If anyone here has received one of these can you post up a pic of the BACK of the wrapper? I'm curious if you can decipher what card is inside by any numbers or markings on the packaging.
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Oh dear god, I've been waiting forever for the mtgo art on a mana vault, so happy to finally see it! So this basically confirms the card as an reprint in this next masters? nice, can't wait to get it.
I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
Someone said gaddock teeg would be reprinted in a booster set, about 3 weeks ago on the coments of a vídeo by rogue deckbuilder.
If gaddock is in this then that must be what the guy was told.
There's a huge difference between what Blizz/Act is doing vs. what MTG is doing. What Blizz/Act reeeaaalllyyyy effed up about was they made the announcement at Blizzcon, which is an event where only the most hardcore fans would go to. Why would you announce something that's catered to the exact opposite group as those attending the event? That makes zero sense at all. That's I think where they screwed up the most. If they announced it rather casually in a press release with info et al., I don't think it would've gotten nearly as much hate. But, of course, the fact there's no PC Diablo in sight, yet they're releasing this mobile game, at an event where its attendees were hoping for a new PC release, really pisses people off.
Wizards is screwing up for other reasons. Marketing 101 says that it's significantly more difficult and costly to attract new customers than it is to keep existing customers. Wizards big problem is their game has way too much turnover; the game is too damn expensive. When it comes to video gaming, the fanciest special edition game is $300 at most. Perhaps there are some super rare ones with like giant statues in it that retail for more, but most video game special editions are maybe $100-$200 with a few outliers, but that game will last you many hours. And if you aren't intersted in the special edition, the base game can be gotten for $60, and with several expansions maybe it'll be $150 total. With a game like Diablo, the game with expansions that'll last you several years may cost you $200 in the end, maybe. When it comes to Magic, $200 might not even get you a Standard deck, and that deck will rotate in less than 2 years. And that doesn't factor the upgrades you need as Standard evolves and new sets release. Good Modern decks can be $750 or more, and you may need upgrades within a few years. Let's not even get into Legacy and Vintage. Even EDH decks can be several hundred dollars. Magic is just so much more expensive. The problem is that Wizards is trying to treat the game, the paper game at least, like it can be catered to casuals. Casuals are not going to spend hundreds or even thousands on a game like Magic, when the game itself may not last you more than a couple years without significant upgrades. They're trying to get people into the game with Arena, but it's not the same as traditional paper MTG.
What Wizards can do is go the route of Pokemon or YGO and prevent cards from getting super expensive. They can reprint cards into oblivion and try and get more butts into seats at FNM and maybe people would be more interested if the most expensive deck in Standard was $100 rather than $400 or whatever. Of course the hardcore MTG people, those who have been involved with the game for many years, might just stop playing as a result of damaged consumer confidence, uncertainty about card prices et al. and you're stuck trying to rebuild a consumer base. The problem is that right now Wizards is trying to play both sides, and they're suffering mightily for it. Despite their refusal to officially acknowledge it, of course they monitor the secondary market, Masters sets are designed around an EV value determined by the secondary market. And don't even get me started on the Reserve List. But they can't do all of that and still try and act like they're doing all they can to bring in new players. Some hobbies are just exclusive and expensive, and that's perfectly okay. And for most of Magic's life, Magic has been that expensive hobby. But if Wizards is really interested in getting new blood into the paper game, they're going to have to do something about the prohibitively expensive aspect of the game. Maybe UMA is Wizards' turning a new leaf, putting most of what players want when it comes to high value cards into a single Masters set, crashing the prices of these cards and making the game more accessible. And maybe they'll announce the end of the Reserve List. I jest, but we've yet to see any indication of this. Wizards has been talking from both sides of its mouth, and for all we know this will just be a BaB scheme, and the UMA set will be decent if not good and people will continue to thirst for specific reprints, while these promos do nothing to the price of the cards and are just mere collectors' items.
I know what I want, and I know I'm setting myself up for disappointment. It's just tough to figure Wizards out, since they're trying to cater to both the enfranchised player and the new player and losing at both.
yeah the comparison between bliz and wotc isnt perfect, i just ran with it because that is what Colt brought up. its mostly relevant for arena.
i agree with the diablo announcement timing being poor, however it might just have been due to other interesting things to announce.
not to get too off topic though, your point about keeping customers being more cost effective is true. but that is exactly the reason that you might choose to spend your resources elsewhere. higher loyalty means the cost to keep people around goes down. the pool of enfranchised players still shrinks, but much slower. so at some point you are spending more for marginal gains.
