It's become so obligatory for Spirits to have flying that - this (and Pestilent Spirit) not having the ability could lead to some confusion, as both of them appear to be at least hovering.
I like this for Commander, the same reason I liked Burglar Rat. We need more "each opponent discards X cards" effects imo. Not competitive good or anything, but seems good enough.
Bit underwhelming. It certainly is one of the weakest of the CCDD cycle in limited. It might see some play in Standard, as it gains life and blocks Chainwhirler.
I think this is actually very good. This has game against most decks, being a 3/4 means it bricks most creatures that would be played up to that point, gaining 3 lets you catch up and forcing a discard means it's almost always a 2-1.
Even in modern this could be great. Orzhov midrange is really close to being a thing (really just missing another good 2 drop threat and a vindicate-esque card, no anguished unmaking doesn't count). This brick walls all of humans' threats outside of large champions and mantis rider, lifegain is super important in modern, and the discard is perfect in a deck that wants to 2-1 as much as possible. If it drained 3 or even 2 it would be a slam dunk, but I think it's solid as a 3-of for that deck, we just need the other pieces.
I think you guys are underrating this card, it's great for breaking serve.
I was gonna agree with ya but in typeing a responce i realised....
*it survives lightning bolt
*gains life
*makes them discard the lesser burn that couldn’t kill this
This is actually pretty strong as it is.
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I think the relevance of this is contingent on whether white gets any useful blink effects. If once this lands there are other creatures or spells that can blink this and effectively cause instant speed discard (plus life gain) there’ll be a home. Mm cloudshifting in your opponents draw phase for lifegain and instant discard...
Did anyone else expect a throwback to Belfry Spirit?
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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I'm a little surprised folks find this so weak and want flying and/or afterlife on it. Seems a bit much to have a 3/4 flyer that makes someone discard and gains 3 life, at that point you're just wanting a slightly smaller Siege Rhino.
I think the relevance of this is contingent on whether white gets any useful blink effects. If once this lands there are other creatures or spells that can blink this and effectively cause instant speed discard (plus life gain) there’ll be a home. Mm cloudshifting in your opponents draw phase for lifegain and instant discard...
And today we see Justicar's Portal, which is the common Cloudshift effect that Bell-Haunt wanted.
(1W instant, exile target creature you control, return under owner's control, gets first strike).
My you-thought-he-was-tapped creature is now a surprise blocker. With first strike. And you discard a card. And I gain 3 life.
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Spoiler EditorI like it. Most likely going in my Karlov deck
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As it is, this feels totally out of place for its mana cost.
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Even in modern this could be great. Orzhov midrange is really close to being a thing (really just missing another good 2 drop threat and a vindicate-esque card, no anguished unmaking doesn't count). This brick walls all of humans' threats outside of large champions and mantis rider, lifegain is super important in modern, and the discard is perfect in a deck that wants to 2-1 as much as possible. If it drained 3 or even 2 it would be a slam dunk, but I think it's solid as a 3-of for that deck, we just need the other pieces.
I think you guys are underrating this card, it's great for breaking serve.
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Believe it or not, I have a casual black/white discard deck that this is going in. It uses a lot of the b/w discard cards from OG Ravnica.
I was gonna agree with ya but in typeing a responce i realised....
*it survives lightning bolt
*gains life
*makes them discard the lesser burn that couldn’t kill this
This is actually pretty strong as it is.
BAfter the lights go out on you, after your worthless life is through. I will remember how you scream...B
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
And today we see Justicar's Portal, which is the common Cloudshift effect that Bell-Haunt wanted.
(1W instant, exile target creature you control, return under owner's control, gets first strike).
My you-thought-he-was-tapped creature is now a surprise blocker. With first strike. And you discard a card. And I gain 3 life.