I defiantly like this better then the old version. Hopefully the other elders will be as fun
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I wouldn't even call anything helmed by Ziliran a dragon deck. He's like Scion of the Ur-Dragon in that he's a bunch of different commanders in one. Lathliss is geared towards a true dragon deck, though I personally cannot see myself running just red for any creature based deck due to its lack of creature protecting and recurring options.
Weird I guess that other art wasn't Vaevictis, but this looks close enough to his Legends card.
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My Palladia Mors prediction is looking better now
Tried to tell you the spiral horns they describe in the story went with that other art. Vaevictus always had a fin and not horns
Unfortunately for zirilan, lathliss comes in 3rd at the dragon token making Olympics behind utvara hellkite and arguably skyline despot.
Eh, apples and oranges. Latliss having lower CMC is not nothing, even in EDH. Even with the same (high) amount of mana available, Lathliss is also better than Utvara Hellkite on an empty board, and Skyline Despot requires you to go a whole turn cycle unmolested even if his tokens are free. Lathliss also gets you the burn and the beats out of Dragon Tempest, whereas Utvara just gets the burn.
Lathliss is incredible
6/6 Flying for six....and pumps all your dragons. Thats awesome
Oh wait I drop any creature and get another 5/5 flying dragon for free....good grief....a red chase rare...incredible
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Hey now, utavra hellkite is a stronger effect. It triggers every Dragon attack even the turn You cast it. It can also be cloned so its its own army in a can, is potentially useable immediately, and doesn't even demand you go all dragons because even one other Dragon plus it gets insane fast. This is a sweet 6/6 flier for 6 and is a nice Dragon tribal commander, but it's no utvara hellkite. That think costs 8 for a reason.
Utvara Hellkite is the second best dragon (The absolute best being Scourge of Valkas) in any dragon related deck period. Lathliss is still going to be up there though.
Well 25 years later and we finally get to see an Elder Dragon other than Bolas. Took long enough.
It seems about as playable in constructed as the original. I'm happy for EDH players but it seems they get about 95% of the goodies anymore. (Of course the format is named after these dragons I suppose.)
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New Vaevictus looks OK as a creature to cheat in off your opponent's Show and Tell in Legacy and eat up your opponent's big creature and maybe Sneak Attack later. Of course, Griselbrand draws 7 cards before he gets killed, but when doesn't he draw 7 cards before getting offed? Nic Fit can even Green Sun's Zenith for Vaevictus against non-Show and Tell decks and tell him to eat his opponent's best creatures and possibly get them swapped for worse ones.
OK, Vaevictus also eats your stuff and tries to get them swapped for better stuff. Here's hoping you can afford to lose your lands.
Sure, there is a chance of spending $4 on a booster and getting the Mythic Rare $30 super card. There is also a chance of surviving putting your tongue in a light socket.
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Vaevictis looks freaking awesome and very breakable. If all the Elders are this good, I'm stoked!
Lathliss is...Lathliss is great. She nearly doubles your Dragonstorm. The Ur-Dragon's new toys were worth the wait.
In spite of dragons being largely red, we have never had a good mono red dragon legend for EDH.
Seriously, all we have had so far is a vaishino, ryusei (who won't trigger if returning to the command zone), and The Bladewing family
Zirilan was the viashino he was talking about.
“I once had an entire race killed just to listen to the rattling of their dried bones as I waded through them.”
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What?
Zirilan is a Viashino, which is the lizard in front of the dragon in the art, not a Dragon.
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EDH Primers
Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
My Palladia Mors prediction is looking better now
Tried to tell you the spiral horns they describe in the story went with that other art. Vaevictus always had a fin and not horns
Eh, apples and oranges. Latliss having lower CMC is not nothing, even in EDH. Even with the same (high) amount of mana available, Lathliss is also better than Utvara Hellkite on an empty board, and Skyline Despot requires you to go a whole turn cycle unmolested even if his tokens are free. Lathliss also gets you the burn and the beats out of Dragon Tempest, whereas Utvara just gets the burn.
6/6 Flying for six....and pumps all your dragons. Thats awesome
Oh wait I drop any creature and get another 5/5 flying dragon for free....good grief....a red chase rare...incredible
No, they all were powerful enough to rival a planeswalker, but only Ugin and Bolas are actually Planeswalkers proper.
It seems about as playable in constructed as the original. I'm happy for EDH players but it seems they get about 95% of the goodies anymore. (Of course the format is named after these dragons I suppose.)
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OK, Vaevictus also eats your stuff and tries to get them swapped for better stuff. Here's hoping you can afford to lose your lands.
Modern: WUBRG Humans - GBW Traverse - GWU Knightfall - GRW
Pros:
6/6 flying for 6
Great removal attack trigger
Cons:
Awkward point in common ramp curves
No haste or etb to minimize risk of blowout
Awkward downside on the attack trigger
If it cost one mana less, had haste, or an etb I would love it but this just makes me sad.