We just killed the whole Gatewatch! Now meet the new Gatewatch, who are just like the old Gatewatch but with new names and hair colors! Action figures now on sale at Wal-Mart for $10.99 each!
Are the colours so shallow that this is all they could do? I find that a questionable take. Besides, we all know Jace isnt going anywhere. I'm far more excited and interested by the new walkers, than the old ones with new cards, especially the gatewatch which have...next to zero draw to me.
Like, the trailer had me pumped because it honestly looked like there could be some tragic consequences for Liliana. If that doesnt come to bear, then its a big ol' shrug.
"Burn, suffer, and trouble me no more." - Fulminator Mage
Tell some new stories. With new Walkers, about other things going on. The gatewatch arc shrunk the 'multiverse' considerably.
I don't want to waste my time on a story with a downer ending where the good guys I've been rooting for end up losing. And I flat out reject stories that confuse "realism" with "pessimism", where the downer ending is supposed to represent some fatalistic philosophy about life. It's bad enough that real life has been disappointing and depressing, I will NOT waste my time on disappointing and depressing fiction. If the bad guy ends up winning, what's even the point of caring? What's even the point of reading the damn fiction in the first place!? Amonkhet felt like a waste of time. Shadows Over Innistrad felt like a waste of time. Scars of Mirrodin felt like a waste of time. Kaladesh, Ixalan, and Dominaria didn't feel like a waste of time.
So yeah, pardon me if I celebrate with the Ravnicans here. Down with Bolas and good riddance. At least in fiction world, dictators and tyrants get the death and defeat they deserve.
meanwhile it seems instead that the defenders just steamrolled bolas like he was more of a punchline than Tibalt from the cards.
Basically, this.
An ancient dragon who was the smartest and most powerful creature to ever walk the multiverse was out-smarted and overpowered with no meaningful cost to those who bested him.
I don't want to waste my time on a story with a downer ending where the good guys I've been rooting for end up losing. And I flat out reject stories that confuse "realism" with "pessimism", where the downer ending is supposed to represent some fatalistic philosophy about life. It's bad enough that real life has been disappointing and depressing, I will NOT waste my time on disappointing and depressing fiction. If the bad guy ends up winning, what's even the point of caring? What's even the point of reading the damn fiction in the first place!? Amonkhet felt like a waste of time. Shadows Over Innistrad felt like a waste of time. Scars of Mirrodin felt like a waste of time. Kaladesh, Ixalan, and Dominaria didn't feel like a waste of time.
So yeah, pardon me if I celebrate with the Ravnicans here. Down with Bolas and good riddance. At least in fiction world, dictators and tyrants get the death and defeat they deserve.
Yes, you. You is not everybody else.
I'm most of the time with the villain side, and you know why? Exactly because in fiction they lose 99% of time, and I'm ******* sick of such predictable plots were the "Happy ending" is always a given. Because a winning villain is "unpopular", doesn't sell well.
Well, guess what. I enjoy villains, I enjoy intelligent villains and I strongly believe that well-written villains deserve the victory because they know their *****, opposed to boring, predictable, shallow and flat heroes that "always win in the end" only because is popular and people like the good guys wins.
It's since the bible that "good always triumph over evil". I'm really tired of this, and excuse me if I like well-written stories exactly because they are realistic, deep and adherent to the real world dynamics, and not just the same "and everyone lived happily ever after" over and over.
At least in Apocalypse the main character and hero died forever with the villain. Those were great stories, that ones that you truly remember and mess up with you!
This war it's a total joke compared to that. Or even to what happened in Time Spiral.
The truth is that the writers are playing safe with their characters now. And that's why the story feels flat, boring and horribly predictable overall.And that's bad writing in my book.
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Sheesh.
In MtG forces of evil can win a battle, but not war...
This is how stories in general work. There are exceptions but the majority of times that it’s a good vs evil thing in a story good wins in the end. This isn’t really new or unique to Magic.
Tell Gerrard and Urza that. Last I checked even though Yawgmoth is gone, Urborg is still permanently corrupt and Phyrexia took over an entire plane created by the only existing bit of the Legacy and the only 'descendant' of Urza. I would say Phyrexia did better in that conflict than Dominaria.
Surprisingly fast defeat of Bolas. Maybe he is still alive, and will come back next set?
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And bolas defeat too
God eternal Bontu bites him and he loses his spark retreats to the meditation realm to be greeted by ugin and imprisons him
Just ask Vraska...
