We already have a Jund planeswalker, you know. I am talking about Windgrace. Also Esper, Grixis, Temur and Bant.
However, Abzan, Mardu, Jeskai and Sultai slots are still empty.
I think it's a good opportunity to print Ajani in Naya colors. Maybe Mardu Sorin. Don't forget, the colors of walkers in this set will overlap their previous color identity with at least one color each, but I assume it also means some new colors will be added. Rakdos Tibalt is almost 100% confirmed.
PS. And yes, I personally would like to see Davriel Cane in Esper colors.
Don't forget, the colors of walkers in this set will overlap their previous color identity with at least one color each
Out of curiosity has this been officially stated for this set, officially stated as a general rule for planeswalkers, or just seems so-likely-it-can-be-presumed based on precedent?
I would love to see them flip a planeswalker completely on his/her head. Hoping that when Elspeth returns she comes back mono-black. Or would be fascinating for an older walker to have been ‘brainwashed’ or ‘converted’ into an entirely different color set.
I would love to see them flip a planeswalker completely on his/her head. Hoping that when Elspeth returns she comes back mono-black. Or would be fascinating for an older walker to have been ‘brainwashed’ or ‘converted’ into an entirely different color set.
That would be interesting, but seems pretty unlikely considering the art we've seen so far. Unless the planeswalker in a hat is secretly a known character (Elspeth with a mask), nobody looks like they've radically changed since last we saw them. Sorin being peachy is the only real exception.
I would love to see them flip a planeswalker completely on his/her head. Hoping that when Elspeth returns she comes back mono-black. Or would be fascinating for an older walker to have been ‘brainwashed’ or ‘converted’ into an entirely different color set.
That would be interesting, but seems pretty unlikely considering the art we've seen so far. Unless the planeswalker in a hat is secretly a known character (Elspeth with a mask), nobody looks like they've radically changed since last we saw them. Sorin being peachy is the only real exception.
Silly idea is that Sorin somehow managed to planeswalk while still in the stone its hilarious but highly unlikely they would print a planeswalker like that, but yeah looked like he was moving in the glass so he must of somehow broken the stone.
I would love to see them flip a planeswalker completely on his/her head. Hoping that when Elspeth returns she comes back mono-black. Or would be fascinating for an older walker to have been ‘brainwashed’ or ‘converted’ into an entirely different color set.
Elspeth returning from the dead would be a good opportunity for this, though even then WB seems more likely than monoblack. The general presentation of Planeswalkers heavily implies inherent power over learned technique (ala D&D Wizards). The moment of sparking is described as a transformation from within. I think PWs are intended to have an intrinsic color identity because of this. It can shift to a degree, but fully reversing it seems out of concept.
Don't forget, the colors of walkers in this set will overlap their previous color identity with at least one color each
Out of curiosity has this been officially stated for this set, officially stated as a general rule for planeswalkers, or just seems so-likely-it-can-be-presumed based on precedent?
I would love to see them flip a planeswalker completely on his/her head. Hoping that when Elspeth returns she comes back mono-black. Or would be fascinating for an older walker to have been ‘brainwashed’ or ‘converted’ into an entirely different color set.
I didn't see anyone else respond to you, so here are the links from MaRo confirming that every planeswalker in this set (except Karn and Ugin) will share at least one color with each previous incarnation:
While I'm more aligned with this prediction than the one before I hardly see Teyo as WR, he is described as using his shield-magic to defend his people and nothing in that resonate with Red (both in flavor and in mechanics), as I stated in another thread U and G already has given us a lot of defensive spells and effect granting hexproof and the like. IMO the only switch I'd do to your list is switch Teyo to UG and Hat-Lady (or maybe the other new girl) to WR.
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Have t o say that the "Proudmoore" walker doesn't seem to have a mono-white color scheme. WU may be? But that would put too many Azorius planeswalkers in standard, especially if both Dovin and Teferi are still Azorius colored.
I wonder if we will see more mono-colored walkers in order to make them better playable in a limited environment that might not have all the color fixing the previous 2 Ravnica sets had.
