Currently on MTGGoldfish I see 24 rares that fall below the break even 14 dollar mark and 23 that fall above. And they are all pretty much based on older card printings. And this is where most hit their pre-sale highs. In 2 1/2 weeks on release most will have dropped a significant amount. More after that.
Yes there is better stuff in there this go around. It would be hard not to improve on the dumpster fires of Iconic and M25. Its still not anywhere near "ultimate" and its still not worth 14 bucks a pack.
I guess "good enough" is just that for some buyers. Not for me.
Want a compliment from me? I like some of the downshifts for Pauper.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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Good thing nobody is actually paying $14/pk. They're handily available on eBay for $265 (and even less right now with 15% coupon if purchased from app) or as cheap as $220 without box topper. That's $9-11/pk and a steal for the $400+ box EV you're getting.
The presale prices on some of these cards are atrocious. Like many with little to zero drop at all. Pretty disgusting.
Stores know Wizards has their back so they just keep prices nuts.
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Here's to hoping WotC drags the Masters set out behind the shed and puts it out of its misery for a long time.
They also need to look up what "Ultimate" means in the dictionary. Ultimate is a bald-faced lie.
So much chaff, so many missed opportunities. So much greed.
WotC said this is the last Masters set in he foreseeable future. So... you may want to check out the dictionary entry for ultimate yourself...
From the Dictionary:
Ultimate: "the best achievable or imaginable of its kind."
The first definition I see (and assuredly the definition the poster you quoted is referencing) is "being or happening at the end of a process; final." It is a proper use of Ultimate to mean Final. And paired with their announcement that they are retiring the Masters line with this for at least the foreseeable future... this stands to be the 'ultimate' masters set until and unless they revisit it someday, which they have no immediate plans to do.
I really don't like how WotC can charge us $14 a pack and we can pull Talrand, Sky Summoner and chaff uncommons/commons, or pull Liliana of the Veil and valuable other cards. It's too much of a lottery, and why I don't buy packs anymore.
Good thing nobody is actually paying $14/pk. They're handily available on eBay for $265 (and even less right now with 15% coupon if purchased from app) or as cheap as $220 without box topper. That's $9-11/pk and a steal for the $400+ box EV you're getting.
It helps mitigate but again there is no guarantee to make your money back. And wait until LGS get a hold on these. They will crank that price up significantly.
I'll let others take the hit and then scoop up the singles I need. They can waste their money, I value mine. Whatever, I've said my piece. Others can say theirs.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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Ill leave to the LGS to crack these open and get the singles. I like to crack a pack or 2 but at this price its ourageous and refuse. Sticking to singles and HOPE their price drop significantly
I like lot of uncommmons and commons reprints, but they missed so many in desperate need of reprint and this would mitigate the absurd rise in MSRP a bit.
Good thing nobody is actually paying $14/pk. They're handily available on eBay for $265 (and even less right now with 15% coupon if purchased from app) or as cheap as $220 without box topper. That's $9-11/pk and a steal for the $400+ box EV you're getting.
It helps mitigate but again there is no guarantee to make your money back.
No box of any kind ever is. But the EV is nearly double what people are actually paying, even before you include the random $50-300 bonus gift you get, in addition to all the pack foils. I'll take those chances any day (and did with two boxes on order).
I'll let others take the hit and then scoop up the singles I need. They can waste their money, I value mine. Whatever, I've said my piece. Others can say theirs.
Whatever you need, snatch them up QUICKLY! Prices of singles will fall considerably for the first few weeks as sellers are trying to undercut each other and find the floor price of each card. Once found, it will likely level off for a bit, then anything remotely in demand will begin to climb right back up. Masters price dips are always temporary.
Looks like the only thing "loaded up" is the box toppers. Everything else is typical Masters letdown at even a higher MSRP this time...
Seriously? Goyf, Lily, Snaps, Goryo's, Emmy, Breach, what exactly are you looking for here?
IdSurge, it's impossible to please everyone. I'm probably one of the saltiest people about masters sets and I still think this is a better masters set than the last two. Even if the prices drop significantly, this is another set that has a lot of commander staples in it that will slowly tick back up with time just like eternal masters.
I mean, I was so burned on Masters 25 I cancelled the majority of my order. At least in this case if someone bought a box, they have a small glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel in the worst case scenario. There will be major feel bad scenarios for those that get a bad topper and a bad box, though. Imagine getting a lavaclaw reaches and then having that followed up by your best pull being a single Runed Halo, back to basics, and a bitterblossom. That would probably burn pretty bad.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I guess. I got my money off the masters 2017, and if I was in the market to buy a box of this, I likely wouldnt regret it, but...yeah. There are tons of good cards in this set, anyone unhappy has hilariously high expectations.
Cracking packs is never a sure thing, nor a wise thing!
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WOTC reprints dozens of $50+ cards, but people mad because a $15 Commander card and random card for a format nobody plays isn't in there?
Yay ***** talking Pauper how great of you.
I'd play it myself if ANYONE locally did. I think it's a cool format, but it's also a format very few people actually play. Meanwhile, Modern fires with 30+ people twice a week. If you're playing Pauper, you're doing it online (because that's the biggest market share), where Oubliettes are $1.
