For commander I see it as a really great way of protecting against sorcery speed removal. The fact that you get to put the creature back into your hand means that it's not exposed to wraths. This coupled with the ability to put Ilharg, the Raze-Boar 3 cards down, means that the commander tax can be negated.
So with Sensei's Divining Top you'll always have access to him.
The thing is that you don't even need to be putting bombs into play with him, just getting some reusable value is fine, ala Solemn Simulacrum, Imperial Recruiter.., and use him more for the bounce back to hand.
You can use Reality Scramble to basically make sure that you can get Ilharg, the Raze-Boar from the top cards of your library with some of your smaller creatures more quickly. The retrace on it makes it easy to just discard lands to keep putting him back into play.
Unfortunately, I think since Combat Celebrant enters the battlefield already attacking his exert ability will not trigger if I'm remembering the rules correctly.
Correct. Exert is a choice made when a creature is declared as an attacker. If they are put into play attacking you cannot exert.
Notably emrakul's annihilator doesn't trigger with the pig so I doubt it will see serious modern play, but it is going to be one hell of a force in standard and commander.
You can T2 this guy then swing with him then get emrakul out
THATS 21 DAMAGE ON TURN 2!!!
that's just too many moving parts. An emrakul on its own wins the game with anialator. I was thinking it would be good as an alternative to through the breach, but it is venerable to spot removal and your opponent can block out of it so the pig would need to survive combat. It's a really good card, but it's not something I want to cheat into play and it doesn't have an etb like prime time so I don't want to spend 5 mana on it.
It could turn out I'm wrong and it dodges enough removal that it can safely survive until your next turn, but I'm skeptical.
No? Godo attacks, you get one extra combat, Godo goes back at your endstep. And even if it went back at the end of combat or something like that Ilharg isn't a Samurai so it wouldn't untap to get to attack again.
No? Godo attacks, you get one extra combat, Godo goes back at your endstep. And even if it went back at the end of combat or something like that Ilharg isn't a Samurai so it wouldn't untap to get to attack again.
And Godo’s attack trigger doesn’t even happen because if he’s cheated in on another attacker’s attack declaration trigger he’s never declared as an attacker himself.
And Godo’s attack trigger doesn’t even happen because if he’s cheated in on another attack trigger he’s never declared as an attacker.
Indeed. Thank you for the clarification.
Since it seems to have come up several times in this thread: "When ~ attacks" means the creature must be declared as an attacker during the declare attackers step, during Combat. Those triggers are put on the stack immediately after that step so creatures put into play attacking, like with Ilharg, are neither declared as an attacker or in play in time for their trigger to go on the stack.
Edit: BTW are none of you standard players looking to bring Ghalta in with Bigpig? I mean we're in a format with shocks and that's 18 damage.
Fun fact: since the creature enters the battlefield attacking, it bypasses not only extra costs like Ghostly Prison but even restrictions like Defender.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
I assume that being a new object when it comes into play from ilharg the second time and after makes medomai never see the turn it's in as an extra?
Medomai's ability only prevents it from being declared an attacker and being put into play gets around that. It's a new object but that wouldn't effect its ability.
Yes but only if the boar is a samurai, has vigilance,(there will not be more triggers for godo unless you keep returning hin to your hand, and again the boar needs vigilance or be a samurai)(actually he don't even trigger, right, lol) or you just make alot of copies of Godo and kill the oponent 3 damage each time.
Miss remebered Godo trigger with Brago's trigger(on combat damage). Anyway, once u have a aditional combat phase and a way to return it to your hand (Crackleburr, Sage-Eye Avengers, Nimbus Champion, Cowardice, etc) you would get into infinite combat steps with the pig god putting it into play (needs vigilance) and then on the other combat step you resolves godo's trigger first, return it to hand and put it into play again(and godo needs a way to untap). This set up is better to do with Aurelia, the Warleader tho...
Once you have one extra combat step (if u had aurelia and attacked or other thing) you use something to return her to your hand, put her into play, after this u need to untap her, and once you attack again you return her to your hand somehow and put it into play with the boar trigger, then resolve aurelia's trigger, and keep doing it. (But it is easier to just use Medomai with the pig and brago with aurelia or godo)
This is a really, really sweet card:
It hits the mark flavor-wise, in that the Boar is bringing a lot of pain along with itself.
It hits the mark gameplay-wise, in that it's a fantastic body that is incredibly hard to remove (only mill does the trick?)
It hits the mark for casual play as well, because who doesn't like fatties?
Only downside is it's not Gruul colors, I have so many Durkwood Boars OG waiting for a master.
Private Mod Note
():
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
The "Crazy One", playing casual magic and occasionally dipping his toes into regular play since 1994.
Currently focusing on Pre-Modern (Mono-Black Discard Control) and Modern (Azorious Control, Temur Rhinos).
