The only thing that is ridiculous regarding this set is the comments and attempts to justify intellectual property price based on costs. I will remind you that any personal copy of music you listen or game you play costs literally zero to be delivered to you; yet you pay for it.
If you think that $300 is too much - well, guess what, just don't buy it. Whining about that is like going to Lamborghini forum and spending a day complaining that you cannot afford one.
Good point. Time to print some proxies then. hell i heard the cinese counterfeits are looknig great these days. They will be quite cheap.
Sure, you are free to do this.
But don't be surprised if one day your favorite author stops to write books, your favorite artist stops to produce music, and Wizards stop to support Magic.
You know, WotC is not a non-profit charity, and game designers want to eat as well. At least until we teach AI to design new MTG sets and lore.
Wizards ceasing to support magic is preferable to what they are doing now.
Also daily reminder WotC does not care about the secondary market. /sarcasm
cmon, dont you think you are being a bit sensationalist here? killing legacy? turning modern into legacy? how does anything about this product say that.
i get that some people wish wizards would flood the market and stamp down prices in a serious way, but its just an unrealistic expectation.
what we do know though is that this is more supply of some expensive cards, and prices of those cards will drop. we know this because its observable. the drop doesnt last forever, but wizards hasnt said they arent going to do value reprints in ancillary products anymore; but rather that they are shelving the masters line because it wasnt panning out as they hoped.
i mean we literally have people complaining about 300+ dollar 'premium' products being stupid. guess what? they are going away!
in short: the masters line being retired does not equate to the end of wizards caring about card availability. it just means they think they can address it in some other way.
Wizards thinks a lot of things. Wizards has been fairly consistently wrong about those things for almost 2 years now, unless those things have to do with Arena or Standard after the rotation. How much faith can I have as a Modern player in such a company, given their past actions this year and last?
The "evidence" is that there are no products I can think of they could print Fetches in. The Guild Kits had maybe 3 needed reprints. Is 3 reprints per set going to satisfy demand? In limited print run products? Not remotely. If people are going to play Magic as a *game*, not a financial investment, Wizards has been going about things the wrong way. I have little faith they will suddenly do a 180 and "figure out" how to solve Modern's current supply and pricing issues.
We have seen little evidence they will solve these issues. It is observable from the past few years that they either don't care, or are being mismanaged by HASBRO. What else can I think but, "Sucks to be me?"
Not really. It's a broad hobby. I don't see anything I really need here. And even if I did, it's only one copy for EDH. I'd rather have Morningtide Bitterblossom any day over the super promo one here for example. And again, only one. Depends on your preferences. As an EDH player preferring non-foils and original art, this set does nothing for me. Drives the price down if I needed these cards, which so far, nothing I need thankfully. Just curb your desires for things that really matter.
So this is what you do. You buy a box for 335$ and sell the topper for at least 100$, which should be pretty easy. Boom, normal master set price, except the value inside the set is already much better than previous masters sets.
So this is what you do. You buy a box for 335$ and sell the topper for at least 100$, which should be pretty easy. Boom, normal master set price, except the value inside the set is already much better than previous masters sets.
Also does anyone really believe this will be the last masters set? This is just amrketing talk and a way to hype up the set even more. In 4 years or something masters sets will return. Just like it happened with core sets. In the meantime I can't wait to see what new cash grabs they will concoct.
So this is what you do. You buy a box for 335$ and sell the topper for at least 100$, which should be pretty easy. Boom, normal master set price, except the value inside the set is already much better than previous masters sets.
...and if your topper was one of the dud lands?
You sell it sealed. There are enough really good, valuable, beautiful cards worth well over $100 to cancel out the duds. Assuming there’s no way to peek at the card or manipulate the pack, $100 wouldn’t be a bad price for a sealed box topper.
So this is what you do. You buy a box for 335$ and sell the topper for at least 100$, which should be pretty easy. Boom, normal master set price, except the value inside the set is already much better than previous masters sets.
...and if your topper was one of the dud lands?
... not to mention how hard it could be to break even on a lot of the latest Masters sets, even at the regular pack price. Getting these packs down to around $10 isn't necessarily a fantastic deal. It's all a gamble.
So the box topper adds almost $56 to the price of a box or $2.33 per pack. That seems pretty *****ty.
