For the people who want Serra to be mono white, what colors would you want Urza to be if he was printed?
As a creature he was a mono blue Blind Seer, and he has more blue cards associated with him than other colors. How many green Urza cards can you name?
Doesn't matter how many cards of a color is associated with a particular planeswalker or not. It has no influence on their color identity. Both Urza Planeswalker and Taysir of Rabiah were masters of all five colors of mana. And Serra was Bant. Feroz was at least blue and red. Windgrace was Jund (and will be Jund in this product). Ajani is Naya, but mostly associated with white and green. Chandra is mostly red, but knows some green. Nissa is mostly green, but knows some black and blue. Very, very few planeswalkers are associated with only one color, most know at least some spells of another color, often several.
Back on topic, *if* we get Serra in this years commander product (and I have no reason to believe we won't as she is heavily associated with enchantments), then she *will* be Bant colored.
Windgrace is pretty much confirmed to be the planeswalker for the Jund deck, and I could totally see Feroz as the face card of the Izzet artifact deck, he was an artificer after all, and loved to mess around with elementals (which was his eventual undoing).
That leaves a spot in the Esper deck. Now, I do not know of that many Esper color aligned planeswalkers, even less so any that mess with reality, so I am at a loss to who that decks walker could be. Possibly someone new. After all, the last time we got planeswalker commanders, we got some old and some new.
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If we're going by Oldwalkers, Windgrace Jund, Serra Bant, Feroz Izzet then perhaps Crucius is Esper? Then again, he didn't make the list in the recent PW articles. But that's the only Esper one I can imagine.
Did I miss an announcement? We somehow went from “QQ no old characters” to “old ‘walkers are 100% definitely in this set.” Just wondering where the new info is coming from.
I thought the art for Windgrace wasn’t tied to any particular product, that it was just speculated to be part of the commander decks. As I recall, we also got a load of new art for several other walkers around the same timeframe. That new Elspeth, for example, could easily fit into 1 or 2 of the precons.
I thought the art for Windgrace wasn’t tied to any particular product, that it was just speculated to be part of the commander decks. As I recall, we also got a load of new art for several other walkers around the same timeframe. That new Elspeth, for example, could easily fit into 1 or 2 of the precons.
WOTC doesn't commission new art for no reason especially not for a character that has been gone for 10 Years or more with little current story relevance. There is no product for Windgrace to appear in since he didn't get a card on DOM that leaves Commander which doesn't have time constraints ie it can mix and match characters from any era much like the last time we had Walkers in Commander. Plus his art does fit JUND even if they character could be arguably MARDU. The art in question has him a forest with glowing green eyes, a fiery fist and bathed in Shadow seems pretty JUND. And MARDU is out cause we got MARDU Vampires last time sure Commander has no color constraints anymore but WOTC was never going to repeat the same colors back to back. We know Commander this year will have Walker Focus so yeah there is no nothing to confirm Windgrace but all the evidence points in that direction.
Not a thoroughly unreasonable assumption, but assumption nevertheless. Just thought maybe something concrete (and verifiable) came out of SDCC today. Oh well.
We know Windgrace is coming and the last time they did Walker Face Cards we got 4 Oldwalkers.
Pretty much, all but Daretti sparked before the mending. Teferi and Freyalise lost theirs during, Ob Nixilis lost his thousands of years ago due to Nahiri, who was in stasis when the Mending happened.
I thought the art for Windgrace wasn’t tied to any particular product, that it was just speculated to be part of the commander decks. As I recall, we also got a load of new art for several other walkers around the same timeframe. That new Elspeth, for example, could easily fit into 1 or 2 of the precons.
WOTC doesn't commission new art for no reason especially not for a character that has been gone for 10 Years or more with little current story relevance. There is no product for Windgrace to appear in since he didn't get a card on DOM that leaves Commander which doesn't have time constraints ie it can mix and match characters from any era much like the last time we had Walkers in Commander. Plus his art does fit JUND even if they character could be arguably MARDU. The art in question has him a forest with glowing green eyes, a fiery fist and bathed in Shadow seems pretty JUND. And MARDU is out cause we got MARDU Vampires last time sure Commander has no color constraints anymore but WOTC was never going to repeat the same colors back to back. We know Commander this year will have Walker Focus so yeah there is no nothing to confirm Windgrace but all the evidence points in that direction.
Nah, Windgrace has pretty much always been Jund. His magic was always focused around the volcanic nation of Urborg and the Jungles on the isle. Urborg itself is pretty much as red/black as it gets and his people are pretty green themselves (Panther Warriors). I am half expecting them to print the Urborg Volcano land in his deck, solely for the meme-factor, and lets face it, it will contain a number of uncommon duals regardless.