so wizards has a strong customer base, arguably as strong as its ever been considering age demographics and potential disposable income. this core of customers isnt growing, because new customers dont stick around long enough. catering to the core players is therefore only delaying the inevitable, especially in this particular industry. so they spend that loyalty, banking on these customers riding out the storm, and focus on either lowering turnover or just getting enough new customers to offset it. specifically through launchpad/gateway products.
unfortunately they have had their heads down for so long that they looked up only to realize how archaic their business model is. minimal usage of e-commerce, poor integration with social media/online entertainment mediums, dependency on brick-and-mortar, competition from a front they have no real foothold in (digital), etc, etc, etc.
partnership with amazon, pushing the hasbro store, promoting twitch/youtube content (or content creators), arena and esports (this one is huge), changes in tournament coverage, invitational tournament with high profile hearthstone players. these all point towards modernization, regardless of how well they are doing it. as for standard prices though, arena is their obvious answer.
everything else though speaks of a desperate need to course correct because what they WERE doing wasnt working. you cant know what does work unless you experiment, even if that experimenting alienates some customers or backfire. the set we are talking about in this thread is just one more dart they are throwing at the board.
the point is that it shows a real effort to achieve change. some of it is clearly for hasbros bottom line, but most isnt (at least not directly). so ill revise what i said about them being out of touch. they are out of touch, but are seeking to get IN touch - just not with the set of customers you may want. they are just executing it poorly.
to add some perspective im sure there is some level of incompetence going on, but even if the cabal that runs wizards is mediocre at their jobs - its still their jobs. as in they have training, experience, and likely educations suited to it; and get paid (well) to perform it. do you really think they just completely miss all these 'obvious' solutions we think up?
'just flood the market to lower prices, more people will play, and you will make more money'
i mean really? 'lets forego this obvious solution that makes us more money because...(what?)'.
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Someone said gaddock teeg would be reprinted in a booster set, about 3 weeks ago on the coments of a vídeo by rogue deckbuilder.
If gaddock is in this then that must be what the guy was told.
'just flood the market to lower prices, more people will play, and you will make more money'
i mean really? 'lets forego this obvious solution that makes us more money because...(what?)'.
Some possibilities:
1) Slowly increasing the trickle to more and more value per set would slowly increase quarterly profits as customers buy more of it, feeding into the usual corporate tactic of "increasing profits by setting quarterly goals that exceed the previous quarter's goals" in an artificial manner.
2) HASBRO has stock in one of the larger Secondary Market entities like SCG, and would lose money overall if they flooded the market and heavily tanked SCG or TCGPlayer's stock.
3) Mismanagement or some kind of corporate move by HASBRO with other effects in the industry that just happen to negatively affect us as the players and WotC as one of their IPs.
I mean, I can totally imagine there are logical reasons for WotC to be doing the things they've done this last year, and also be really irritated that there are easy solutions to how poorly Modern is being treated which are being ignored.
This is a pretty packed set!
After seeing most of it, i must say Through the Breach is an absolute flavor win topper! The art is just spot on. Well done!
Looking forward to the details regarding the distribution of these true modern masterpieces
If the reprints stay within masterpiece limits, i think they won't have an impact on prices all that much. Only if we'll see a new masters set with these included as normal rares and mythics.
I wonder if there is a chance for Kozilek, Butcher of Truth to be absent from this group. It doesn't see any modern play, after all, while the other two OG titans have and do.
I wonder if there is a chance for Kozilek, Butcher of Truth to be absent from this group. It doesn't see any modern play, after all, while the other two OG titans have and do.
Yeah, they had a chance to apply that logic to the less-used stepsiblings among the manland cycle and included those anyway.
I wonder if there is a chance for Kozilek, Butcher of Truth to be absent from this group. It doesn't see any modern play, after all, while the other two OG titans have and do.
Yeah, they had a chance to apply that logic to the less-used stepsiblings among the manland cycle and included those anyway.
With Kaladesh Inventions, they did the whole Sword cycle, even though not every one of them is used extensively.
I wonder if there is a chance for Kozilek, Butcher of Truth to be absent from this group. It doesn't see any modern play, after all, while the other two OG titans have and do.
Yeah, they had a chance to apply that logic to the less-used stepsiblings among the manland cycle and included those anyway.
With Kaladesh Inventions, they did the whole Sword cycle, even though not every one of them is used extensively.
It's an elegant, non-obvious way to fill slots with less desirable cards, which they always do on purpose anyway. The don't want every card to be a hit, so it's not an opportunity they missed or anything like that.
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TRUE...I even got double lucky with the placement of my foil rainbows. Doubles, running right through middle. Its possibly my favorite card.
