But doing so would help the selling, not that hard to understand
Yes because we are always the most hungry after a meal. Don't confuse disagreeing with not understanding. Did GoT get you excited for Amonkhet?
Man, that example regarding an hollow organ that can actually get full surely made you win this conversation.
got, the famous egyptian show. A couple of pyramids on Meereen during some episodes totally eclipsed the glacial landscaped of Winterfell and the Barrier, present since episode 1.
Preorder a couple of box of this norse set and be happy.
I think the confusion is, which was what I was asking you as well, is Westeros is more of mix of European cultures, similar to Tarkir and Asia. Martin used Nordic culture for the Iron Islands mostly, but I can see how cold and winter setting of the North and the raiding culture of the wildings does have a nordic tone to it (although its more celtic based in influence).
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I wish I had more tid-bits to tease with, but the only other specific he mentioned was an Odin-analogue that made 2 bird tokens that allowed a Peek effect (which I realize just sounds like low-hanging fruit speculation).
It IS funny to see discussion of Game of Thrones on this thread, though. I'll explain why after this all comes to fruition.
I'll wish for full art snow lands, which would be fantastic and a huge selling point for a standard set. I think Snow Duals are technically not allowed due to the language of the RL but I may be wrong on this. Either way, it just seems too close for WotC to risk a lawsuit. We can dream though.
Either way, it just seems too close for WotC to risk a lawsuit.
fwiw there's no lawsuit.
nothing would come of similar cards being printed, unless the value of duals radically dropped. It's all tied to money. Nobody is going to bring a suit against WoTC for crossing some imaginary line where a card happens to be slightly too similar to a card on the RL.
Norse, eh?
hmm... yep. I can get behind that. sign me up. Snowy landscapes and tall tales.
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For real, are we going to go multiple multiple pages on this, "a friend told me". Hilarious
There is already a a next set is viking/norse thread in SPECULATION where anything discussed here has or will be talked about there.
Unless this friend actually comes up with something
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I wish I had more tid-bits to tease with, but the only other specific he mentioned was an Odin-analogue that made 2 bird tokens that allowed a Peek effect (which I realize just sounds like low-hanging fruit speculation).
I was already highly sceptical about this because things people wish for in Baseless is the most common fake information we get, but this is the nail in the coffin for me. There's no way that they would make something that's this identical to existing lore (Hugin and Munin), that's just not how WotC do it when they draw inspiration from existing mythology... and there's no way they told your norse mythology expert friend about the specific mechanics of one single card, but not any more. Get out of here with that rubbish.
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Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
-I do wonder if Viking will be an official creature type rather than using barbarian/warrior. I would not be for this, like how they made naga an actual type rather than just using snake.
Maro said that in his pinion is better to make them a new creature type
That would be wonderful, taking a new creature type template onto one that would already fit.
Not too long ago somebody asked Maro on his tumbler blog if a hypothetical Norse set would have snow lands, and his reply was along the lines of “is that really something you all would expect from a Norse set?” Something about the tone of his question made me think that they were in the early stages of planning one but did not have snow-covered lands in the set. Most of the people that responded were in favor of them, so here’s hoping they can get them in.
Saskia is more celtic/gaul since she is on the same plane of Licia, sanguine tribune and her romanesque conquerors, so i don't know.
Saskia is definitely a Slavic name which points her towards being more from a Rus-like culture. With that said, a set inspired by barbarian Europe in general would be very interesting.
I think I've learned to treat Magic cards like baseball cards: keep 'em in a binder in numerical order, don't play with 'em, try to finish the set and just keep my head down.
I mean does GoT have a vaguely Amonkhet land yeah but that is not really selling the series or anyone's favorite part seeing as Dorne Plot went to crap and everyone wanted Dany out of Mereen.
Calling it now, the ever-so-long wait for a return of Snow-Lands... maybe as Dual lands that ARE NOT uncommon. Maybe they are only become snow permanents if snow basics are in play or something else wacky.
This thread is as dubious as it gets, but we all have to admit that a Norse-themed set seems very likely regardless. It fits Wizards exactly. It seems like a when more than an if, and this seems like a pretty reasonable time.
I would be totally fine with a lack of Snow lands: honestly there isn't that much design space to be had with Snow. You can make niche Snow hate, or you can make cards that want you to play all the snow you can, but that's about it. It's just a marker mechanic. I design cards pretty often, and there's just not all that much to be done with Snow.
Things that seem likely:
A representation of several (but not all) of the nine realms. For example, Midgard would likely be UW and Muspelheim BR.
Sagas!
Dwarves with an equipment theme.
A representation of Ragnarok, perhaps not until the "Return to" set.
Things I'd like to see in some form:
A world tree
The Midgard Serpent
The Poet's Mead
A representation of Loki as neither good nor evil.
Ratatusk the squirrel
The timing is dubious. Although we would have spent 4 Sets on well known planes and we are ending the Gatewatch vs Bolas Arc so a breather before the next big bad probably New Phyrexia makes sense and time to explore new Planes. Plus a Viking set around Winter is not a bad idea I suppose. I would have exploited Game of Thrones to launch it but what do I know.
Vague rumors or not, it's only a matter of time before they do a Norse themed deck. As a Dane, I'm all for having a set with vikings, maybe ship vehicles like the in Ixalan, helmets with big horns, big axes, thunder hammers, valkyries/angels and plenty of snow.
Put in gods, dragons, beasts and folklore. There's so much potential to make a great set with this stuff.
I'm just worried about the politically correct depiction, but I guess that's a can of worms that shouldn't be opened
You want expand on that? I mean I do wonder if they will hire a cultural consultant or just mine Marvel Cinematic Universe Thor, Elder Scrolls Skyrim, and Game of Thrones. Norse Stuff has properly never been more popular in the States, well we might be a bit past the peak. What precise political correctness are you talking about? And please dont say too many women and not white people.
Vague rumors or not, it's only a matter of time before they do a Norse themed deck. As a Dane, I'm all for having a set with vikings, maybe ship vehicles like the in Ixalan, helmets with big horns, big axes, thunder hammers, valkyries/angels and plenty of snow.
Put in gods, dragons, beasts and folklore. There's so much potential to make a great set with this stuff.
I'm just worried about the politically correct depiction, but I guess that's a can of worms that shouldn't be opened
They could go for historically correct depiction this time and skip the horned helmets, it's viking set and not opera set. Probably not gonna happen, but a man can dream...
Vague rumors or not, it's only a matter of time before they do a Norse themed deck. As a Dane, I'm all for having a set with vikings, maybe ship vehicles like the in Ixalan, helmets with big horns, big axes, thunder hammers, valkyries/angels and plenty of snow.
Put in gods, dragons, beasts and folklore. There's so much potential to make a great set with this stuff.
I'm just worried about the politically correct depiction, but I guess that's a can of worms that shouldn't be opened
They could go for historically correct depiction this time and skip the horned helmets, it's viking set and not opera set. Probably not gonna happen, but a man can dream...
They went with feathered Dinos on Ixalan, so I'm sure they'll go with no horns if the norse set is happening. I just think why not just go with the horns? It looks cool. Just not make them over the top comical.
And valkyries could have a sleek winged helmet style. Would be cool to see some form of Valkyrie creature type, or maybe just have an angel sub theme or something where the angels are depicted as valkyries or something.
You want expand on that? I mean I do wonder if they will hire a cultural consultant or just mine Marvel Cinematic Universe Thor, Elder Scrolls Skyrim, and Game of Thrones. Norse Stuff has properly never been more popular in the States, well we might be a bit past the peak. What precise political correctness are you talking about? And please dont say too many women and not white people.
I was actually thinking about this yesterday and believe my friend may have been contacted for that reason. One of the potential challenges of making cards that are based on the Norse gods is that they are still followed modernly, unlike the Greco-Roman pantheon or Egyptian pantheon (save a few fringe "mystics"). Maybe Wizards worries about offending/angering the Asatru?
I think the confusion is, which was what I was asking you as well, is Westeros is more of mix of European cultures, similar to Tarkir and Asia. Martin used Nordic culture for the Iron Islands mostly, but I can see how cold and winter setting of the North and the raiding culture of the wildings does have a nordic tone to it (although its more celtic based in influence).
More than culture it's the landscape. Got is mostly associated with the Stark territories, "winter is coming", and so on. The enemies are ice zombies, one of the favorite character is John Snow with his fur armor and his brute friends.
I did say setting ^^^. Fun view point, I aways saw it more celtic since the child of the forest and the others (in the books anyway) are more faerie and the old men cultures being somewhat druidic.
You want expand on that? I mean I do wonder if they will hire a cultural consultant or just mine Marvel Cinematic Universe Thor, Elder Scrolls Skyrim, and Game of Thrones. Norse Stuff has properly never been more popular in the States, well we might be a bit past the peak. What precise political correctness are you talking about? And please dont say too many women and not white people.
For Amonkhet they did contact a few Egyptologist to help work on the set and they have international offices they talk to. While maybe not a clear cut culture consultant, I'd except them to get a historian to give an idea of what life what really like for Nordic people.
And its so funny the idea people have of viking considering they traveled, traded and raided from From North America to Asia to North Africa.
