That demon wasn't even entirely white Kekeke Nor do I see why it's yuck-worthy. Is treading outside of norm so difficult for you?
Outside the norm is one thing, going against common sense another. If you feel ok with the idea of a white (or even monowhite) demon, I guess you will feel ok with just everything, including a Ctulhu with the Tooth Fairy duo. Good for you.
In my vision, even in fantasy, concepts and beings should still have reference and coherence to archetypes related to traditions, tropes and common knowledge. I guess it's ok to bend or break something here and then sometimes, but I just can't think this case in particular isn't shallow and ridiculous how it sounds honestly.
Did you even read the rest of my post?
Common sense is often overrated. Do you know Elves were traditionally ugly creatures who were bent on mischiefs? Tokien was the first fantasy author who actually wrote them otherwise, thus "beautiful, righteous elves" became an archetype ever since, even THAT archetype has been broken countless time since. Sometimes tradition must be breached for new seeds to bloom, use common sense, but do not become its slave, especially not in the field of creativity. For crying out loud, this is a FANTASY game, not a copy-and-paste game.
Mind I ask you why must a fantastical setting obey traditional archetypes to the letter? MtG started out with many classic elements but as a game/lore it continues to evolve and have breakthroughs. Remember Simic guild being a "biomancy" guild, provide many things that old UG combination couldn't even imagine, yet people love it for its innovation. Had people sticked to D&D 1.0, MtG would've been a lot more stale and boring.
As for your issue with Ragna/Krav, I repeated many times already: As long as the designer could back it up with a good lore, they just might be able to prove their point, you are ignorant of their story and you are dismissing the pairing base on that ignorance, so I suggest we wait a bit and see how developers explain it.
On a completely unrelated note : as an Italian speaker, it feels kinda weird the name of Regna. In Italian means exactly "reigns"
Apparently, Krav means fight or battle in hebrew. So she is reigning in his want for battle by having them compete together where it is acceptable and expected (in the arena). As another note, Krav's title indicates he hasn't been redeemed yet, not that he doesn't want to be redeemed (perhaps he became a demon unintentionally/unwillingly like how Nahiri turned Ob Nixilis into one or how Arvad became a vampire and fought his new nature until the powerstone alleviated it).
As for their relationship, do keep in mind that this is a plane where partners compete to entertain the masses. As such, it wouldn't be all that surprising if their relationship was all an act to draw further interest and support from the crowd.
That being said, I have no issue if their relationship is genuine. At its most basic, it could just be another Romeo and Juliet. They are raised to hate each other (if not simply hate each other naturally), and fall into a forbidden love that may or may not be doomed to fail (the only way to know is to try) that they go for regardless. It could be more complicated (ex: Krav manipulating Regna, while Regna is trying to nurture some good she sees in Krav), but I'd hardly say it is patently ridiculous or impossible.
That demon wasn't even entirely white Kekeke Nor do I see why it's yuck-worthy. Is treading outside of norm so difficult for you?
Outside the norm is one thing, going against common sense another. If you feel ok with the idea of a white (or even monowhite) demon, I guess you will feel ok with just everything, including a Ctulhu with the Tooth Fairy duo. Good for you.
In my vision, even in fantasy, concepts and beings should still have reference and coherence to archetypes related to traditions, tropes and common knowledge. I guess it's ok to bend or break something here and then sometimes, but I just can't think this case in particular isn't shallow and ridiculous how it sounds honestly.
Did you even read the rest of my post?
Common sense is often overrated. Do you know Elves were traditionally ugly creatures who were bent on mischiefs? Tokien was the first fantasy author who actually wrote them otherwise, thus "beautiful, righteous elves" became an archetype ever since, even THAT archetype has been broken countless time since. Sometimes tradition must be breached for new seeds to bloom, use common sense, but do not become its slave, especially not in the field of creativity. For crying out loud, this is a FANTASY game, not a copy-and-paste game.
Mind I ask you why must a fantastical setting obey traditional archetypes to the letter? MtG started out with many classic elements but as a game/lore it continues to evolve and have breakthroughs. Remember Simic guild being a "biomancy" guild, provide many things that old UG combination couldn't even imagine, yet people love it for its innovation. Had people sticked to D&D 1.0, MtG would've been a lot more stale and boring.
As for your issue with Ragna/Krav, I repeated many times already: As long as the designer could back it up with a good lore, they just might be able to prove their point, you are ignorant of their story and you are dismissing the pairing base on that ignorance, so I suggest we wait a bit and see how developers explain it.
That isn’t really an accurate portrayal of the Alfar from what we have. Where are you getting that from?
The overall point is fine, but Tolkien didn’t invent something new with Elves, rather he just exposed something not necessarily very well known because most don’t know Mythology.
