That is *extremely* fascinating and could range anywhere from "why did I play that card?" to "this is me winning the game". With the right etb effects thing could get...weird...quickly.
One presumes that the flip win condition must be chosen as the trigger goes on the stack and cannot be changed.
This actually seems REALLY good (for Casual and EDH). Over the long haul I think I'm happy to spend a little more upfront compared to Minion Reflector/Flameshadow Conjuring) to have the trigger be free, even if the trigger is 50% to do nothing. After all, the flipside is this has some percentage chance to just end the game. While this is an obvious all-star in Okaun, Eye of Chaos I think it has a puncher's chance in a lot of R/x value-oriented midrange decks. I will be trying it out in a few places, that's for sure.
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For thise interested, here's the odds of getting at least a certain number of clones. (The chance with Krark's Thumb is in parentheses.) I added The chance of getting 20 because it's literally one in a million without Krark's Thumb.
You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
Clever Impersonator? Have it enter, copy the enchantment? Have every copy copy the enchantment?
I want to see this happen.
Wouldn't this just give you one additional Mirror March? The Impersonator's not entering the battlefield as a creature, so the original Mirror March is never triggered.
Clever Impersonator? Have it enter, copy the enchantment? Have every copy copy the enchantment?
I want to see this happen.
It won't trigger since it will be an enchantment not a creature. You need to throw in a opalescense or starfield of nix (or march of the machines plus mycrosynth lattice if you want to stay blue red and make everyone hate you for blowing the land).
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Step 1, cast Mirror Gallery. Step 2, cast March of the Machines. Step 3, cast Opalescence. Step 4, cast Dual Nature getting a total of 2 because it triggers itself since it is a creature. Step 5, cast Krark's Thumb, and stack the triggers so you get the tokens from Dual Nature before resolving the trigger from Mirror Match. You will get to flip 8 coins each time to try to win 1. Let's say you end up with 9 extra Krark's Thumbs, for 12 total because you're fairly lucky.
Step 6, cast Doubling Season and stack the same way as for the thumb. When the 1st Dual Nature trigger resolves, you will get 2 Doubling Season tokens. When the 2nd Dual Nature trigger resolves, you will get 8 (2^3) more tokens for a total of 11 Doubling Seasons. Now you resolve the Mirror Match trigger. You have 12 Thumbs on the battlefield, which means you flip 4096 (2^12) coins and keep 1 for each flip. The odds of you losing any particular flip are 1/(2^4096) power. I almost forgot to mention that you might need to bring along a very powerful computer to simulate this, as 2^4096 can be rewritten as (2^512)^8, where 2^512 approximately equals the number 134 followed by 152 zeroes.
Why does a card that is completely at the whim of the RNGod cost 6 mana?
There is always the infinitesimal but real chance of going Splinter-Twin-ish with this and any one creature, the later it enters, the less bad it feels to lose to sheer dumb luck.
Why does a card that is completely at the whim of the RNGod cost 6 mana?
There is always the infinitesimal but real chance of going Splinter-Twin-ish with this and any one creature, the later it enters, the less bad it feels to lose to sheer dumb luck.
There is absolutely no frakkin change in ‘bad feels’ to loseing to this turn 4 than turn 6. Decevier-Twin and Saheeli Copy-Cat decks gave you full control on when the limitless copying happened. This doesn’t, even with Krark’s Thumb. No effect that you have zero control over should cost alot specifically because you can’t mitigate it. They should cost less because of it, not more.
I'm convinced the only reason people play big, red, and random spells like this is that 7/10s of the time their opponents just scoop rather than sit there bored out of their skulls watching triggers and interactions happen.
Step 1, cast Mirror Gallery. Step 2, cast March of the Machines. Step 3, cast Opalescence. Step 4, cast Dual Nature getting a total of 2 because it triggers itself since it is a creature. Step 5, cast Krark's Thumb, and stack the triggers so you get the tokens from Dual Nature before resolving the trigger from Mirror Match. You will get to flip 8 coins each time to try to win 1. Let's say you end up with 9 extra Krark's Thumbs, for 12 total because you're fairly lucky.
