There are Vedalken on ravnica. They only have 5 fingers though (kaladesh has 6)
Dovin baan is a possibility, although I don't see him aligning with bolas. He worked with tesseret when he thought he was doing the right thing and it all crashed down around him. He was mislead. He's a good guy but got tricked.
Tezeret will lead either azorius or orshov - only 2 guilds thst make sense. He is espers colours (though they sometimes drop the white) I can see them making a variation of him that drops blue or black instead.
Oh damn, I was totally wrong on Ravnican Vedalken, my b.
I'm still pretty sure we won't get Baan as the Azorius leader. He's an engineer, not a lawyer, though I can see how they might justify his involvement with Azorius. I still don't think Baan is on the Bolas-hype-train, though. I imagine we'll see him again at some point, as an adversary to the Gatewatch, just not within the Bolas arc.
I'm not sold on Tezz either, though. We've never actually seen a UWB Tezz, even though he hails from Esper, and I'm pretty sure that's because he isn't a white character. If anything, I could have seen him being involved with the Dimir, with his nefarious scheming, but they're apparently in the anti-Bolas category, so I'm calling no Tezz in the GRN or RNA. He'll probably appear in Milk, along with Bolas himself and Lili.
Question is do you even need Red anymore or is better to just go straight Golgari and have a better mana base.
Probably don't need red, although Trophy is insane with BBE, trophy also does the role of bolt just fine: kill creatures and walkers, versatile enough for every matchup. Being straight GB allows you to maximize on Trophy + Field of Ruin, which you definitely can't underestimate; being the best field of ruin deck is one of the reasons why UW is enjoying so much success in modern, and that is in large part due to the synergy between path and field (the other main factor would be the fact that UW really wants to take advantage of having lots of mana}. I think if there's a "big" abzan deck that can support 4x Field of Ruin, PTE + Trophy, it could be a force to be reckoned with in modern.
WOTC hates RW. I complained about lack of spells before that are any good and someone said well Boros doesnt have a spell focus...yeah well Golgari has a creature focus in this set yet gets top tier removal. Granted Vraska is going to be important this set storyline wise so I guess Golgari getting pushed make sense. But that doesn't cover all the other time RW gets the shaft. BG and RB always get good removal, RW nope Lightning Helix and Boros Command are as good as it will ever get.
Besides Ravnica guilds have an outsized influence on two color pairs anyway. Which means RW will never shine lol outside of Burn Decks.
Response//Resurgence is very good, and I think its being overshadowed because the hype (warranted hype) around Trophy. 2 mana removal spell that can also protect your best attacker is fine, add on additional mode that can be used against creature light opponents or when you need a little more reach and you have one pretty good spell imo.
Not even close to the same class...2 CMC for 5 damage is fine I guess since 5 damage kills most creatures but ugh its limited to creature that are attacking or defending. and the 5 CMC half barely worth talking about in my book especially for Boros which tends to not want a lot of lands.
Has anybody mentioned that it can be used as land ramp and mana fixing for yourself?
Between this and Wasteland in Legacy you'll find that you can win games against certain decks if they stumble on mana even just a little bit. Land destruction is the real deal. Two-card combo!
Modern control decks, yes please. Sideboard card for even some combo decks, sure.
Standard will see play sets of 4 cropping up everywhere. "Tapping out for Teferi, Hero of Dominaria? I'll pop it I guess.".
Will make it hard to play up coming combo decks that rely on permanent cards in Standard.
In the context of the plane it doesn’t matter so maybe my point wasn’t that great but at least when looking at non ravnica sets enemy pairing are supposed to naturally occur less often because those two colors contradict flavor-wise. It’s the same reason we see allied pairings so much more often than enemy. If you could point to the other enemy pairings and show me examples of the same sort of love GB gets then it wouldn’t a huge deal to me but to single out ONE color combination as essentially treat it as the sixth allied pair is dumb.
Honestly the whole "ally colors are inherently better or more co-operative or whatever than enemy colors" is such an antiquated and useless philosophy. It actively fights against fair gameplay, and why? Because some little dots on the back of the cards are next to each other and others aren't? It's just dumb.
I can quote Mark Rosewater from about a dozen different statements when he says that literally anything can be justified by flavor, and Ravnica proves that enemy colors can be just as agreeable as allies, just as I'm sure anybody could think of philosophical disagreements between ally colors. If I could redo MTG from the beginning, "allies" and "enemies" would not be a thing in the context of colors. All colors would be treated equally.
Anyway, rant over.
I do agree that Golgari hasn't yet had a set that didn't include some very desirable cards, whereas some other guilds seem to always suffer.
And yet, I *guarantee* you that Orzhov will not get any removal as strong as this in the next set.
WotC have been pushing BG (especially over other enemy pairs) for a really long time now.
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Has anybody mentioned that it can be used as land ramp and mana fixing for yourself?
Between this and Wasteland in Legacy you'll find that you can win games against certain decks if they stumble on mana even just a little bit. Land destruction is the real deal. Two-card combo!
Are these two comments supposed to be together? If so, I'm not sure how that would work exactly?