Oh cool
That art was only available for online mtg
Now we have a paper version of that art
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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Oh dear god, I've been waiting forever for the mtgo art on a mana vault, so happy to finally see it! So this basically confirms the card as an reprint in this next masters? nice, can't wait to get it.
If gaddock is in this then that must be what the guy was told.
yeah the comparison between bliz and wotc isnt perfect, i just ran with it because that is what Colt brought up. its mostly relevant for arena.
i agree with the diablo announcement timing being poor, however it might just have been due to other interesting things to announce.
not to get too off topic though, your point about keeping customers being more cost effective is true. but that is exactly the reason that you might choose to spend your resources elsewhere. higher loyalty means the cost to keep people around goes down. the pool of enfranchised players still shrinks, but much slower. so at some point you are spending more for marginal gains.
so wizards has a strong customer base, arguably as strong as its ever been considering age demographics and potential disposable income. this core of customers isnt growing, because new customers dont stick around long enough. catering to the core players is therefore only delaying the inevitable, especially in this particular industry. so they spend that loyalty, banking on these customers riding out the storm, and focus on either lowering turnover or just getting enough new customers to offset it. specifically through launchpad/gateway products.
unfortunately they have had their heads down for so long that they looked up only to realize how archaic their business model is. minimal usage of e-commerce, poor integration with social media/online entertainment mediums, dependency on brick-and-mortar, competition from a front they have no real foothold in (digital), etc, etc, etc.
partnership with amazon, pushing the hasbro store, promoting twitch/youtube content (or content creators), arena and esports (this one is huge), changes in tournament coverage, invitational tournament with high profile hearthstone players. these all point towards modernization, regardless of how well they are doing it. as for standard prices though, arena is their obvious answer.
everything else though speaks of a desperate need to course correct because what they WERE doing wasnt working. you cant know what does work unless you experiment, even if that experimenting alienates some customers or backfire. the set we are talking about in this thread is just one more dart they are throwing at the board.
the point is that it shows a real effort to achieve change. some of it is clearly for hasbros bottom line, but most isnt (at least not directly). so ill revise what i said about them being out of touch. they are out of touch, but are seeking to get IN touch - just not with the set of customers you may want. they are just executing it poorly.
to add some perspective im sure there is some level of incompetence going on, but even if the cabal that runs wizards is mediocre at their jobs - its still their jobs. as in they have training, experience, and likely educations suited to it; and get paid (well) to perform it. do you really think they just completely miss all these 'obvious' solutions we think up?
'just flood the market to lower prices, more people will play, and you will make more money'
i mean really? 'lets forego this obvious solution that makes us more money because...(what?)'.
UWGSnow-Bant Control
BURGrixis Death's Shadow
GWBCoCo Elves
WCDeath and Taxes(sold)Spirits
It’s great to see it again.
Some possibilities:
1) Slowly increasing the trickle to more and more value per set would slowly increase quarterly profits as customers buy more of it, feeding into the usual corporate tactic of "increasing profits by setting quarterly goals that exceed the previous quarter's goals" in an artificial manner.
2) HASBRO has stock in one of the larger Secondary Market entities like SCG, and would lose money overall if they flooded the market and heavily tanked SCG or TCGPlayer's stock.
3) Mismanagement or some kind of corporate move by HASBRO with other effects in the industry that just happen to negatively affect us as the players and WotC as one of their IPs.
I mean, I can totally imagine there are logical reasons for WotC to be doing the things they've done this last year, and also be really irritated that there are easy solutions to how poorly Modern is being treated which are being ignored.
UWGSnow-Bant Control
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One or the other
Logically Orginal kozilek should be one of them since we got OG emrakul and OG ulamog
colonnade is included:
UWGSnow-Bant Control
BURGrixis Death's Shadow
GWBCoCo Elves
WCDeath and Taxes(sold)Spirits
After seeing most of it, i must say Through the Breach is an absolute flavor win topper! The art is just spot on. Well done!
Looking forward to the details regarding the distribution of these true modern masterpieces
If the reprints stay within masterpiece limits, i think they won't have an impact on prices all that much. Only if we'll see a new masters set with these included as normal rares and mythics.
Modern: WUBRG Humans - GBW Traverse - GWU Knightfall - GRW Bushwhacker Zoo -
Since Monday is when they are spilling the beans on these.
Yeah, they had a chance to apply that logic to the less-used stepsiblings among the manland cycle and included those anyway.
With Kaladesh Inventions, they did the whole Sword cycle, even though not every one of them is used extensively.
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
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