Step 6, cast Doubling Season and stack the same way as for the thumb. When the 1st Dual Nature trigger resolves, you will get 2 Doubling Season tokens. When the 2nd Dual Nature trigger resolves, you will get 8 (2^3) more tokens for a total of 11 Doubling Seasons. Now you resolve the Mirror Match trigger. You have 12 Thumbs on the battlefield, which means you flip 4096 (2^12) coins and keep 1 for each flip. The odds of you losing any particular flip are 1/(2^4096) power. I almost forgot to mention that you might need to bring along a very powerful computer to simulate this, as 2^4096 can be rewritten as (2^512)^8, where 2^512 approximately equals the number 134 followed by 152 zeroes.
Step 7, profit!!
The fact that this strategy is coming from someone named "Pants_On_head" cannot be understated. I applaud you, sir.
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One presumes that the flip win condition must be chosen as the trigger goes on the stack and cannot be changed.
The fact that I can flip a coin to make copies of Rakdos to flip a bunch more coins is just gravy.
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RGWGahiji, the Honored Group Hug MonsterRGW
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Also, someone has to mention Krark's Thumb, Chance Encounter and the Commander Duo of Okaun and Zndrsplt.
For thise interested, here's the odds of getting at least a certain number of clones. (The chance with Krark's Thumb is in parentheses.) I added The chance of getting 20 because it's literally one in a million without Krark's Thumb.
1 - 1/2 - (3/4)
2 - 1/4 - (9/16)
3 - 1/8 - (27/64)
4 - 1/16 - (81/256)
5 - 1/32 - (243/1024)
6 - 1/64 - (729/4096)
7 - 1/128 - (2187/16384)
8 - 1/256 - (6561/65536)
9 - 1/512 - (19683/262144)
10 - 1/1024 - (59049/1048576)
...
20 - 1/1048576 (3486784401/1099511627776)
1 - 50% (75%)
2 - 25% (56.25%)
3 - 12.5% (42.18%)
4 - 6.25% (31.64%)
5 - 3.12% (23.73%)
6 - 1.56% (17.80%)
7 - 0.78% (13.35%)
8 - 0.39% (10.01%)
9 - 0.20% (7.51%)
10 - 0.10% (5.63%)
...
20 - 0.001% (0.32%)
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Cat.
Don't ask, I don't know why ether...
Mirror Gallery.
I̟̥͍̠ͅn̩͉̣͍̬͚ͅ ̬̬͖t̯̹̞̺͖͓̯̤h̘͍̬e͙̯͈̖̼̮ ̭̬f̺̲̲̪i͙͉̟̩̰r̪̝͚͈̝̥͍̝̲s̼̻͇̘̳͔ͅt̲̺̳̗̜̪̙ ̳̺̥̻͚̗ͅm̜̜̟̰͈͓͎͇o̝̖̮̝͇m̯̻̞̼̫̗͓̤e̩̯̬̮̩n͎̱̪̲̹͖t͇̖s̰̮ͅ,̤̲͙̻̭̻̯̹̰ ̖t̫̙̺̯͖͚̯ͅh͙̯̦̳̗̰̟e͖̪͉̼̯ ̪͕g̞̣͔a̗̦t̬̬͓͙̫̖̭̻e̩̻̯ ̜̖̦̖̤̭͙̬t̞̹̥̪͎͉ͅo͕͚͍͇̲͇͓̺ ̭̬͙͈̣̻t͈͍͙͓̫̖͙̩h̪̬̖̙e̗͈ ̗̬̟̞̺̤͉̯ͅa̦̯͚̙̜̮f͉͙̲̣̞̼t̪̤̞̣͚e̲͉̳̥r͇̪̙͚͓l̥̞̞͎̹̯̹ͅi͓̬f̮̥̬̞͈ͅe͎ ̟̩̤̳̠̯̩̯o̮̘̲p̟͚̣̞͉͓e͍̩̣n͔̼͕͚̜e̬̱d̼̘͎̖̹͍̮̠,͖̺̭̱̮ ̣̲͖̬̪̭̥a̪͚n̟̲̝̤̤̞̗d̘̱̗͇̮͕̳͕͔ ͖̞͉͎t̹̙͎h̰̱͉̗e̪̞̱̝̹̩ͅ ̠̱̩̭̦p̯̙e͓o̳͚̰̯̺̱̰͔̘p̬͎̱̣̼̩͇l̗̟̖͚̠e̱͉͔̱̦̬̟̙ ̖͚̪͔̼̦w̺̖̤̱e͖̗̻̦͓̖̘̜r̭̥e͔̹̫̱͕̦̰͕ ̗͔̠p̠̗͍͍̱̳̠r̰͔͎̰o͉̥͓̰͚̥s̟͚̹̱͔̣t͉̙̳̖͖̪̮r̥̘̥͙̹a͉̟̫̟̳̠̟̭t͈̜̰͈͎e̞̣̭̲̬ ͚̗̯̟͙i͍͖̰̘̦͖͉ṇ̮̻̯̦̲̩͍ ̦̮͚̫̤t͉͖̫͕ͅͅh͙̮̻̘̣̮̼e͕̺ ͙l͕̠͎̰̥i̲͓͉̲g̫̳̟͈͇̖h̠̦̖t͓̯͎̗ ̳̪̘̟̙̩̦o̫̲f̙͔̰̙̠ ̹̪̗͇̯t͖̼̼͉͖̬h̹͇̩e͚̖̺̤͉̹͕̪ ͚͓̭̝̺G͎̗̯̩o̫̯̮̟̮̳̘d̜̲͙̠-̩̳̯̲̗̜P̹̘̥͉̝h͍͈̗̖̝ͅa͍̗̮̼̗r̜̖͇̙̺a̭̺͔̞̳͈o̪̣͓̯̬͙̯̰̗h̖̦͈̥̯͔.͇̣̙̝