The fact is, Boros is the army guild, and army aggro is where RW overlaps the most. What else are they supposed to do? Gain life? Burn stuff? Destroy permanents? Asking for RW control is like asking for UB aggro; it grinds against the color pair's natural grain. Besides, we don't know what all Boros is getting in GRN yet. I presume some manner of Helix spell will be appearing; we might even get strictly-better Energy Bolt, as in an X-cost instant that deals X damage and gains you X life. Or maybe even a XRRWW wrath that deals X damage to each creature and gains you that much life.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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Still this card is pretty powerful. I feel like it's an upgraded cast down. Yea, there were cards before it, but yea... This card sounds like a good play no matter whether it's early/mid/late game. Just glad it says target at least...granted I don't think you can make lands hexproof or indestructible so your still hosed against this. Not only that, it gets rid of artifacts, enchantments, planeswalkers and timmy creatures.
if I were BG I'd run 3-4 of these in the deck.
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Oh damn, I was totally wrong on Ravnican Vedalken, my b.
I'm still pretty sure we won't get Baan as the Azorius leader. He's an engineer, not a lawyer, though I can see how they might justify his involvement with Azorius. I still don't think Baan is on the Bolas-hype-train, though. I imagine we'll see him again at some point, as an adversary to the Gatewatch, just not within the Bolas arc.
I'm not sold on Tezz either, though. We've never actually seen a UWB Tezz, even though he hails from Esper, and I'm pretty sure that's because he isn't a white character. If anything, I could have seen him being involved with the Dimir, with his nefarious scheming, but they're apparently in the anti-Bolas category, so I'm calling no Tezz in the GRN or RNA. He'll probably appear in Milk, along with Bolas himself and Lili.
Probably don't need red, although Trophy is insane with BBE, trophy also does the role of bolt just fine: kill creatures and walkers, versatile enough for every matchup. Being straight GB allows you to maximize on Trophy + Field of Ruin, which you definitely can't underestimate; being the best field of ruin deck is one of the reasons why UW is enjoying so much success in modern, and that is in large part due to the synergy between path and field (the other main factor would be the fact that UW really wants to take advantage of having lots of mana}. I think if there's a "big" abzan deck that can support 4x Field of Ruin, PTE + Trophy, it could be a force to be reckoned with in modern.
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Niv-Mizzet Reborn
Feather, the Redeemed
Estrid, the Masked
Teshar
Tymna/Ravos
Najeela, Blade-Blossom
Firesong & Sunspeaker
Zur the Enchanter
Lazav, the Multifarious
Ishai+Reyhan
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---------------------Will & Rowan Kenrith
Well....
Instant staple in modern? Check.
Instant staple in legacy? Check.
WotC, take my money and gimme four of those. Or 8... Or 12...
Response//Resurgence is very good, and I think its being overshadowed because the hype (warranted hype) around Trophy. 2 mana removal spell that can also protect your best attacker is fine, add on additional mode that can be used against creature light opponents or when you need a little more reach and you have one pretty good spell imo.
So exactly how large is Isperia? I mean there is a path, bridge and tower in the art and they are miniscule.
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Between this and Wasteland in Legacy you'll find that you can win games against certain decks if they stumble on mana even just a little bit. Land destruction is the real deal. Two-card combo!
Modern control decks, yes please. Sideboard card for even some combo decks, sure.
Standard will see play sets of 4 cropping up everywhere. "Tapping out for Teferi, Hero of Dominaria? I'll pop it I guess.".
Will make it hard to play up coming combo decks that rely on permanent cards in Standard.
Commander staple for black/green inclusive decks.
Niv-Mizzet Reborn
Feather, the Redeemed
Estrid, the Masked
Teshar
Tymna/Ravos
Najeela, Blade-Blossom
Firesong & Sunspeaker
Zur the Enchanter
Lazav, the Multifarious
Ishai+Reyhan
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Feather, the Redeemed
Estrid, the Masked
Teshar
Tymna/Ravos
Najeela, Blade-Blossom
Firesong & Sunspeaker
Zur the Enchanter
Lazav, the Multifarious
Ishai+Reyhan
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I can quote Mark Rosewater from about a dozen different statements when he says that literally anything can be justified by flavor, and Ravnica proves that enemy colors can be just as agreeable as allies, just as I'm sure anybody could think of philosophical disagreements between ally colors. If I could redo MTG from the beginning, "allies" and "enemies" would not be a thing in the context of colors. All colors would be treated equally.
Anyway, rant over.
I do agree that Golgari hasn't yet had a set that didn't include some very desirable cards, whereas some other guilds seem to always suffer.
And yet, I *guarantee* you that Orzhov will not get any removal as strong as this in the next set.
WotC have been pushing BG (especially over other enemy pairs) for a really long time now.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
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Are these two comments supposed to be together? If so, I'm not sure how that would work exactly?
The fact is, Boros is the army guild, and army aggro is where RW overlaps the most. What else are they supposed to do? Gain life? Burn stuff? Destroy permanents? Asking for RW control is like asking for UB aggro; it grinds against the color pair's natural grain. Besides, we don't know what all Boros is getting in GRN yet. I presume some manner of Helix spell will be appearing; we might even get strictly-better Energy Bolt, as in an X-cost instant that deals X damage and gains you X life. Or maybe even a XRRWW wrath that deals X damage to each creature and gains you that much life.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Nah, check again. It says "an opponent controls".
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Niv-Mizzet Reborn
Feather, the Redeemed
Estrid, the Masked
Teshar
Tymna/Ravos
Najeela, Blade-Blossom
Firesong & Sunspeaker
Zur the Enchanter
Lazav, the Multifarious
Ishai+Reyhan
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So immune to redirection effects causing you to destroy your own permanent, score!
if I were BG I'd run 3-4 of these in the deck.
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Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW