Day 0 Errata... talk about feel bad. You know there's going to be casual players casting this at pre-release expecting it to do as worded. Going to be awkward when someone casts this and you have to explain it was an EoT only effect, hard to believe a brand new card is worded wrongly without seeing an official statement somewhere, will lead to some salty people for sure.
At least Invent is still cool? Not sure how I feel about these split cards where I want to only cast one half an overwhelming majority of the time, but I guess I'm glad Izzet is getting something worth while.
I think Invert is almost always going to be useless. Except for countering a mentor trigger or something stupid like that maybe.
On an unrelated note, where the heck are the jump start cards? We've had like two spoiled from the original 4 and one of those is another common. Where are the rares and uncommons wizards, HUH
Invert is very important for Boros. As I expected--though not on a split card--Boros now has a way to completely screw your combat math and also sneak counters onto Mentor targets that would otherwise not work.
Day Zero Errata...........wtf lame.
Design, Game testing, editing, print......this was never caught? Gimme a break WOTC. Get yur s straight.
Plus the semi confusing wording on both sides of this card. Just a mess. Tighten up people
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Ok, so I understand now that Invert is until end of turn (not what the card says:frown:). Am I confusing myself with Invent and that you can tutor an instant AND sorcery at the same time? That AND/OR really seems out of place and would really expect it to be OR. Overall, whomever was in charge of this card dropped the ball on the wording.
Ok, so I understand now that Invert is until end of turn (not what the card says:frown:). Am I confusing myself with Invent and that you can tutor an instant AND sorcery at the same time? That AND/OR really seems out of place and would really expect it to be OR. Overall, whomever was in charge of this card dropped the ball on the wording.
I'm not sure how else you could have worded Invent. But yes, you can find an instant AND a sorcery. That is what the AND in "and/or" is there for. Or if you want, you can just go get an instant OR a sorcery, if that is all you need.
Ok, so I understand now that Invert is until end of turn (not what the card says:frown:). Am I confusing myself with Invent and that you can tutor an instant AND sorcery at the same time? That AND/OR really seems out of place and would really expect it to be OR. Overall, whomever was in charge of this card dropped the ball on the wording.
I'm not sure how else you could have worded Invent. But yes, you can find an instant AND a sorcery. That is what the AND in "and/or" is there for. Or if you want, you can just go get an instant OR a sorcery, if that is all you need.
if it was only AND you could not get an instant or a Sorcery unless you get both, this way you can get 0, 1 or 2 cards from this.
your enemy has a 5/5 and you have a 1/1 you can then swap their power and toughness so you have a 5/5 and they have the 1/1 ?
No, it does nothing with identical p/t. Say your had a Giant Spider (2/4) and a Blinding Angel (also 2/4), you could make them both 4/2 until end of turn. Or you can switch one of your creatures p/t and one of theirs. It's a very deep combat trick that is going to cause some headaches, looks like. The creatures do not swap toughness with another, just their own numbers get mishmashed.
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if it was only AND you could not get an instant or a Sorcery unless you get both, this way you can get 0, 1 or 2 cards from this.
This is wrong by the rules.
The OR is not necessary, as the AND means you can "Fail to find" as the card is something specific, you can totally just search an instant OR a sorcery even if the wording is an AND.
However, that you CAN fail to find is something you need to know, so the wording here just "tries" to be more clear and uses the "and/or" to actually make sure you can search both or just 1 (or you can fail to find both and search no cards at all).
Ok, so I understand now that Invert is until end of turn (not what the card says:frown:). Am I confusing myself with Invent and that you can tutor an instant AND sorcery at the same time? That AND/OR really seems out of place and would really expect it to be OR. Overall, whomever was in charge of this card dropped the ball on the wording.
I'm not sure how else you could have worded Invent.
"Search your library for up to one instant and up to one sorcery"
I'm never the guy that bashes a set based on early spoilers, but I gotta say barring maybe 4-5 cards everything we've gotten so far feels like DGM leftovers. Not hyped at all so far.
Yeah, I feel really underwhelmed too. I know that we've still only seen a fraction of the set, but 114/259 is still a decent number, and like...aside from the planeswalkers, Neo Abrupt Decay, and the not-really-hexproof 6/6 for 4, I barely even remember the cards we've seen so far, let alone am excited for them. And Return to Ravnica was my favorite set for a long time, so it seems even more disappointing than most weak-looking sets.
I'm starting to think how many cards would be affected if they just implemented a "Effects that alter a creature's power and/or toughness without the use of counters/auras/equipment/other markers will wear off at the end of turn, at the same time as damage does, unless the card specifies otherwise" rule instead. I mean, we did just have the entire planeswalker-damage revamp...
Obviously Invent will be an instant EDH hit, just Tooth and Nail for spells. (Arguably, that's what Overwhelming Intellect is, TAN for everything.)
I actually have made a global P/T switch card before. I called it Main Gauche. But I'd never make it permanent as anything other than, well, a permanent.
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
More day zero errata! This gets to join the prestigious and ever-growing list of cards that somehow make it through the many hands at WOTC just to be caught within minutes when looked at by the players. Hostage Taker and Ordinary Pony welcome you into the club, Invert. At least it wasn't part of a same-block twocard infinite combo.
This is going straight into my Melek, Izzet ParagonEDH deck. You can easily fish out two spells that will win you the game when you untap. Worst case scenario: you grab a sweeper and counterspell or something. This would be trash at Sorcery speed but it's amazing as an Instant.
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I think Invert is almost always going to be useless. Except for countering a mentor trigger or something stupid like that maybe.
Design, Game testing, editing, print......this was never caught? Gimme a break WOTC. Get yur s straight.
Plus the semi confusing wording on both sides of this card. Just a mess. Tighten up people
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I'm not sure how else you could have worded Invent. But yes, you can find an instant AND a sorcery. That is what the AND in "and/or" is there for. Or if you want, you can just go get an instant OR a sorcery, if that is all you need.
if it was only AND you could not get an instant or a Sorcery unless you get both, this way you can get 0, 1 or 2 cards from this.
No, it does nothing with identical p/t. Say your had a Giant Spider (2/4) and a Blinding Angel (also 2/4), you could make them both 4/2 until end of turn. Or you can switch one of your creatures p/t and one of theirs. It's a very deep combat trick that is going to cause some headaches, looks like. The creatures do not swap toughness with another, just their own numbers get mishmashed.
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This is wrong by the rules.
The OR is not necessary, as the AND means you can "Fail to find" as the card is something specific, you can totally just search an instant OR a sorcery even if the wording is an AND.
However, that you CAN fail to find is something you need to know, so the wording here just "tries" to be more clear and uses the "and/or" to actually make sure you can search both or just 1 (or you can fail to find both and search no cards at all).
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Yeah, I feel really underwhelmed too. I know that we've still only seen a fraction of the set, but 114/259 is still a decent number, and like...aside from the planeswalkers, Neo Abrupt Decay, and the not-really-hexproof 6/6 for 4, I barely even remember the cards we've seen so far, let alone am excited for them. And Return to Ravnica was my favorite set for a long time, so it seems even more disappointing than most weak-looking sets.
I'm starting to think how many cards would be affected if they just implemented a "Effects that alter a creature's power and/or toughness without the use of counters/auras/equipment/other markers will wear off at the end of turn, at the same time as damage does, unless the card specifies otherwise" rule instead. I mean, we did just have the entire planeswalker-damage revamp...
I actually have made a global P/T switch card before. I called it Main Gauche. But I'd never make it permanent as anything other than, well, a permanent.
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