Rules question: Do creatures that enter the battlefield tapped trigger this enchantment's ability? Entering the battlefield with counters is treated as if those counters are being placed on that permanent, so I wonder if the same logic applies here.
Rules question: Do creatures that enter the battlefield tapped trigger this enchantment's ability? Entering the battlefield with counters is treated as if those counters are being placed on that permanent, so I wonder if the same logic applies here.
No. To "become tapped" it must go from "untapped" to "tapped". It was never untapped so it never became tapped.
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Woah, that is a really cool effect. Both Tamiyos get ridiculous with this. Choking Tethers and Downpour become absolutely beastly swings. Opposition becomes a source of a lot of draws. *****, even Lorthos becomes even more Timmy goodness. Even the Planeswalker Deck Dovin looks more interesting with this card in mind (I mean, not to the point where that Dovin is actually powerful, but still). Mind Over Matter just becomes ... well it was already degenerate and this only amplifies that. Even if you don't have any immediate cards in play to tap things, it'll make your opponent think twice before tapping utility creatures and it has its own innefficient source of tapping to draw you closer to your engine if need be.
I love when new effects like this are designed that tap into space we really haven't gotten into before because it takes a simple mechanic (tapping down opponent's creatures) that we have seen in the game for decades and gives us a reason to view it differently. When Depose//Deploy was spoiled, most of us disregarded the Depose half as good but not typically why you'd run it, Verity Circle gives someone a reason to consider it. Your mileage may vary on that, but I'm just elated that a card design makes players take a look at cards with generally underpowered effects with new appreciation.
As someone who is a huge Teysa fanboy, the only tear I am shedding is one of anger.
You can't play this in a Teysa deck!
This whole set is a middle finger to the Orzhov. This card is the tip of that middle finger.
Awful mechanic, awful cards, one of the worst planeswalkers ever, and now even the things they're known for are color shifted. I won't be participating in the prerelease nor will I be purchasing cards from the set. I'm sure it won't matter in the long run, but it's really insulting.
As someone who is a huge Teysa fanboy, the only tear I am shedding is one of anger.
You can't play this in a Teysa deck!
This whole set is a middle finger to the Orzhov. This card is the tip of that middle finger.
Awful mechanic, awful cards, one of the worst planeswalkers ever, and now even the things they're known for are color shifted. I won't be participating in the prerelease nor will I be purchasing cards from the set. I'm sure it won't matter in the long run, but it's really insulting.
Definitely a flavor fail to not be able to play this in a Teysa deck, but the effect is absolutely blue. Cool card, nice flavor callback despite the fail.
Rules question: Do creatures that enter the battlefield tapped trigger this enchantment's ability? Entering the battlefield with counters is treated as if those counters are being placed on that permanent, so I wonder if the same logic applies here.
No. To "become tapped" it must go from "untapped" to "tapped". It was never untapped so it never became tapped.
Why is blue getting all the overpowered cards.. Dear WOTC, w/u control does not need a buff!! Mixed feelings cos I like simic, but dayum. Hi Tempest Caller
I guarantee you this card is not going in UW control.
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Why is blue getting all the overpowered cards.. Dear WOTC, w/u control does not need a buff!! Mixed feelings cos I like simic, but dayum. Hi Tempest Caller
I guarantee you this card is not going in UW control.
People who hate control never play with it enough to know what is and isn't a good control card. We get a lot of comments like this during spoiler season.
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For real. Even if it only affected creatures that tap for mana, it would be deceptively powerful - most EDH decks that can run creatures to ramp. The additional potency of getting draws off of utility tapping (particularly off of creatures/commanders that players want to tap every turn like Kiki-Jiki, Vannifar, Yisan, Krenko, Feldon, Ghoulcaller Gisa, Azami, Hanna, Gwafa Hazid, Vona, and so many others) ensures that you're going to get a lot of value. Multiplayer games will inevitably have many creatures tapped for reasons other than for attacking, in my playgroup this card could (with no other investment on my part) draw 4-6 cards each turn around the table.