Find me at the Wizard's Tower in Ottawa every second Saturday afternoons.
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
So with Sensei's Divining Top you'll always have access to him.
You can even use your own Oblivion Stone or Nevinyrral's Disk or Perilous Vault and just not commit anything but Ilharg, the Raze-Boar.
The thing is that you don't even need to be putting bombs into play with him, just getting some reusable value is fine, ala Solemn Simulacrum, Imperial Recruiter.., and use him more for the bounce back to hand.
But a bomb or two is still good fun, I especially like;
Dream Pillager, Dragon Mage, Hellkite Tyrant, Bogardan Hellkite, Avatar of Slaughter, Balefire Dragon.
You can use Reality Scramble to basically make sure that you can get Ilharg, the Raze-Boar from the top cards of your library with some of your smaller creatures more quickly. The retrace on it makes it easy to just discard lands to keep putting him back into play.
Niv-Mizzet Reborn
Feather, the Redeemed
Estrid, the Masked
Teshar
Tymna/Ravos
Najeela, Blade-Blossom
Firesong & Sunspeaker
Zur the Enchanter
Lazav, the Multifarious
Ishai+Reyhan
Click images for decks->
-Prime Speaker Vannifar
---------------------Will & Rowan Kenrith
Correct. Exert is a choice made when a creature is declared as an attacker. If they are put into play attacking you cannot exert.
Time to dust off ol' Tiresides.
It could turn out I'm wrong and it dodges enough removal that it can safely survive until your next turn, but I'm skeptical.
Modern Tallowisp Spirits - A Modern Tallowisp Deck UW
Eldrazi Ninjas - Summoning Octopus Jutsu YYYYAAAHHHH!
STANDARD
Naban Wizards
No? Godo attacks, you get one extra combat, Godo goes back at your endstep. And even if it went back at the end of combat or something like that Ilharg isn't a Samurai so it wouldn't untap to get to attack again.
A. Crap, misread return to hand statement.
And Godo’s attack trigger doesn’t even happen because if he’s cheated in on another attacker’s attack declaration trigger he’s never declared as an attacker himself.
The looping companion we want is Medomai the Ageless
Let the Orzhov sneer all they want at the Gruul-- their religion turned out to be right all along.
I'm now trying to count the number of cards that are about to skyrocket in price because of this guy.
Indeed. Thank you for the clarification.
Since it seems to have come up several times in this thread: "When ~ attacks" means the creature must be declared as an attacker during the declare attackers step, during Combat. Those triggers are put on the stack immediately after that step so creatures put into play attacking, like with Ilharg, are neither declared as an attacker or in play in time for their trigger to go on the stack.
Edit: BTW are none of you standard players looking to bring Ghalta in with Bigpig? I mean we're in a format with shocks and that's 18 damage.
I assume that being a new object when it comes into play from ilharg the second time and after makes medomai never see the turn it's in as an extra?
He just skips it by being put into play.
Glad I got a few foil copies years ago, it was obvious Medomai would break *someday*.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Medomai's ability only prevents it from being declared an attacker and being put into play gets around that. It's a new object but that wouldn't effect its ability.
Yes but only if the boar is a samurai, has vigilance,(there will not be more triggers for godo unless you keep returning hin to your hand, and again the boar needs vigilance or be a samurai)(actually he don't even trigger, right, lol) or you just make alot of copies of Godo and kill the oponent 3 damage each time.Miss remebered Godo trigger with Brago's trigger(on combat damage). Anyway, once u have a aditional combat phase and a way to return it to your hand (Crackleburr, Sage-Eye Avengers, Nimbus Champion, Cowardice, etc) you would get into infinite combat steps with the pig god putting it into play (needs vigilance) and then on the other combat step you resolves godo's trigger first, return it to hand and put it into play again(and godo needs a way to untap). This set up is better to do with Aurelia, the Warleader tho...
Once you have one extra combat step (if u had aurelia and attacked or other thing) you use something to return her to your hand, put her into play, after this u need to untap her, and once you attack again you return her to your hand somehow and put it into play with the boar trigger, then resolve aurelia's trigger, and keep doing it. (But it is easier to just use Medomai with the pig and brago with aurelia or godo)
It hits the mark flavor-wise, in that the Boar is bringing a lot of pain along with itself.
It hits the mark gameplay-wise, in that it's a fantastic body that is incredibly hard to remove (only mill does the trick?)
It hits the mark for casual play as well, because who doesn't like fatties?
Only downside is it's not Gruul colors, I have so many Durkwood Boars OG waiting for a master.
Currently focusing on Pre-Modern (Mono-Black Discard Control) and Modern (Azorious Control, Temur Rhinos).
Find me at the Wizard's Tower in Ottawa every second Saturday afternoons.