Box of 24 packs =$335.76 or 13.99 per pack
3-pack Blister=34.99 or $11.66 per pack
11.66*24=279.84
Talk about getting raked over the coals for the box topper. For reference $60 is the amount it costs to buy red dead redemption 2. A video game that cost hundreds of millions of dollars to produce. Wotc sure has an inflated sense of what a tiny piece of cardboard with a pretty picture should be worth.
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Not really. It's a broad hobby. I don't see anything I really need here. And even if I did, it's only one copy for EDH. I'd rather have Morningtide Bitterblossom any day over the super promo one here for example. And again, only one. Depends on your preferences. As an EDH player preferring non-foils and original art, this set does nothing for me. Drives the price down if I needed these cards, which so far, nothing I need thankfully. Just curb your desires for things that really matter.
Oh you're absolutely right. It was just a general observation of sorts. I personally have never bought a box, even from regular sets.
Wizards of the Coast: Pushing devout customers into the sweet embrace of Communism.
I feel like I might regret this, but I can't resist: How on earth is this communism?
This is not a political comment but a joke (perhaps unsuccessful). The essence of the joke is Communism --> equality for all --> everyone gets the same --> down with capitalism, burn the bourgeoisie.
I would never attempt to make genuine political comments in a Magic the Gathering related forum.
$15 per pack is reaaallllly steep. The rares and mythics have all the goodies prior masters sets haven't dropped the price of (Goyf, Snappy, Lili, Karn, Urborg) plus several cards that were crying out for reprints and should still pay for a pack even after this levels their price a bit (Eldrazi Titans, Ancient Tomb, Demonic Tutor). Even so, each color is going to need to have at least two uncommons in the same realm as Witness and Finks to make this worthwhile?
I put Tron there because I think new card face foil Tron would sell packs even though they aren't quite at $5. I don't expect ALL of those, but honestly if we just get Edict, Path, the 'Tron, Remand, and any two of the artifacts alongside Lightning Bolt at uncommon that'd be a great start. Shifting too many of these to rare will be a major disappointment.
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Pricing these at almost three times the cost of a regular pack is surely a measure to bring down the prices of needed cards on the secondary market and not a ploy to make as much money as possible instead of caring for the health of the game, right gents? ...Gents?
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I think it'd be pure blindness on Wizards' part to not include the Tron lands here, but then again they could have included them in either of the Masters sets earlier this year. They seem like obvious inclusions, especially with Masters sets taking a break after this. Won't really get a good chance to reprint them for a long while.
Well they are saying sorry by asking us for more money, the prices on these packs and boxes are definitely affected by the secondary market. Usual master packs are 10 bucks, these are 14. The cards are cool, but I dont think I'll be supporting WOTC with this decision
Welp this is certainly a singles only sort of set for me. I honestly dont get it. There has been plently of people saying the msrp on these are too high so what do they do, they raise the price.
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SonofaBith - Wizards was so excited about making the packaging for Modern Masters 2 recyclable, they decided to make most of the rares and all but 1 of the UC's recycle-bin ready too. Convenient!
So, they finally (maybe) make a Masters set that is worth the $10/pack price tag, and decide to jack it up even further. The Masters sets have almost completely failed in their intended purposes of putting needed cards into circulation and lowering prices on staples. Why? Because this premium product just had to have limited come first. UMA will probably be the same way. It'll be number seven in a product line that only had a 50% success rate. Good riddance.
Side note, these borderless cards look pretty ugly.
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*whistle* Looks like they're bringing the juice this time. I'm guessing the overwhelmingly positive reception to Battlebond prompted the decision to shelve the Masters line in favor of more Battlebond-esque sets in the future.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
PSA to everyone who keeps forgetting about the Reserved List:
You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
I think it'd be pure blindness on Wizards' part to not include the Tron lands here, but then again they could have included them in either of the Masters sets earlier this year. They seem like obvious inclusions, especially with Masters sets taking a break after this. Won't really get a good chance to reprint them for a long while.
Urborg is number 254 out of 254 so no Urza's lands, sorry.
So, they finally (maybe) make a Masters set that is worth the $10/pack price tag, and decide to jack it up even further. The Masters sets have almost completely failed in their intended purposes of putting needed cards into circulation and lowering prices on staples.