Edit: Though I’ll also add this isn’t anything new either. TV Tropes even has a section on Angels/Demons. Usually it’s more figurative but there are literal examples.
Fallen Angels are a thing in judeo-christian religion and romantic literature. It doesn't feel off because it has a long and established tradition.
On the other hand, white demons makes sense like a fire merfolk. It's just box-checking, gratuitious, confusing, counter-intuitive inversion, an end in itself.
Mardu Demons work perfectly fine though. Multicolor but with Black should not be an issue. You're really the only person I've seen have an issue with this.
And I could very well see a Blue/Red Merfolk in an underwater themed set that deals with underwater volcanoes. If these things are difficult to grasp it's an imagination issue.
And since when is sacrificing another creature to power up one a mono-White thing? Would you like to point to that in the Mechanical Color Pie? White also doesn't have Haste. Akroma is not meant to be an example of stuff White can do. You could make a case for it being Mono-Black easier than Mono-White. Although Black doesn't get Vigilance so even then that's not really working.
Taking a look? None of what you said is "Demons and Angels being lovers is an abomination flavor-wise". They could be upvoting you because they like AngelsxDemons, they could be upvoting you because they feel it's a worn out trope, any number of things.
It’s not irrelevant. You haven’t made a case on why any of what you’ve said matters beyond your personal feelings. Angels and Demons are a common thing, your griping about TVTropes just shows an inability to counter it beyond that. And you have failed to make a case on how the Demon is mono-White.
In short? Use better rhetoric. What you’ve given is just bad Pathos making a poor mockery of Logos.
I mean, there is a strong case to be had that the LE Devils in DnD are part White, but you really haven’t made a case on why it doesn’t fit. It’s not Mono-White, which you’d have more of a case on. Evil White characters are perfrctly fitting.
Angels and demons are pretty much just a Christian thing. If we expand the concept to be more broadly two mythological groups who are on opposing sides though? Plenty of examples.
I mean, there is a strong case to be had that the LE Devils in DnD are part White, but you really haven’t made a case on why it doesn’t fit. It’s not Mono-White, which you’d have more of a case on. Evil White characters are perfrctly fitting.
Evil white characters are a thing (Inquisitors for example), white demons no. Also you are still quoting irrelevant sources. In this modern-age era, literally everybody can make a fantasy game and create their own rules. I am talking about what is already established in human history and got a deep archetypical meaning, beyond the form of the myth.
Angels and demons are pretty much just a Christian thing.
You are ignorant. Those are also hebrew and islamic figures. And those religions are branched in dozens of religious denomination much different from each other. And not only they have millennials of history, but they are followed by billions of people too. So it's not "only" a christian thing. One could argue that even Zoroahstrism or Induism got some kind of an equivalent of angels and demons with Devas and Asuras. Semidivine beings representing good forces and evil forces are actually a very, very common trope in human religions.
The way in which Magic goes about things isn’t really in line with Judaism or Islam as far as angels/demons. It’s a lot more complicated than you’re making it out to be.
And that’s why I said “if you count two opposing sides there are examples”. Greek, Irish, Welsh, and Norse off the top of my head have children born from two sides at war.
And why can’t White Demons be a thing? You’re claiming deep archetypal stuff, but the evil aspects of White are totally in line with Demons.
Fallen Angels are a thing in judeo-christian religion and romantic literature. It doesn't feel off because it has a long and established tradition.
On the other hand, white demons makes sense like a fire merfolk. It's just box-checking, gratuitious, confusing, counter-intuitive inversion, an end in itself.
What is "box-checking"? You have used this term several times and you haven't explained what you mean by it.
I feel like you have some major assumptions about these creatures - which we have just a few names and a short flavor text about. I want to call out two of them. One, you repeatedly say that the demon "doesn't want to be redeemed". We don't know that to be true. "Unredeemed" does not mean "doesn't want to be redeemed". Two, you repeatedly mention "choosing" to be a demon. This is a fairly specific view of what demons are and how they come to be, and is actually fairly rare in fantasy representations; demons usually just get created as demons and have no say in the matter.
"Trying to redeem a demon" is a fairly common story trope and I'm not sure why you think it has no traditional backing. Do you want a list of books with that plotline?
TV are no authority for millennial archetypical figures, deal with it.
TV Tropes is a website that documents tropes in storytelling, with examples of use for every trope. It's not just TV, and in fact frequently includes classical literature (even the Bible) in its lists of examples of a given trope.
The linked article has more than 50 examples listed even when you ignore the section marked as "fanon". The canon section includes such things as The Picture of Dorian Grey, which was published in 1890. Hell, even the fanon section mentions speculation about the possibility that there was a relationship between Joan of Arc (a Roman Catholic saint) and Gilles de Rais (confessed to being a pedophile serial killer); even if the two didn't have romance, they did have a close personal relationship, and fought side by side in the Hundred Years War.