I want to see this happen.
"I hope to have such a death... lying in triumph atop the broken bodies of those who slew me..."
You solely play Modern. For you, literally 95% of every set is worthless.
"I hope to have such a death... lying in triumph atop the broken bodies of those who slew me..."
Wouldn't this just give you one additional Mirror March? The Impersonator's not entering the battlefield as a creature, so the original Mirror March is never triggered.
It won't trigger since it will be an enchantment not a creature. You need to throw in a opalescense or starfield of nix (or march of the machines plus mycrosynth lattice if you want to stay blue red and make everyone hate you for blowing the land).
Step 1, cast Mirror Gallery. Step 2, cast March of the Machines. Step 3, cast Opalescence. Step 4, cast Dual Nature getting a total of 2 because it triggers itself since it is a creature. Step 5, cast Krark's Thumb, and stack the triggers so you get the tokens from Dual Nature before resolving the trigger from Mirror Match. You will get to flip 8 coins each time to try to win 1. Let's say you end up with 9 extra Krark's Thumbs, for 12 total because you're fairly lucky.
Step 6, cast Doubling Season and stack the same way as for the thumb. When the 1st Dual Nature trigger resolves, you will get 2 Doubling Season tokens. When the 2nd Dual Nature trigger resolves, you will get 8 (2^3) more tokens for a total of 11 Doubling Seasons. Now you resolve the Mirror Match trigger. You have 12 Thumbs on the battlefield, which means you flip 4096 (2^12) coins and keep 1 for each flip. The odds of you losing any particular flip are 1/(2^4096) power. I almost forgot to mention that you might need to bring along a very powerful computer to simulate this, as 2^4096 can be rewritten as (2^512)^8, where 2^512 approximately equals the number 134 followed by 152 zeroes.
Step 7, profit!!
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What exactly Kiki-Jiki can do with it?
Nothing. Hence why he was joking.
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The fact that this strategy is coming from someone named "Pants_On_head" cannot be understated. I applaud you, sir.