I mean, for pre-release they gave some guild-seeded boosters together with the regular ones, right? For this one there isn't any specific information about that and having an overabundance of multi-colored planeswalkers could make it hard for players to make them fit in their limited decks.
Same for draft. It would suck to have a planeswalkers-matter set and not find any planeswalker to pick up that fits into the colors you are drafting without having to splash extra colors just for them.
With every booster seeded with one planeswalker, I doubt we will see the guildgates making a return in the basic land spot and if they did, this time we would have 10 different gates instead of 5.
With every booster seeded with one planeswalker, I doubt we will see the guildgates making a return in the basic land spot and if they did, this time we would have 10 different gates instead of 5.
That would make this set Dragons Maze but with planeswlakers.... Hold on, that's exactly what this set is.
With every booster seeded with one planeswalker, I doubt we will see the guildgates making a return in the basic land spot and if they did, this time we would have 10 different gates instead of 5.
That would make this set Dragons Maze but with planeswlakers.... Hold on, that's exactly what this set is.
Slightly different when you remove all guild mechanics.
With every booster seeded with one planeswalker, I doubt we will see the guildgates making a return in the basic land spot and if they did, this time we would have 10 different gates instead of 5.
That would make this set Dragons Maze but with planeswlakers.... Hold on, that's exactly what this set is.
Slightly different when you remove all guild mechanics.
Do we know they're removing guild mechanics? I didn't know that.
While I'm more aligned with this prediction than the one before I hardly see Teyo as WR, he is described as using his shield-magic to defend his people and nothing in that resonate with Red (both in flavor and in mechanics), as I stated in another thread U and G already has given us a lot of defensive spells and effect granting hexproof and the like. IMO the only switch I'd do to your list is switch Teyo to UG and Hat-Lady (or maybe the other new girl) to WR.
My reasoning for him is that his magic reminds me of Gideon's quite a bit with his indestructibility and always protecting his friends and Gideon was mostly aligned with the Boros legion.
Have t o say that the "Proudmoore" walker doesn't seem to have a mono-white color scheme. WU may be? But that would put too many Azorius planeswalkers in standard, especially if both Dovin and Teferi are still Azorius colored.
I also see her as WU, but like you said, there's way too many of those, plus she seems very soldier like which are usually mono W so I kind of shoehorned her in there.
While I'm more aligned with this prediction than the one before I hardly see Teyo as WR, he is described as using his shield-magic to defend his people and nothing in that resonate with Red (both in flavor and in mechanics), as I stated in another thread U and G already has given us a lot of defensive spells and effect granting hexproof and the like. IMO the only switch I'd do to your list is switch Teyo to UG and Hat-Lady (or maybe the other new girl) to WR.
My reasoning for him is that his magic reminds me of Gideon's quite a bit with his indestructibility and always protecting his friends and Gideon was mostly aligned with the Boros legion.
While that is true, Gideon never was red white. Additionally he has some disagreements with Aurelia. He was with the Boros because of the army/soldier theme they have. They needed help to finish some mission, too. I think something like protecting the guildless.
I think Teyos magic is different, too. Not as strong as Gildons personal shield but at a larger area. He seems too calm, concentrated and emotionless in the picture. I think he is supporting multiple fights in the same time. I can't see any red-stuff (color or emotions) like on Nahiri, Sorin, Tibalt, Chandra, Ral.
If anything Gideon would be BW due to Blackblade corruption and getting close to Lili lol.
I mean based on Maro's comments I figure some Walkers will pick up a third color this set.
Slightly different when you remove all guild mechanics.
Do we know they're removing guild mechanics? I didn't know that.
I’m pretty sure Rosewater has commented on it in his podcast. But he almost doesn’t have to. All sets are standalone now and the guild mechanics are not evergreen (only Convoke is deciduous), so there’s little chance of them showing up. I can’t imagine a standalone set with 10 unique mechanics AND a boatload of Planeswalkers fitting their modern limits on set complexity.