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I wish I had more tid-bits to tease with, but the only other specific he mentioned was an Odin-analogue that made 2 bird tokens that allowed a Peek effect (which I realize just sounds like low-hanging fruit speculation).
I was already highly sceptical about this because things people wish for in Baseless is the most common fake information we get, but this is the nail in the coffin for me. There's no way that they would make something that's this identical to existing lore (Hugin and Munin), that's just not how WotC do it when they draw inspiration from existing mythology... and there's no way they told your norse mythology expert friend about the specific mechanics of one single card, but not any more. Get out of here with that rubbish.
Agreed. The "friend" would be consulted for thematic elements of worldbuilding, the style guide, concepting the plane. There is an entirely separate branch that designs card effects.
I think the confusion is, which was what I was asking you as well, is Westeros is more of mix of European cultures, similar to Tarkir and Asia. Martin used Nordic culture for the Iron Islands mostly, but I can see how cold and winter setting of the North and the raiding culture of the wildings does have a nordic tone to it (although its more celtic based in influence).
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
It IS funny to see discussion of Game of Thrones on this thread, though. I'll explain why after this all comes to fruition.
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I'll wish for full art snow lands, which would be fantastic and a huge selling point for a standard set. I think Snow Duals are technically not allowed due to the language of the RL but I may be wrong on this. Either way, it just seems too close for WotC to risk a lawsuit. We can dream though.
fwiw there's no lawsuit.
nothing would come of similar cards being printed, unless the value of duals radically dropped. It's all tied to money. Nobody is going to bring a suit against WoTC for crossing some imaginary line where a card happens to be slightly too similar to a card on the RL.
Norse, eh?
hmm... yep. I can get behind that. sign me up. Snowy landscapes and tall tales.
There is already a a next set is viking/norse thread in SPECULATION where anything discussed here has or will be talked about there.
Unless this friend actually comes up with something
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
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That would be wonderful, taking a new creature type template onto one that would already fit.
That Works so well EVERY TIME THEY DO IT.
Dragons of Legend, Lead by Scion of the UR-Dragon
The Gitrog Monster
Gonti, Lord of Luxury
Shogun Saskia
Hive World
Atraxa hates fun
Abzan
Saskia is definitely a Slavic name which points her towards being more from a Rus-like culture. With that said, a set inspired by barbarian Europe in general would be very interesting.
Normally trope sets do come with a MTG twist. Like Dinosaurs and Pirates.
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I would be totally fine with a lack of Snow lands: honestly there isn't that much design space to be had with Snow. You can make niche Snow hate, or you can make cards that want you to play all the snow you can, but that's about it. It's just a marker mechanic. I design cards pretty often, and there's just not all that much to be done with Snow.
Things that seem likely:
A representation of several (but not all) of the nine realms. For example, Midgard would likely be UW and Muspelheim BR.
Sagas!
Dwarves with an equipment theme.
A representation of Ragnarok, perhaps not until the "Return to" set.
Things I'd like to see in some form:
A world tree
The Midgard Serpent
The Poet's Mead
A representation of Loki as neither good nor evil.
Ratatusk the squirrel
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Put in gods, dragons, beasts and folklore. There's so much potential to make a great set with this stuff.
I'm just worried about the politically correct depiction, but I guess that's a can of worms that shouldn't be opened
Guess I can't say much then lol
They could go for historically correct depiction this time and skip the horned helmets, it's viking set and not opera set. Probably not gonna happen, but a man can dream...
They went with feathered Dinos on Ixalan, so I'm sure they'll go with no horns if the norse set is happening. I just think why not just go with the horns? It looks cool. Just not make them over the top comical.
And valkyries could have a sleek winged helmet style. Would be cool to see some form of Valkyrie creature type, or maybe just have an angel sub theme or something where the angels are depicted as valkyries or something.
I would like the Pillageing part, but sadly WoTC does not like 3 cmc land destruction spells.. so the chance of reprint into standard is small.
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I was actually thinking about this yesterday and believe my friend may have been contacted for that reason. One of the potential challenges of making cards that are based on the Norse gods is that they are still followed modernly, unlike the Greco-Roman pantheon or Egyptian pantheon (save a few fringe "mystics"). Maybe Wizards worries about offending/angering the Asatru?
I did say setting ^^^. Fun view point, I aways saw it more celtic since the child of the forest and the others (in the books anyway) are more faerie and the old men cultures being somewhat druidic.
For Amonkhet they did contact a few Egyptologist to help work on the set and they have international offices they talk to. While maybe not a clear cut culture consultant, I'd except them to get a historian to give an idea of what life what really like for Nordic people.
And its so funny the idea people have of viking considering they traveled, traded and raided from From North America to Asia to North Africa.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
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Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||