*looks over at complete UWR Modern deck 99% reprinted*
I'm not sure how I feel about this. The promos are going to make it incredibly difficult and expensive to build out playsets that match.
The price tag is restrictive. Not only that, but I know my LGS will jack up the price AND sell out asap (which I can't say I blame them for the former given the latter). Acquiring packs could be an issue.
Our player base is bleeding out slowly because no one can get into the game affordably - and the next product is a super short lead time on an overpriced chase card set. This does nothing to get butts in chairs to run actual tournaments.
I think announcing that this is the last "masters set for awhile" fails in two respects. First one is wallet fatigue from the bank account slaughter that started with OGW. Telling me it's slowing down after years of masterpieces, buy a box exclusives, and crap like the GRN mythic edition is backed by zero consumer confidence. Secondly, the major players in the market may take it as confirmation that prices don't have to adjust by much given there is no second swing coming. Reprints probably won't tank prices into the dirt. It'll be a limited print run or chase cards that have an inventory dip of 20-50% for like a week before stuff starts climbing again (look at scalding tarn and horizon canopy - yes they were impacted but they still aren't cheap). SCG has bought goyfs for less than the market low prior to almost every release of these specialty sets - there is zero threat to their inventory levels for sitting on crap and letting the price appreciate.
I want reprints, I don't want the price tag that goes along with them. The box MSRP is already silly. Buying into the core of most modern decks that exist today was cheaper than just one box of this set if you moved early enough. That's why the market freaks out because if you miss the train (eye of ugin is a great example) you pay through the nose for it. So standard movers and shakers just auto float up to $20-40 a piece. Like wtf is history of benalia so expensive with no eternal port? Because just in case, that's why.
Also, with the box toppers - how much of a spit in the face is that to people who couldn't even order the product due to geographic location lol. Not only do you miss out on grn mythic - but you don't get a shot at the couple hundred USD chase card consultation prize because we can't build a competent website to handle traffic patterns.
I think it'd be pure blindness on Wizards' part to not include the Tron lands here, but then again they could have included them in either of the Masters sets earlier this year. They seem like obvious inclusions, especially with Masters sets taking a break after this. Won't really get a good chance to reprint them for a long while.
Urborg is number 254 out of 254 so no Urza's lands, sorry.
Damn, that really sucks. I remember MaRo saying the Tron land reprints were a when, not an if, but a masters set was the only thing that really made sense to me as a medium.
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Wizards ceasing to support magic is preferable to what they are doing now.
Also daily reminder WotC does not care about the secondary market. /sarcasm
Wizards thinks a lot of things. Wizards has been fairly consistently wrong about those things for almost 2 years now, unless those things have to do with Arena or Standard after the rotation. How much faith can I have as a Modern player in such a company, given their past actions this year and last?
The "evidence" is that there are no products I can think of they could print Fetches in. The Guild Kits had maybe 3 needed reprints. Is 3 reprints per set going to satisfy demand? In limited print run products? Not remotely. If people are going to play Magic as a *game*, not a financial investment, Wizards has been going about things the wrong way. I have little faith they will suddenly do a 180 and "figure out" how to solve Modern's current supply and pricing issues.
We have seen little evidence they will solve these issues. It is observable from the past few years that they either don't care, or are being mismanaged by HASBRO. What else can I think but, "Sucks to be me?"
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Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
...and if your topper was one of the dud lands?
You sell it sealed. There are enough really good, valuable, beautiful cards worth well over $100 to cancel out the duds. Assuming there’s no way to peek at the card or manipulate the pack, $100 wouldn’t be a bad price for a sealed box topper.
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Btw, I'm totally changing my username to OblivionedTwo https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/800876-uma-ultimate-masters-box-topper-promos?comment=84
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
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Box of 24 packs =$335.76 or 13.99 per pack
3-pack Blister=34.99 or $11.66 per pack
11.66*24=279.84
Talk about getting raked over the coals for the box topper. For reference $60 is the amount it costs to buy red dead redemption 2. A video game that cost hundreds of millions of dollars to produce. Wotc sure has an inflated sense of what a tiny piece of cardboard with a pretty picture should be worth.
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Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
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This is not a political comment but a joke (perhaps unsuccessful). The essence of the joke is Communism --> equality for all --> everyone gets the same --> down with capitalism, burn the bourgeoisie.
I would never attempt to make genuine political comments in a Magic the Gathering related forum.
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Friendly Kess Twin Combo
Tatyova - Sir Bounce A Lot
Gonti's Luxury Pie
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Good candidates to get there:
1 Path to Exile
1 Steelshaper's Gift
BLUE: 3
1 Propaganda
1 Remand
1 Rhystic Study
1 Sea Drake
BLACK: 3
1 Animate Dead
1 Chainer's Edict
1 Golgari Thug
1 Necromancy
1 Goblin General
1 Goblin Lackey
GREEN: 1
1 Constant Mists
MULTICOLOR: 3
1 Aura Shards
1 Lim-Dul's Vault
1 Manamorphose
ARTIFACTS: 5
1 Ashnod's Altar
1 Chromatic Star
1 Krark-Clan Ironworks
1 Isochron Scepter
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Ancient Ziggurat
1 Cabal Coffers
1 Eldrazi Temple
1 Gemstone Mine
1 Urza's Mine
1 Urza's Power Plant
1 Urza's Tower
I put Tron there because I think new card face foil Tron would sell packs even though they aren't quite at $5. I don't expect ALL of those, but honestly if we just get Edict, Path, the 'Tron, Remand, and any two of the artifacts alongside Lightning Bolt at uncommon that'd be a great start. Shifting too many of these to rare will be a major disappointment.
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WGBDoran: Ent-mootWBG
GGGMultani: Group Bear HugGGG
GB(B/G)The Gitrog Monster: Dredgefall DurdleGB(B/G)
RGWGahiji, the Honored Group Hug MonsterRGW
UB(U/B)Yuriko, Ninja Trinket AggroUB(U/B)
WUBRGAtogatog: Assembling a OHKOWUBRG
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GW Rhys the Redeemed EDH
RUGAnimar, Soul of Elements EDH
WBRAlesha, Who Smiles at Death EDH
Side note, these borderless cards look pretty ugly.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Urborg is number 254 out of 254 so no Urza's lands, sorry.
*looks over at complete UWR Modern deck 99% reprinted*
Nah.
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The price tag is restrictive. Not only that, but I know my LGS will jack up the price AND sell out asap (which I can't say I blame them for the former given the latter). Acquiring packs could be an issue.
Our player base is bleeding out slowly because no one can get into the game affordably - and the next product is a super short lead time on an overpriced chase card set. This does nothing to get butts in chairs to run actual tournaments.
I think announcing that this is the last "masters set for awhile" fails in two respects. First one is wallet fatigue from the bank account slaughter that started with OGW. Telling me it's slowing down after years of masterpieces, buy a box exclusives, and crap like the GRN mythic edition is backed by zero consumer confidence. Secondly, the major players in the market may take it as confirmation that prices don't have to adjust by much given there is no second swing coming. Reprints probably won't tank prices into the dirt. It'll be a limited print run or chase cards that have an inventory dip of 20-50% for like a week before stuff starts climbing again (look at scalding tarn and horizon canopy - yes they were impacted but they still aren't cheap). SCG has bought goyfs for less than the market low prior to almost every release of these specialty sets - there is zero threat to their inventory levels for sitting on crap and letting the price appreciate.
I want reprints, I don't want the price tag that goes along with them. The box MSRP is already silly. Buying into the core of most modern decks that exist today was cheaper than just one box of this set if you moved early enough. That's why the market freaks out because if you miss the train (eye of ugin is a great example) you pay through the nose for it. So standard movers and shakers just auto float up to $20-40 a piece. Like wtf is history of benalia so expensive with no eternal port? Because just in case, that's why.
Also, with the box toppers - how much of a spit in the face is that to people who couldn't even order the product due to geographic location lol. Not only do you miss out on grn mythic - but you don't get a shot at the couple hundred USD chase card consultation prize because we can't build a competent website to handle traffic patterns.
What a joke.
Damn, that really sucks. I remember MaRo saying the Tron land reprints were a when, not an if, but a masters set was the only thing that really made sense to me as a medium.