It does raise the interesting question of what mechanics we will get. People have wondered how Planeswalkers will be kept in check in limited; there could be a mechanic for it. Imagine “Mage-Hunter X” which is “when this creature attacks, it deals X damage to each Planeswalker an opponent controls.”
BR: Tibalt, Angrath BW: Sorin, Kaya BG: Vraska, Hat Lady BU: Ashiok, Devriel UW: Dovin, Not Elspeth UG: Kiora, Nissa UR: Saheeli, Ral RW: Huatli, Nahiri RG: Domri, Arlin GW: Ajani,Samut U: Jace, Teferi R: Chandra, Jaya G: Vivien, Jiang W: Gideon, Teyo B: Liliana, Ob C: Karn, Ugin
That's even color distribution and takes 32 slots, leaving 4 spaces for three color cards: BRU: Bolas RWU: Narset RUG: Sarkhan UWG: Tamiyo
Edit: Locking in my predictions. It would be highly unlikely that it's completely accurate, but I bet it's not too far off.
Not a bad distribution of PWs across colors and pairs, though I personally would expect a BRG Sarkhan rather than GUR (yes, he got a GUR card in DTK, but he was almost BRG, which would have color balanced with Narset Transcendent nicely). And it would kinda bug me if Ob got yet another monoblack card, since he's supposed to be BR as well, though obviously leaning more black versus Tibalt leaning more red. Samut's core color is red, and per Maro's words each of the 36 PWs shares at least one color with their past cards. Huatli would be the second GW PW if anyone. I could see Samut as a RW. Hat Lady looks white more than any other color.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
I'd be kind of miffed if Tamiyo wound up being Bant again, that felt like something they pushed on her to avoid messing with the color balance, not something that she should be locked into. Granted I'm not sure if her being Azorius or Simic this time would be very good, as the first has too many as it is and I'm not a big fan of the second for her though I could see it.
However, Abzan, Mardu, Jeskai and Sultai slots are still empty.
I think it's a good opportunity to print Ajani in Naya colors. Maybe Mardu Sorin. Don't forget, the colors of walkers in this set will overlap their previous color identity with at least one color each, but I assume it also means some new colors will be added. Rakdos Tibalt is almost 100% confirmed.
PS. And yes, I personally would like to see Davriel Cane in Esper colors.
Out of curiosity has this been officially stated for this set, officially stated as a general rule for planeswalkers, or just seems so-likely-it-can-be-presumed based on precedent?
I would love to see them flip a planeswalker completely on his/her head. Hoping that when Elspeth returns she comes back mono-black. Or would be fascinating for an older walker to have been ‘brainwashed’ or ‘converted’ into an entirely different color set.
That would be interesting, but seems pretty unlikely considering the art we've seen so far. Unless the planeswalker in a hat is secretly a known character (Elspeth with a mask), nobody looks like they've radically changed since last we saw them. Sorin being peachy is the only real exception.
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2 of each color pair-20 walkers
2 of each mono color-10 walkers
2 colorless
1 Bolas
Would leave 3. Maybe 3 more tricolor?
Silly idea is that Sorin somehow managed to planeswalk while still in the stone its hilarious but highly unlikely they would print a planeswalker like that, but yeah looked like he was moving in the glass so he must of somehow broken the stone.
I'm going to counter your prediction with my own,
BR: Tibalt, Angrath
WB: Sorin, Kaya
BG: Vraska, Vivien
UB: Ashiok, Davriel
WU: Dovin, Teferi
UG: Kiora, Hat Lady
UR: Saheeli, Ral
WR: Teyo, Nahiri
RG: Domri, Arlinn
WG: Ajani, Huatli
U: Jace, Tamiyo
R: Chandra, Jaya
G: Nissa, Jiang
W: Gideon, Proudmoore
B: Liliana, Ob
C: Karn, Ugin
UBR: Bolas
WUR: Narset
BRG: Sarkhan
WRG: Samut
Elspeth returning from the dead would be a good opportunity for this, though even then WB seems more likely than monoblack. The general presentation of Planeswalkers heavily implies inherent power over learned technique (ala D&D Wizards). The moment of sparking is described as a transformation from within. I think PWs are intended to have an intrinsic color identity because of this. It can shift to a degree, but fully reversing it seems out of concept.