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Gaze upon an empty, white throne
A legacy of lies,
A familiar disguise
Sing with me a song of conquest and fate
The black pillar cracks beneath its weight
Night breaks through the day, hard as a stone
Lost in thoughts all alone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np6vAuS0KNs
They killed Urza and Gerard. It's not unheard of.
I was hoping War of the Spark was on the level of Apocalypse, but it's not.
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Oops missed the above reference, sorry. Thumbs up to Elostirion for the link. YUB NUB!!
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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Very dissapointing at the low body count for this "war".
Spaniard I know you want to help with your leaks, but you're killing the buzz.
Bolas's loss may be a foregone conclusion, but the price of victory and fates of most of the characters are still very much up in the air.
This is literally what I was thinking, haha.
Still though, this a thousand times.
Edit: Actually, let me be more vehement: After all the effort and preparation the creative team went through to prep this story and deliver it to us, rolling out a specially-planned spoiler season and going the extra mile to try and make War of the Spark a unique experience, leaks like this--especially story spotlights--are particularly uncool.
Ditto for whoever the hell it was who leaked Nicol Bolas. We're not grateful, you're not helping, and all you're really doing is cheapening the experience.
Get over yourself. This isn't about you.
And oddly enough, Proliferating 3 times is *exactly* enough to allow Tamiyo, Collector of Tales to recur this every round.
You’d need other pieces to make that worth doing,
but it’s a start.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
So yeah, pardon me if I celebrate with the Ravnicans here. Down with Bolas and good riddance. At least in fiction world, dictators and tyrants get the death and defeat they deserve.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
A green card with “Planar” in its name!
Shards of awful never
That I am personally experiencing a ludo-narrative dissonance based on the cards (official and leaks) and story trying to be told.
So what you are telling me, is you are not a fan of Warhammer 40K?
I'm fine with the Walkers winning, I did not REALLY expect otherwise, but I wanted a cost to be paid, and a high one at that.
Spirits
And I do not want Invasion-levels of heroes dying off again, not when they have potential in future stories that otherwise will go to blatant expies. You want Gideon dead? Say hello to the new white soldier guy who fights for justice! You want Jace dead? Oh look, another blue mind mage! They're just like the characters who died, except they have none of the history or character development! We just killed the whole Gatewatch! Now meet the new Gatewatch, who are just like the old Gatewatch but with new names and hair colors! Action figures now on sale at Wal-Mart for $10.99 each!
Anyway, Planar Celebration is basically a Command mixed with a Confluence. That's new. Take note you can proliferate four times with this card. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there. Then do it again. And again. And again.)
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Are the colours so shallow that this is all they could do? I find that a questionable take. Besides, we all know Jace isnt going anywhere. I'm far more excited and interested by the new walkers, than the old ones with new cards, especially the gatewatch which have...next to zero draw to me.
Like, the trailer had me pumped because it honestly looked like there could be some tragic consequences for Liliana. If that doesnt come to bear, then its a big ol' shrug.
"Burn, suffer, and trouble me no more." - Fulminator Mage
Tell some new stories. With new Walkers, about other things going on. The gatewatch arc shrunk the 'multiverse' considerably.
Spirits
Basically, this.
An ancient dragon who was the smartest and most powerful creature to ever walk the multiverse was out-smarted and overpowered with no meaningful cost to those who bested him.
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Yes, you. You is not everybody else.
I'm most of the time with the villain side, and you know why? Exactly because in fiction they lose 99% of time, and I'm ******* sick of such predictable plots were the "Happy ending" is always a given. Because a winning villain is "unpopular", doesn't sell well.
Well, guess what. I enjoy villains, I enjoy intelligent villains and I strongly believe that well-written villains deserve the victory because they know their *****, opposed to boring, predictable, shallow and flat heroes that "always win in the end" only because is popular and people like the good guys wins.
It's since the bible that "good always triumph over evil". I'm really tired of this, and excuse me if I like well-written stories exactly because they are realistic, deep and adherent to the real world dynamics, and not just the same "and everyone lived happily ever after" over and over.
At least in Apocalypse the main character and hero died forever with the villain. Those were great stories, that ones that you truly remember and mess up with you!
This war it's a total joke compared to that. Or even to what happened in Time Spiral.
The truth is that the writers are playing safe with their characters now. And that's why the story feels flat, boring and horribly predictable overall.And that's bad writing in my book.