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I said arguably MARDU, I agree he was more JUND in my book.
The only people who think he was Mardu do not understand his character or where he comes from at all, they just see Aryel, Knight of Windgrace and instantly think Mardu, not realizing that the white part of her is because she is located in Benalia with the knights there.
Going back on topic before we derail completely. I could see the Zombie Girl being located on Urborg or Nakaya, if she is on Dominaria at all.
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Liliana’s people are white and she’s not white. Sorin’s people are Rakdos and he’s not Rakdos. Bolas’s and Ugin’s people are 5 colored and they’re not 5 colored. Sarkhan’s people are Mardu and he’s not Mardu.
Also, while cards aren’t always an indication of what color someone is, Divine Light is one of the few cards that depicts him. Of course, he could also be mono red or Wizards could really make any oldwalker 5 colored.
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Commander
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Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
She does seem at home in the Urborg artwork we got...could be Innistrad as well.
Her clothing looks to tribal to be Innistrad, my thoughts immediately went Africa or Creol. Innistrad clothing has a distinct Slavic/East European feel. Think 16th century Romania, Hungary and Austria. Now that I look at it again, the art has a distinct Creol feel, think Louisiana Bayou and the Everglades.
Liliana’s people are white and she’s not white. Sorin’s people are Rakdos and he’s not Rakdos. Bolas’s and Ugin’s people are 5 colored and they’re not 5 colored. Sarkhan’s people are Mardu and he’s not Mardu.
Also, while cards aren’t always an indication of what color someone is, Divine Light is one of the few cards that depicts him. Of course, he could also be mono red or Wizards could really make any oldwalker 5 colored.
Actually, Sorin's people are Mardu, as shown by his Uncle in C17. Also, there is nothing white about Windgraces depiction, ever.
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There are Dimir vampires on Ravnica, and I believe there is a Grixis vampire or two, but on innistrad the vampires are Rakdos.
I point you again towards Edgar Markov, the progenitor of Innistradi Vampires. We've only seen four of the vampire clans of Innistrad, there are thirteen in total.
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Sure, there is a chance of spending $4 on a booster and getting the Mythic Rare $30 super card. There is also a chance of surviving putting your tongue in a light socket.
There are Dimir vampires on Ravnica, and I believe there is a Grixis vampire or two, but on innistrad the vampires are Rakdos.
I point you again towards Edgar Markov, the progenitor of Innistradi Vampires. We've only seen four of the vampire clans of Innistrad, there are thirteen in total.
Okay, but my original point stands because Sorin isn’t Rakdos. Just because Windgrace’s people are green doesn’t make him green.
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Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
Yeah but Windgrace is known for a close connection to the land and closed the rift by growing to giant size and biting it that sounds pretty Green to me more so then White assuming we all agree on RB. We know he is not Blue.
Vampires are Blue when they are Wizards but the main point is RB is the Traditional Core of Vampires.
There are Dimir vampires on Ravnica, and I believe there is a Grixis vampire or two, but on innistrad the vampires are Rakdos.
I point you again towards Edgar Markov, the progenitor of Innistradi Vampires. We've only seen four of the vampire clans of Innistrad, there are thirteen in total.
Okay, but my original point stands because Sorin isn’t Rakdos. Just because Windgrace’s people are green doesn’t make him green.
Yeah but Windgrace is known for a close connection to the land and closed the rift by growing to giant size and biting it that sounds pretty Green to me more so then White assuming we all agree on RB. We know he is not Blue.
Vampires are Blue when they are Wizards but the main point is RB is the Traditional Core of Vampires.
Black is the traditional core of Vampires, they are one of blacks characteristic races after all. Some vampires, depending on culture mostly, are sometimes different colors. The four main vampire clans of Innistrad are all hedonistic, thus the red. The Ixalan Vampires are all members of a religious order and see vampirism as an obligation to endure without succumbing to bloodlust, thus white. If we visited a plane where the vampires are heavily tied to druidic and shamanistic traditions, they may pick up green. Again, I point you to Edgar Markov as an indication of what the other vampire families in Innistrad may have as color potential. Heck, the only reason the Dimir Moroii vampires are part blue is because they don't drink blood, they drink thoughts/souls/psychic energy. But we are drifting off topic and really should get back to it.
Back to the swamp girl art, the more I look at it, the more of a Creol vibe I get from it, particularly with the Death's Head Moths.
Doesn't matter how many cards of a color is associated with a particular planeswalker or not. It has no influence on their color identity. Both Urza Planeswalker and Taysir of Rabiah were masters of all five colors of mana. And Serra was Bant. Feroz was at least blue and red. Windgrace was Jund (and will be Jund in this product). Ajani is Naya, but mostly associated with white and green. Chandra is mostly red, but knows some green. Nissa is mostly green, but knows some black and blue. Very, very few planeswalkers are associated with only one color, most know at least some spells of another color, often several.
