I now have my favorite flavor text of all time (to present). (I'm a big fan of both Teysa and Kaya and not a fan at all of the Obzedat.)
As for the card itself, 4-mana Wrath is 4-mana Wrath.
Quick rules question I never remember: if Teysa Karlov and death-trigger creatures are on the battlefield when this is resolved, will Teysa copy them? I think no, because Teysa is no longer on the battlefield, but thought I would check.
I now have my favorite flavor text of all time (to present). (I'm a big fan of both Teysa and Kaya and not a fan at all of the Obzedat.)
As for the card itself, 4-mana Wrath is 4-mana Wrath.
Quick rules question I never remember: if Teysa Karlov and death-trigger creatures are on the battlefield when this is resolved, will Teysa copy them? I think no, because Teysa is no longer on the battlefield, but thought I would check.
I think that, because all the deaths happen simultaneously and all of the deatg triggers are put onto the stack at that exact moment, Teysa will have been considered "on the battlefield" to see them, so they should get doubled. She won't be on the battlefield to see them resolve, but she doesn't need to be.
Perhaps Teysa's end game is to turn the Syndicate into a cooperative where formerly indebted spirits take the reins of the guild, with some kind of theme of empowerment to keep it black, just more equitably distributed. Still has the potential to go badly if the old plebians become the new patricians. But it would substantively contrast Teysa with the way the Ghost Council ran things.
Perhaps Teysa's end game is to turn the Syndicate into a cooperative where formerly indebted spirits take the reins of the guild, with some kind of theme of empowerment to keep it black, just more equitably distributed. Still has the potential to go badly if the old plebians become the new patricians. But it would substantively contrast Teysa with the way the Ghost Council ran things.
I _really_ can't see Teysa becoming a Distributist. And Distributism, as an economic theory, doesn't really match WB. I think it's much more likely that Teysa would curb the incredible shortsightedness of the Obzedat, but not make many other changes.
Its kinda sad how this is just a semi-worse Fumigate , more restrictive on the mana cost, so you really badly need to be in the ballpark for a 4 mana wrath without any colorless lands in your deck to justify this card.
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Could have wished for a much better card, but this is the Wrath we deserve, not the Wrath we wished for ...
Its kinda sad how this is just a semi-worse Fumigate , more restrictive on the mana cost, so you really badly need to be in the ballpark for a 4 mana wrath without any colorless lands in your deck to justify this card.
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I'm confused as to how the card can be worse than Fumigate when it costs 1 less. I guess you mean the effect is worse, which is true.
The difference between 5 and 4 mana for a wrath is really big - this will no doubt be a strong addition to Orzhov or (perhaps more likely) Esper control decks.
1 less but MUCH more color restrictive in a color set that isnt known for fixing mana very well...
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This seems like extra gravy on your fries if you have the Afterlife crew going. Gain life, kill the board and have some backup troops.
Not sure I ever play this over Cleansing Nova though, which lets me take care of various Seal Away or Conclave Tribunals or other annoyances. We'll see,
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Its kinda sad how this is just a semi-worse Fumigate , more restrictive on the mana cost, so you really badly need to be in the ballpark for a 4 mana wrath without any colorless lands in your deck to justify this card.
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I'm confused as to how the card can be worse than Fumigate when it costs 1 less. I guess you mean the effect is worse, which is true.
The difference between 5 and 4 mana for a wrath is really big - this will no doubt be a strong addition to Orzhov or (perhaps more likely) Esper control decks.
Having and any 3 other mana on turn 5 is much easier to do than having exactly on turn 4.
Perhaps Teysa's end game is to turn the Syndicate into a cooperative where formerly indebted spirits take the reins of the guild, with some kind of theme of empowerment to keep it black, just more equitably distributed. Still has the potential to go badly if the old plebians become the new patricians. But it would substantively contrast Teysa with the way the Ghost Council ran things.
I _really_ can't see Teysa becoming a Distributist. And Distributism, as an economic theory, doesn't really match WB. I think it's much more likely that Teysa would curb the incredible shortsightedness of the Obzedat, but not make many other changes.
I don't know if you have some specific jargon-y meaning in mind for the term "distributism," but whether or not it feels WB probably comes down more so to the rhetoric involved than any exact mapping of color themes onto real-world theories.