Point stands that there are literally dozens of previously-$50+ cards that were printed in this set, and people are complaining about it. Nothing would satisfy these people.
Whatever you need, snatch them up QUICKLY! Prices of singles will fall considerably for the first few weeks as sellers are trying to undercut each other and find the floor price of each card. Once found, it will likely level off for a bit, then anything remotely in demand will begin to climb right back up. Masters price dips are always temporary.
Its what I ALWAYS do. Again, I let the starry-eyed impulse buyers take the hit and shop around for the best price I can find. I'll pick up what I want for Modern and Pauper and let everyone else play the lotto.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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seems like almost everyone is more interested in getting boxes closer to the 200 dollar mark, and less so at the msrp value... i don't know man. that seems like a major flub when you can't sell your product for the price you want.
maybe, just maybe, we should've continued with the trend of the box toppers and left out chaff in a super premium product, like talrand... or box topper balefire dragon. maybe that would've been a good start. if this set isn't for everyone, if its supposed to be the ultimate, if its supposed to be the cream of the crop best of the best premium product... to warrant that price hike... maybe don't put ******* garbage in it that even casuals already have a ton of and don't want.
i don't know, calling it a premium product and talking about how its not for everyone, and then including absolute garbage, that kind of sends mixed messages, don't you think?
I guess. I got my money off the masters 2017, and if I was in the market to buy a box of this, I likely wouldnt regret it, but...yeah. There are tons of good cards in this set, anyone unhappy has hilariously high expectations.
Cracking packs is never a sure thing, nor a wise thing!
I mean, I wouldn't say that I'm unhappy, but it's definitely disappointing that, even with a much higher price point, they still managed to sneak in Talrand, Reya, Magus of the Bazaar, and Desolate Lighthouse as total value whiffs with no real interested parties. I think the latter three could've easily been cut, and Talrand could've been downshifted to Uncommon, and you'd free up room for four rare cards that, while maybe not super high value, at least can generate some interest.
I guess. I got my money off the masters 2017, and if I was in the market to buy a box of this, I likely wouldnt regret it, but...yeah. There are tons of good cards in this set, anyone unhappy has hilariously high expectations.
Cracking packs is never a sure thing, nor a wise thing!
I mean, I wouldn't say that I'm unhappy, but it's definitely disappointing that, even with a much higher price point, they still managed to sneak in Talrand, Reya, Magus of the Bazaar, and Desolate Lighthouse as total value whiffs with no real interested parties. I think the latter three could've easily been cut, and Talrand could've been downshifted to Uncommon, and you'd free up room for four rare cards that, while maybe not super high value, at least can generate some interest.
But they have to support limited and draft!
... in a set that is so expensive that hardly anyone is going to want to draft it?
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
a complete, competitive deck of keyforge costs less than one of these boosters...
wotc is pulling the rope too much. we are all loyal enfranchised customers, but enough is enough. there is no way I'm dropping this kind of money for what I get in return.
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I guess. I got my money off the masters 2017, and if I was in the market to buy a box of this, I likely wouldnt regret it, but...yeah. There are tons of good cards in this set, anyone unhappy has hilariously high expectations.
Cracking packs is never a sure thing, nor a wise thing!
I mean, I wouldn't say that I'm unhappy, but it's definitely disappointing that, even with a much higher price point, they still managed to sneak in Talrand, Reya, Magus of the Bazaar, and Desolate Lighthouse as total value whiffs with no real interested parties. I think the latter three could've easily been cut, and Talrand could've been downshifted to Uncommon, and you'd free up room for four rare cards that, while maybe not super high value, at least can generate some interest.
But they have to support limited and draft!
... in a set that is so expensive that hardly anyone is going to want to draft it?
The deck archetypes look sweet and well supported. People at my LGS will draft the crap out of this. I'll try to get one or two in.
I guess. I got my money off the masters 2017, and if I was in the market to buy a box of this, I likely wouldnt regret it, but...yeah. There are tons of good cards in this set, anyone unhappy has hilariously high expectations.
Cracking packs is never a sure thing, nor a wise thing!
I mean, I wouldn't say that I'm unhappy, but it's definitely disappointing that, even with a much higher price point, they still managed to sneak in Talrand, Reya, Magus of the Bazaar, and Desolate Lighthouse as total value whiffs with no real interested parties. I think the latter three could've easily been cut, and Talrand could've been downshifted to Uncommon, and you'd free up room for four rare cards that, while maybe not super high value, at least can generate some interest.
But they have to support limited and draft!
... in a set that is so expensive that hardly anyone is going to want to draft it?
The deck archetypes look sweet and well supported. People at my LGS will draft the crap out of this. I'll try to get one or two in.
Guess I should correct my statement since it was kind of a black and white one. I more so meant that it's not something people would just walk into a store blind and draft as much as do a planned visit. My LGS has people that just walk in and do mini-drafts and chaos drafts.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
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Yes there is better stuff in there this go around. It would be hard not to improve on the dumpster fires of Iconic and M25. Its still not anywhere near "ultimate" and its still not worth 14 bucks a pack.