Back on topic, *if* we get Serra in this years commander product (and I have no reason to believe we won't as she is heavily associated with enchantments), then she *will* be Bant colored.
Windgrace is pretty much confirmed to be the planeswalker for the Jund deck, and I could totally see Feroz as the face card of the Izzet artifact deck, he was an artificer after all, and loved to mess around with elementals (which was his eventual undoing).
That leaves a spot in the Esper deck. Now, I do not know of that many Esper color aligned planeswalkers, even less so any that mess with reality, so I am at a loss to who that decks walker could be. Possibly someone new. After all, the last time we got planeswalker commanders, we got some old and some new.
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I'm surprised we never got a UW Jace thus far.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
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WOTC doesn't commission new art for no reason especially not for a character that has been gone for 10 Years or more with little current story relevance. There is no product for Windgrace to appear in since he didn't get a card on DOM that leaves Commander which doesn't have time constraints ie it can mix and match characters from any era much like the last time we had Walkers in Commander. Plus his art does fit JUND even if they character could be arguably MARDU. The art in question has him a forest with glowing green eyes, a fiery fist and bathed in Shadow seems pretty JUND. And MARDU is out cause we got MARDU Vampires last time sure Commander has no color constraints anymore but WOTC was never going to repeat the same colors back to back. We know Commander this year will have Walker Focus so yeah there is no nothing to confirm Windgrace but all the evidence points in that direction.
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Pretty much, all but Daretti sparked before the mending. Teferi and Freyalise lost theirs during, Ob Nixilis lost his thousands of years ago due to Nahiri, who was in stasis when the Mending happened.
Nah, Windgrace has pretty much always been Jund. His magic was always focused around the volcanic nation of Urborg and the Jungles on the isle. Urborg itself is pretty much as red/black as it gets and his people are pretty green themselves (Panther Warriors). I am half expecting them to print the Urborg Volcano land in his deck, solely for the meme-factor, and lets face it, it will contain a number of uncommon duals regardless.
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|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
WotC have been pretty good about that over the years, the one year that they didn't the backlash was immense.
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The only people who think he was Mardu do not understand his character or where he comes from at all, they just see Aryel, Knight of Windgrace and instantly think Mardu, not realizing that the white part of her is because she is located in Benalia with the knights there.
Going back on topic before we derail completely. I could see the Zombie Girl being located on Urborg or Nakaya, if she is on Dominaria at all.
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Also, while cards aren’t always an indication of what color someone is, Divine Light is one of the few cards that depicts him. Of course, he could also be mono red or Wizards could really make any oldwalker 5 colored.
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
Her clothing looks to tribal to be Innistrad, my thoughts immediately went Africa or Creol. Innistrad clothing has a distinct Slavic/East European feel. Think 16th century Romania, Hungary and Austria. Now that I look at it again, the art has a distinct Creol feel, think Louisiana Bayou and the Everglades.
Actually, Sorin's people are Mardu, as shown by his Uncle in C17. Also, there is nothing white about Windgraces depiction, ever.
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JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
I point you again towards Edgar Markov, the progenitor of Innistradi Vampires. We've only seen four of the vampire clans of Innistrad, there are thirteen in total.
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Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge is a grixis vampire from innistrad
Okay, but my original point stands because Sorin isn’t Rakdos. Just because Windgrace’s people are green doesn’t make him green.
JundBGR
RW Blood MoonRW
Pauper
Delver U
Elves G
Control B
Commander
Edgar Markov BRW
Captain Sisay GW
Niv-Mizzet, Parun UR
Tymna and Ravos WB
Vampires are Blue when they are Wizards but the main point is RB is the Traditional Core of Vampires.
No, but being literally tied to the land does.
Black is the traditional core of Vampires, they are one of blacks characteristic races after all. Some vampires, depending on culture mostly, are sometimes different colors. The four main vampire clans of Innistrad are all hedonistic, thus the red. The Ixalan Vampires are all members of a religious order and see vampirism as an obligation to endure without succumbing to bloodlust, thus white. If we visited a plane where the vampires are heavily tied to druidic and shamanistic traditions, they may pick up green. Again, I point you to Edgar Markov as an indication of what the other vampire families in Innistrad may have as color potential. Heck, the only reason the Dimir Moroii vampires are part blue is because they don't drink blood, they drink thoughts/souls/psychic energy. But we are drifting off topic and really should get back to it.
Back to the swamp girl art, the more I look at it, the more of a Creol vibe I get from it, particularly with the Death's Head Moths.
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