Because, fundamentally, it's a preposterous AWC Johnny card, and those cards are always more fun when they are bad. Taking a steaming pile of pewp and winning with it is The Johnny Way. The worse it is, the more fun it is to win with it. When it's still kinda playable, as this card is, it doesn't really feel like you've committed a coup when you get that third hit counter.
I don't really understand who this card is for. Somebody who wants to show off how quickly and deeply they can surveil for copies of this card? Might be fun for a game or two, but surveil lends itself to fishing out so many other Johnny combos, I can't see this card headlining that kind of deck for too long. The whole affair just feels odd and unfortunate. Disappointed.
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Makes up for how Dimir got shafted back in the original Golgari block with a guild leader who can (almost) never do Commander damage.
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
As an Italian, I find kinda funny that they named her "Etrata". In Italian entrata means literally "[she] entered", and since she "can't be blocked", lead me to think if it's really just a coincidence, or the creative team had the conscious decision to name her with that in mind.
Actually, since this card is unblockable, I can see running it WITH Yuriko. If the enemy has a big nasty out, you get to remove it, otherwise you jut use Etrata to Ninjutsu Yuriko in. Basically, use Etrata as a Ninjutsu enabler who also happens to have a situationally good removal attached to it, without caring too much about the alt wincon.
Or, to borrow my favorite kamigawa limited trick - give her first strike, deal damage, etrata trigger, ninjitsu. Do 3 damage, exile a critter, bounce her for her next mission and get your ninjitsu "double strike" damage and trigger...
For an effortless bounce effect in Commander, you can go with Seal of Removal. Plop it down turn 1, fire it off in response to the first hit, replay her. Snap also works, obviously, but is more likely to get countered. No real combo there or anything, just random cards one would stick into a commander deck that aims to win with her. Someone also mentioned Ninjitsu, add that to the list, too.
Also, errr, if you sacrifice your own commander, she goes to the commander zone, right? So just sac her twice, recast her for a bit more mana... You're blue/black, getting 3 hits in that way ought to be slowish but fairly dependably doable.
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"Masques Block is the worst block ever! There's not one decent card in there! The whole internet say's so, you're literally the only person who ever said it was good!" - random noob in a conversation with an Eldrazi.
I really want to like this card. The art is awesome, the assassin vampire is awesome, the ability is very cool. Its just that.....I dont see it really working. 4 CMC. The exile is great but still targets. So basically a delayed 4 mana removal. The alt win will almost never happen except maybe in commander. I love it for its design but its just...eh i dont know.
If it was (U/B)(U/B) and 0/2 that returned to your hand then I guess shes too powerful but THAT would be something to deal with. I guess they pumped her stats for anti-removal herself but it could still happen. Maybe if she would be put in graveyard, shuffle back into library would be good. Just seems win more by the time you hit the third time around turn 9-10?? Should have already won by then I guess. Lots of hoops but still the Coolest card out there
I still want it in FOIL just to sit in the Binder though.
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Been a member here for over a dozen years. Playing since '95 just got lost in the twitch shuffle.
Shame Double Strike doesn't work with this (first strike damage triggers the shuffle clause and anything that removes her from that also nullifies her normal strike damage)... or I'll find a a way to give her Triple Strike (thanks Unstable!)
I'm quite confident they named her on purpose, especially with the title of "silencer" (which erratas technically do for mistakes). Ironic that this is printed in a set with Day-Zero Errata itself (or is it ironic if you have a tinfoil hat on?)
Don't want to shuffle? Helm of the Host people. Technical 2 turn kill as long as you don't attack with the original the first turn (the original doesn't have haste but the copy does) and then attack with both the next turn.
I think the sorcery speed is going to make this one a bit hard to work. But you could have a near creatureless deck and have creature token generators, or even creature lands, like Inkmoth Nexus to have a meaningful way to chain together repeatable library grabs. But still quite the work around.
Just Teferi's Veil friends, she stops existing after she does her assassination, then she's a fresh object on your next turn.
This is how I'd be doing it if I wasn't going to build my Jugan, the Rising Star silliness.
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Just Teferi's Veil friends, she stops existing after she does her assassination, then she's a fresh object on your next turn.
This is how I'd be doing it if I wasn't going to build my Jugan, the Rising Star silliness.
Hmm, End of Combat is a step after Combat Damage Step, so you'll still shuffle in Etrata.
What happen if the opponent doesn't have creatures?
The defending player takes 3 damage and, sadly, Etrata's owner shuffles her back into their library.
Since it's a targeted triggered ability and since it's all one block of text, if there's no legal targets doesn't the whole combat ability get countered (by the rules)? So she doesn't shuffle herself into the deck?
What happen if the opponent doesn't have creatures?
The defending player takes 3 damage and, sadly, Etrata's owner shuffles her back into their library.
Since it's a targeted triggered ability and since it's all one block of text, if there's no legal targets doesn't the whole combat ability get countered (by the rules)? So she doesn't shuffle herself into the deck?
Specifically, the ability won't even get put onto the stack at all. Similarly, she won't shuffle in if your opponent makes the target illegal in response (such as with a sacrifice or protection spell).
I think the sorcery speed is going to make this one a bit hard to work. But you could have a near creatureless deck and have creature token generators, or even creature lands, like Inkmoth Nexus to have a meaningful way to chain together repeatable library grabs. But still quite the work around.
Proteus Staff is my pet card, and I’ve used it nearly every chance I get. I’m already salivating at the chance to run this in a creatureless artifact/token deck.
this is probably the most boring art i have ever seen on a card. "background? who needs it. just go with dark shadows everywhere, nobody will care/notice"
im 100% convinced wizards must be underpaying artists so they have no choice but to cut corners on this stuff
this is probably the most boring art i have ever seen on a card. "background? who needs it. just go with dark shadows everywhere, nobody will care/notice"
im 100% convinced wizards must be underpaying artists so they have no choice but to cut corners on this stuff
There’s a whole big moon, bats and towers that, even in shadow, have details on them.
If you want to complain at least do it about something reasonable.
Niv, Etrata, and Lazav are great. Emmara, and Izoni are meh. Aurelia is pretty bad as a commander and while it’s possible Tajic is good I’m not holding my breath, but what do you expect from Boros?
Also maybe stop baiting? “Oh this sucks” statements with no explanations about your opinion don’t contribute anything to the conversation and make you look childish.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
A Voltron deck that just wants Fireshrieker and Whispersilk Cloak and says "I don't need any power boosts."
Makes up for how Dimir got shafted back in the original Golgari block with a guild leader who can (almost) never do Commander damage.
On phasing:
Multilingual must be cherished.
Etrata as an artifact EDH leader? Count me in.
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Or, to borrow my favorite kamigawa limited trick - give her first strike, deal damage, etrata trigger, ninjitsu. Do 3 damage, exile a critter, bounce her for her next mission and get your ninjitsu "double strike" damage and trigger...
Niv-Mizzet Reborn
Feather, the Redeemed
Estrid, the Masked
Teshar
Tymna/Ravos
Najeela, Blade-Blossom
Firesong & Sunspeaker
Zur the Enchanter
Lazav, the Multifarious
Ishai+Reyhan
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Also, errr, if you sacrifice your own commander, she goes to the commander zone, right? So just sac her twice, recast her for a bit more mana... You're blue/black, getting 3 hits in that way ought to be slowish but fairly dependably doable.
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If it was (U/B)(U/B) and 0/2 that returned to your hand then I guess shes too powerful but THAT would be something to deal with. I guess they pumped her stats for anti-removal herself but it could still happen. Maybe if she would be put in graveyard, shuffle back into library would be good. Just seems win more by the time you hit the third time around turn 9-10?? Should have already won by then I guess. Lots of hoops but still the Coolest card out there
I still want it in FOIL just to sit in the Binder though.
Vanishing is pretty nice on this as well, you can phase it out with the exile trigger on the stack.
Niv-Mizzet Reborn
Feather, the Redeemed
Estrid, the Masked
Teshar
Tymna/Ravos
Najeela, Blade-Blossom
Firesong & Sunspeaker
Zur the Enchanter
Lazav, the Multifarious
Ishai+Reyhan
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---------------------Will & Rowan Kenrith
I'm quite confident they named her on purpose, especially with the title of "silencer" (which erratas technically do for mistakes). Ironic that this is printed in a set with Day-Zero Errata itself (or is it ironic if you have a tinfoil hat on?)
Don't want to shuffle? Helm of the Host people. Technical 2 turn kill as long as you don't attack with the original the first turn (the original doesn't have haste but the copy does) and then attack with both the next turn.
Niv-Mizzet Reborn
Feather, the Redeemed
Estrid, the Masked
Teshar
Tymna/Ravos
Najeela, Blade-Blossom
Firesong & Sunspeaker
Zur the Enchanter
Lazav, the Multifarious
Ishai+Reyhan
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---------------------Will & Rowan Kenrith
The defending player takes 3 damage and, sadly, Etrata's owner shuffles her back into their library.
This is how I'd be doing it if I wasn't going to build my Jugan, the Rising Star silliness.
Currently focusing on Pre-Modern (Mono-Black Discard Control) and Modern (Azorious Control, Temur Rhinos).
Find me at the Wizard's Tower in Ottawa every second Saturday afternoons.
Niv-Mizzet Reborn
Feather, the Redeemed
Estrid, the Masked
Teshar
Tymna/Ravos
Najeela, Blade-Blossom
Firesong & Sunspeaker
Zur the Enchanter
Lazav, the Multifarious
Ishai+Reyhan
Click images for decks->
-Prime Speaker Vannifar
---------------------Will & Rowan Kenrith
Since it's a targeted triggered ability and since it's all one block of text, if there's no legal targets doesn't the whole combat ability get countered (by the rules)? So she doesn't shuffle herself into the deck?
Proteus Staff is my pet card, and I’ve used it nearly every chance I get. I’m already salivating at the chance to run this in a creatureless artifact/token deck.
im 100% convinced wizards must be underpaying artists so they have no choice but to cut corners on this stuff
There’s a whole big moon, bats and towers that, even in shadow, have details on them.
If you want to complain at least do it about something reasonable.
Nope
Art student, EDH lover and a strong believer that Delver has the best design in all of MTG.
Niv, Etrata, and Lazav are great. Emmara, and Izoni are meh. Aurelia is pretty bad as a commander and while it’s possible Tajic is good I’m not holding my breath, but what do you expect from Boros?
Also maybe stop baiting? “Oh this sucks” statements with no explanations about your opinion don’t contribute anything to the conversation and make you look childish.