Also, this with Nature's Revolt is a hilariously janky way of drawing a ton of cards for those with an eye for eccentric combos. (me)
Can someone explain why people are upset about the flavor/lore of this card? Is it because Teysa used it that people think it should be a white card?
It was her signature trick, she used it several times to get information that she needed from her opposition, and flavor wise this effect is easily justified as a white card as it is a taxing effect, and white shares "Tapping" as an effect with blue.
Those who remember Teysa's abilities in the Guildpact novel, you are allowed to shed a tear
Let this great clan rest in peace (2001-2011)
You can't play this in a Teysa deck!
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The Gitrog Monster
Gonti, Lord of Luxury
Shogun Saskia
Hive World
Atraxa hates fun
Abzan
If this didn't say "if it isn't being declared as an attacker" it would be busted as hell.
REALLY REALLY good with Sleep effects.
-Chandra Nalaar
Second ability is a bit on the specific side but it would be a fine card without that so it’s just bonus.
Also: Kripp is getting magic spoilers now? They’re really pushing hard on the whole getting Hearthstone content makers into Magic thing.
Totally doesn't reek of a desperate middle manager following trends from 4 years ago does it?
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Shogun Saskia
Hive World
Atraxa hates fun
Abzan
The activation cost is quite high,
but it does net you a card each time.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
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I love when new effects like this are designed that tap into space we really haven't gotten into before because it takes a simple mechanic (tapping down opponent's creatures) that we have seen in the game for decades and gives us a reason to view it differently. When Depose//Deploy was spoiled, most of us disregarded the Depose half as good but not typically why you'd run it, Verity Circle gives someone a reason to consider it. Your mileage may vary on that, but I'm just elated that a card design makes players take a look at cards with generally underpowered effects with new appreciation.
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Excellion
Fracture: Israfiel (WBR), Wujal (URG), Valedon (GUB), Amduat (BGW), Paladris (RWU)
Collision (Set Two of the Fracture Block)
Quest for the Forsaken (Set Two of the Excellion Block)
Katingal: Plane of Chains
This whole set is a middle finger to the Orzhov. This card is the tip of that middle finger.
Awful mechanic, awful cards, one of the worst planeswalkers ever, and now even the things they're known for are color shifted. I won't be participating in the prerelease nor will I be purchasing cards from the set. I'm sure it won't matter in the long run, but it's really insulting.
Ironically, amazing against it also.
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Rona, Disciple of Gix
Tiana the Auror
Hallar
Ulrich the Politician
Zur the Rebel
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"Non-Tribal" Tribal Generals, Eggs
Afterlife awful? HAHAHAHA
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Thanks, good to know.
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People who hate control never play with it enough to know what is and isn't a good control card. We get a lot of comments like this during spoiler season.
For real. Even if it only affected creatures that tap for mana, it would be deceptively powerful - most EDH decks that can run creatures to ramp. The additional potency of getting draws off of utility tapping (particularly off of creatures/commanders that players want to tap every turn like Kiki-Jiki, Vannifar, Yisan, Krenko, Feldon, Ghoulcaller Gisa, Azami, Hanna, Gwafa Hazid, Vona, and so many others) ensures that you're going to get a lot of value. Multiplayer games will inevitably have many creatures tapped for reasons other than for attacking, in my playgroup this card could (with no other investment on my part) draw 4-6 cards each turn around the table.
Also, this with Nature's Revolt is a hilariously janky way of drawing a ton of cards for those with an eye for eccentric combos. (me)
Archatmos
Excellion
Fracture: Israfiel (WBR), Wujal (URG), Valedon (GUB), Amduat (BGW), Paladris (RWU)
Collision (Set Two of the Fracture Block)
Quest for the Forsaken (Set Two of the Excellion Block)
Katingal: Plane of Chains
It was her signature trick, she used it several times to get information that she needed from her opposition, and flavor wise this effect is easily justified as a white card as it is a taxing effect, and white shares "Tapping" as an effect with blue.
Dragons of Legend, Lead by Scion of the UR-Dragon
The Gitrog Monster
Gonti, Lord of Luxury
Shogun Saskia
Hive World
Atraxa hates fun
Abzan