I guess "good enough" is just that for some buyers. Not for me.
Want a compliment from me? I like some of the downshifts for Pauper.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Good thing nobody is actually paying $14/pk. They're handily available on eBay for $265 (and even less right now with 15% coupon if purchased from app) or as cheap as $220 without box topper. That's $9-11/pk and a steal for the $400+ box EV you're getting.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
Stores know Wizards has their back so they just keep prices nuts.
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Nothing, the format Bores me!
Legacy:
RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R
RGBelcherRG
WSoldier StompyW
BReanimatorB
EDH:
BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB
BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
The first definition I see (and assuredly the definition the poster you quoted is referencing) is "being or happening at the end of a process; final." It is a proper use of Ultimate to mean Final. And paired with their announcement that they are retiring the Masters line with this for at least the foreseeable future... this stands to be the 'ultimate' masters set until and unless they revisit it someday, which they have no immediate plans to do.
It helps mitigate but again there is no guarantee to make your money back. And wait until LGS get a hold on these. They will crank that price up significantly.
I'll let others take the hit and then scoop up the singles I need. They can waste their money, I value mine. Whatever, I've said my piece. Others can say theirs.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
No box of any kind ever is. But the EV is nearly double what people are actually paying, even before you include the random $50-300 bonus gift you get, in addition to all the pack foils. I'll take those chances any day (and did with two boxes on order).
Whatever you need, snatch them up QUICKLY! Prices of singles will fall considerably for the first few weeks as sellers are trying to undercut each other and find the floor price of each card. Once found, it will likely level off for a bit, then anything remotely in demand will begin to climb right back up. Masters price dips are always temporary.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
No Oubliette nor rhystic study as a matter of fact there’s a brand new art of rhystic study
IdSurge, it's impossible to please everyone. I'm probably one of the saltiest people about masters sets and I still think this is a better masters set than the last two. Even if the prices drop significantly, this is another set that has a lot of commander staples in it that will slowly tick back up with time just like eternal masters.
I mean, I was so burned on Masters 25 I cancelled the majority of my order. At least in this case if someone bought a box, they have a small glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel in the worst case scenario. There will be major feel bad scenarios for those that get a bad topper and a bad box, though. Imagine getting a lavaclaw reaches and then having that followed up by your best pull being a single Runed Halo, back to basics, and a bitterblossom. That would probably burn pretty bad.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Cracking packs is never a sure thing, nor a wise thing!
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WOTC reprints dozens of $50+ cards, but people mad because a $15 Commander card and random card for a format nobody plays isn't in there?
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
Yay ***** talking Pauper how great of you.
I'd play it myself if ANYONE locally did. I think it's a cool format, but it's also a format very few people actually play. Meanwhile, Modern fires with 30+ people twice a week. If you're playing Pauper, you're doing it online (because that's the biggest market share), where Oubliettes are $1.
Point stands that there are literally dozens of previously-$50+ cards that were printed in this set, and people are complaining about it. Nothing would satisfy these people.
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
What new art?
Its what I ALWAYS do. Again, I let the starry-eyed impulse buyers take the hit and shop around for the best price I can find. I'll pick up what I want for Modern and Pauper and let everyone else play the lotto.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
maybe, just maybe, we should've continued with the trend of the box toppers and left out chaff in a super premium product, like talrand... or box topper balefire dragon. maybe that would've been a good start. if this set isn't for everyone, if its supposed to be the ultimate, if its supposed to be the cream of the crop best of the best premium product... to warrant that price hike... maybe don't put ******* garbage in it that even casuals already have a ton of and don't want.
i don't know, calling it a premium product and talking about how its not for everyone, and then including absolute garbage, that kind of sends mixed messages, don't you think?
this set is just gambling.
I mean, I wouldn't say that I'm unhappy, but it's definitely disappointing that, even with a much higher price point, they still managed to sneak in Talrand, Reya, Magus of the Bazaar, and Desolate Lighthouse as total value whiffs with no real interested parties. I think the latter three could've easily been cut, and Talrand could've been downshifted to Uncommon, and you'd free up room for four rare cards that, while maybe not super high value, at least can generate some interest.
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Maybe just going to buy one booster pack for good time. Just one.
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But they have to support limited and draft!
... in a set that is so expensive that hardly anyone is going to want to draft it?
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
wotc is pulling the rope too much. we are all loyal enfranchised customers, but enough is enough. there is no way I'm dropping this kind of money for what I get in return.
Pioneer: WURFaerie fires BRGDragons
ModernBGElves WRBurn UR Fires Turns URGift Storm UG Twiddle Storm
What set of sealed packs isn't for gamblers?
UR ....... WUBR ........... WB ............. RGW ........ UBR ....... WUB .... BGU
Spells / Blink & Combo / Token Grind / Dino Tribal / Draw Cards / Zombies / Reanimate
The deck archetypes look sweet and well supported. People at my LGS will draft the crap out of this. I'll try to get one or two in.
Guess I should correct my statement since it was kind of a black and white one. I more so meant that it's not something people would just walk into a store blind and draft as much as do a planned visit. My LGS has people that just walk in and do mini-drafts and chaos drafts.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!