I’m really not failing to explain this, but if you think Black covers the same thing as White I guess there isn’t really much I can do.
I’ve explained that a Blue Red Merfolk (the equivalent to the Mardu Demon) is easy enough to do with underwater volcanoes. If we get an underwater plane I expect heat vents to be the Red there.
And given you dropped it I take it you aren’t going to argue the pair anymore? Because as I said, I can cite Mythology that backs up “two opposing sides in love (or at least a kid)”. Christianity with the absolute angle is rare, and Magic is explicitly trying not to just be representing how Christianity does things, that’s part of why the female angels are a thing.
Demons shouldn't represent mercy, grace, pity, forgiveness, light, kindness, and all other typical white stuff. that's why demons shouldn't be white, because that would completely make pointless what demons for definition are.
These are not white concepts, and even if they were, not every white card represents every aspect of white. So, IF a mono-white demon ever did get printed, it would likely be playing on the highly legalistic side of white's slice of the color pie, and maybe even cultivating a community that it might be in charge of.
Vigilance. Right there. The Mardu Demon (not Mono-White) can’t be Black because of that. It also can’t be Black with the Haste effect. From a pure mechanical standpoint the Mardu Demon fits.
From a flavor standpoint? Unless you can cite what the Demon is like personality wise you can’t say it doesn’t fit unless you claim that White and Black are the same. If you do nothing further to add, if you don’t then you need to tell me why that demon can’t be White. There are evil traits not covered by Black.
I cited four different religions that had two sides at war who would have love. You opened it up to more than angels and demons when you cited other examples, which means Njord and Skadi, Freyr and Gerd are valid examples.
The rest is irrelevant. How Christianity in particular approaches things is not how Magic does. And we’ve already had non-Black yet evil Angels too. We’ve had White/Blue, White/Red, and White/Green villains in fact, as well as mono-White. White can be evil, and it’s brand of evil isn’t the same as Black. To try and erase the differences between the two is to try and invalidate the color pie.
I’m really not failing to explain this, but if you think Black covers the same thing as White I guess there isn’t really much I can do.
Dude, I mean : do the Demon should represent tyranny and oppression, which is a degenerate aspect of white? Monoblack cover already that (Demonic TaskMaster). Resurrection? Black already got resurrection. Gaining Life? Black alone got lifelink and drain spells.
The only thing demons don't and shouldn't have are the prerogatives of what are angels in white. Demons shouldn't represent mercy, grace, pity, forgiveness, light, kindness, and all other typical white stuff. that's why demons shouldn't be white, because that would completely make pointless what demons for definition are.
I’ve explained that a Blue Red Merfolk (the equivalent to the Mardu Demon) is easy enough to do with underwater volcanoes.
I was saying that mono white demons feels off as mono red merfolks.
And given you dropped it I take it you aren’t going to argue the pair anymore?
I already said that the pair have no fundaments or parallels in myths and religions and that's why sounds off to me, what should I say more?
Because as I said, I can cite Mythology that backs up “two opposing sides in love (or at least a kid)”.
You didn't quote nothing actually. What that even suppose to mean. No myth or religions that I know talks about demons and angels fall in love with each other, and that's precisely why angels and demons have the archetypical meaning of dichotomic conflicts between good and evil forces.
Magic is explicitly trying not to just be representing how Christianity does things, that’s part of why the female angels are a thing.
Even if in christianity there are no female angels (which is kinda meaningless since angels have no sex anyway), female angels still incarnate the symbols of grace, purity, kindness, protection, all the archetypical meanings which are also in christian religion, and that's what you are failing to still realize apparently. and that's what I'm talking about when I'm referring to archetypical meanings. The virgin Mary is also somewhat close archetypically, of what angels are in Magic for concepts and functions.
Jesus Christ dude.
Your opinions aren't law. If you're not fond of these two then that's fine but honestly your thoughts on this aren't facts.
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A Mono-White Demon would, presumably, represent White traits, while still being a Demon. Probably depends on how they want to approach that really. If Angels can fall Demons can rise. Or simply be Mono-White evil.
I cited two examples, and I can cite more. And those are metaphysical entities I cited, not humans. They represent Gods and the closest equivalent to Norse Demons really, though they aren’t the same. If you limit Angels and demons to only Abrahamic stuff then of course you’re not going to find examples, but Asura and Deva’s are sufficiently different enough that my example works.
And things not lining up 1:1 has been a thing for ages. Are you only just now seeing that Wizards is a company that takes inspiration from other cultures instead of copying them exactly? Are you going to complain that Hazoret is female next?
That would be because you’re acting like this is somehow wrong, and it isn’t.