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/183339907438/none-of-the-planeswalkers-in-war-of-the-spark
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/183338766428/can-you-tell-us-if-some-of-the-planeswalker-will
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/183345633968/none-of-the-planeswalkers-in-war-of-the-spark
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/183345415998/oh-i-think-i-get-it-so-for-each-planeswalker
While I'm more aligned with this prediction than the one before I hardly see Teyo as WR, he is described as using his shield-magic to defend his people and nothing in that resonate with Red (both in flavor and in mechanics), as I stated in another thread U and G already has given us a lot of defensive spells and effect granting hexproof and the like. IMO the only switch I'd do to your list is switch Teyo to UG and Hat-Lady (or maybe the other new girl) to WR.
I wonder if we will see more mono-colored walkers in order to make them better playable in a limited environment that might not have all the color fixing the previous 2 Ravnica sets had.
I mean, for pre-release they gave some guild-seeded boosters together with the regular ones, right? For this one there isn't any specific information about that and having an overabundance of multi-colored planeswalkers could make it hard for players to make them fit in their limited decks.
Same for draft. It would suck to have a planeswalkers-matter set and not find any planeswalker to pick up that fits into the colors you are drafting without having to splash extra colors just for them.
With every booster seeded with one planeswalker, I doubt we will see the guildgates making a return in the basic land spot and if they did, this time we would have 10 different gates instead of 5.
That would make this set Dragons Maze but with planeswlakers.... Hold on, that's exactly what this set is.
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Slightly different when you remove all guild mechanics.
Do we know they're removing guild mechanics? I didn't know that.
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My reasoning for him is that his magic reminds me of Gideon's quite a bit with his indestructibility and always protecting his friends and Gideon was mostly aligned with the Boros legion.
I also see her as WU, but like you said, there's way too many of those, plus she seems very soldier like which are usually mono W so I kind of shoehorned her in there.
While that is true, Gideon never was red white. Additionally he has some disagreements with Aurelia. He was with the Boros because of the army/soldier theme they have. They needed help to finish some mission, too. I think something like protecting the guildless.
I think Teyos magic is different, too. Not as strong as Gildons personal shield but at a larger area. He seems too calm, concentrated and emotionless in the picture. I think he is supporting multiple fights in the same time. I can't see any red-stuff (color or emotions) like on Nahiri, Sorin, Tibalt, Chandra, Ral.
I really like that prediction
do you think they would use this as a change to print a few 4 colour walkers?
I mean based on Maro's comments I figure some Walkers will pick up a third color this set.
I’m pretty sure Rosewater has commented on it in his podcast. But he almost doesn’t have to. All sets are standalone now and the guild mechanics are not evergreen (only Convoke is deciduous), so there’s little chance of them showing up. I can’t imagine a standalone set with 10 unique mechanics AND a boatload of Planeswalkers fitting their modern limits on set complexity.
It does raise the interesting question of what mechanics we will get. People have wondered how Planeswalkers will be kept in check in limited; there could be a mechanic for it. Imagine “Mage-Hunter X” which is “when this creature attacks, it deals X damage to each Planeswalker an opponent controls.”
Not a bad distribution of PWs across colors and pairs, though I personally would expect a BRG Sarkhan rather than GUR (yes, he got a GUR card in DTK, but he was almost BRG, which would have color balanced with Narset Transcendent nicely). And it would kinda bug me if Ob got yet another monoblack card, since he's supposed to be BR as well, though obviously leaning more black versus Tibalt leaning more red. Samut's core color is red, and per Maro's words each of the 36 PWs shares at least one color with their past cards. Huatli would be the second GW PW if anyone. I could see Samut as a RW. Hat Lady looks white more than any other color.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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