For example:
"To become the greatest of the guilds Orzhov must empower all of its members to realize greater excellence..." yadda yadda, where white accepts black equating power with virtue so long as the group as a whole gets the power, and black accepts white's terms here probably because the organizational structure provides opportunities for exploitation. This is already the case for the Orzhov ethos though it is, as you say, short-sighted.
But the real reason I'm foreseeing a plot development like this is because narratively, it makes sense with all the build up over the years of Teysa plotting against the Obzedat. If Orzhov doesn't go through any kind of meaty reforms in the fallout of the Obzedat's deaths and Teysa's eventual succession, what's the point? Orzhov is one of those definitely problematic guilds that flew under the radar compared to the shenanigans some of the other guilds got up to in the past but I think it's due for a bit of a makeover. And Teysa, Oppressive Capitalistic Ghost Council 2.0 would be a bit same-y. If the whole reason Teysa wanted to get rid of the Obzedat was purely for ambition, that'd make her a mono-black character. But if she has more complicated motives that makes her more interesting as a character and one who has grown since we first saw her.
Though based on some of the other content we're seeing with respect to Kaya, Teysa might be more conservative in the end than what I suggested. It depends on how the nature of their relationship bears out.
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Are you talking about Modern? Where this card won't see play? Or Standard? Shocks and Checks aren't that expensive. If you really want to, you can often get away with gates, taps, and basics at an FNM and do just fine.
On this card, I really like it. Not the nerfed Fumigate part, but the flavor and art are awesome, and I'll play it for sure.
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Shows how afraid of unconditional 4 CMC wraths WOTC is.
Well before that... ever since there was eternal formats
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As for the card itself, 4-mana Wrath is 4-mana Wrath.
Quick rules question I never remember: if Teysa Karlov and death-trigger creatures are on the battlefield when this is resolved, will Teysa copy them? I think no, because Teysa is no longer on the battlefield, but thought I would check.
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I _really_ can't see Teysa becoming a Distributist. And Distributism, as an economic theory, doesn't really match WB. I think it's much more likely that Teysa would curb the incredible shortsightedness of the Obzedat, but not make many other changes.
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1 less but MUCH more color restrictive in a color set that isnt known for fixing mana very well...
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Not sure I ever play this over Cleansing Nova though, which lets me take care of various Seal Away or Conclave Tribunals or other annoyances. We'll see,
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Having and any 3 other mana on turn 5 is much easier to do than having exactly on turn 4.
I don't know if you have some specific jargon-y meaning in mind for the term "distributism," but whether or not it feels WB probably comes down more so to the rhetoric involved than any exact mapping of color themes onto real-world theories.
For example:
"To become the greatest of the guilds Orzhov must empower all of its members to realize greater excellence..." yadda yadda, where white accepts black equating power with virtue so long as the group as a whole gets the power, and black accepts white's terms here probably because the organizational structure provides opportunities for exploitation. This is already the case for the Orzhov ethos though it is, as you say, short-sighted.
But the real reason I'm foreseeing a plot development like this is because narratively, it makes sense with all the build up over the years of Teysa plotting against the Obzedat. If Orzhov doesn't go through any kind of meaty reforms in the fallout of the Obzedat's deaths and Teysa's eventual succession, what's the point? Orzhov is one of those definitely problematic guilds that flew under the radar compared to the shenanigans some of the other guilds got up to in the past but I think it's due for a bit of a makeover. And Teysa, Oppressive Capitalistic Ghost Council 2.0 would be a bit same-y. If the whole reason Teysa wanted to get rid of the Obzedat was purely for ambition, that'd make her a mono-black character. But if she has more complicated motives that makes her more interesting as a character and one who has grown since we first saw her.
Though based on some of the other content we're seeing with respect to Kaya, Teysa might be more conservative in the end than what I suggested. It depends on how the nature of their relationship bears out.
Are you talking about Modern? Where this card won't see play? Or Standard? Shocks and Checks aren't that expensive. If you really want to, you can often get away with gates, taps, and basics at an FNM and do just fine.
On this card, I really like it. Not the nerfed Fumigate part, but the flavor and art are awesome, and I'll play it for sure.