I’ll also add that while I think they could do a White Demon I don’t expect it. From a personality trait perspective there are absolutely justifications for it though. White is not “good”. Conflating the two is not accurate to the Color Pie.
A Mono-White Demon would, presumably, represent White traits, while still being a Demon.
In 99% of magic planes, demons are defined as beings created as manifestation of black mana. Unless we go to a weird, weird plane, a demon can't be white because he's phisically made by black mana.
And in those same planes (though I'd be wary of throwing around 99% when we don't even have 100 planes to choose from, and more than one exception/unknown quantity), Angels are manifestations of white mana. Yet we still have Fallen Angel and the like, so it's obviously possible for that to change, and it would be extremely weird if it wasn't also theoretically possible for a demon to take on white mana.
I do agree that it's unlikely they'd have a mono-white demon, but that's more for the same reason they don't have a ton of mono-black angels anymore: They want to keep the iconic creatures in their iconic colors for the most part, with Dragons being the ones that get the most freedom in that area. I do think a black/white demon is almost an inevitability at some point.
A Mono-White Demon would, presumably, represent White traits, while still being a Demon.
In 99% of magic planes, demons are defined as beings created as manifestation of black mana. Unless we go to a weird, weird plane, a demon can't be white because he's phisically made by black mana.
And in those same planes (though I'd be wary of throwing around 99% when we don't even have 100 planes to choose from, and more than one exception/unknown quantity), Angels are manifestations of white mana. Yet we still have Fallen Angel and the like, so it's obviously possible for that to change, and it would be extremely weird if it wasn't also theoretically possible for a demon to take on white mana.
I do agree that it's unlikely they'd have a mono-white demon, but that's more for the same reason they don't have a ton of mono-black angels anymore: They want to keep the iconic creatures in their iconic colors for the most part, with Dragons being the ones that get the most freedom in that area. I do think a black/white demon is almost an inevitability at some point.
Basically my take on it. If it happens there will be justification for it, but I’m not saying it will. But Demon does not have to be “evil, Monoblack”. There is flexibility. We’ve seen Red Angels too after all. Why there are White Demons is less important to me than that it’s posdible.
Fallen Angels are a thing in judeo-christian religion and romantic literature.
In judeo-christian religion, fallen angels are demons. So why is it okay to have black angels? Seems like it shatters the "must conform to judeo-christian religion" rule.
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So a demon that just recently redeemed itself could therefore be white. I don't see why this is such an issue.
THe problem is, that demons can't be redemeed. For the very definition of what demons means. If they are redeemed they are not demons, they wuold be something else. Angels on the other hand can go from good to evil. In abramihitic religions is the only way demons come froms. That's why the black fallen angel doesn't sounds off, it actually follow an established tradition.
There's no tradition of or ancient literature featuring pirates fighting dinosaurs and yet somehow that made it into Magic.
And many would think is a ridiculous idea, in fact. Dude, I think you are ovestimating WotC too much. They can do errors and embarassing things too you know?
Even if it were the case that a demon couldn't be redeemed, who cares about Abrahamic religion? I thought that was a straw man?
Also, in Magic, demons don't become demons because they turn away from God. Magic has different rules than real world religions.
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In Magic (the thing we're talking about and the only rules that matter) a demon could turn white just like an angel could turn black. There are white vampires. There are white zombies. Color bending is common and can be explained flavorfully. Whether an individual player feels embarrassed by a red merfolk or a white demon is beside the point.
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Did you even read the rest of my post?
Common sense is often overrated. Do you know Elves were traditionally ugly creatures who were bent on mischiefs? Tokien was the first fantasy author who actually wrote them otherwise, thus "beautiful, righteous elves" became an archetype ever since, even THAT archetype has been broken countless time since. Sometimes tradition must be breached for new seeds to bloom, use common sense, but do not become its slave, especially not in the field of creativity. For crying out loud, this is a FANTASY game, not a copy-and-paste game.
Mind I ask you why must a fantastical setting obey traditional archetypes to the letter? MtG started out with many classic elements but as a game/lore it continues to evolve and have breakthroughs. Remember Simic guild being a "biomancy" guild, provide many things that old UG combination couldn't even imagine, yet people love it for its innovation. Had people sticked to D&D 1.0, MtG would've been a lot more stale and boring.
As for your issue with Ragna/Krav, I repeated many times already: As long as the designer could back it up with a good lore, they just might be able to prove their point, you are ignorant of their story and you are dismissing the pairing base on that ignorance, so I suggest we wait a bit and see how developers explain it.
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Apparently, Krav means fight or battle in hebrew. So she is reigning in his want for battle by having them compete together where it is acceptable and expected (in the arena). As another note, Krav's title indicates he hasn't been redeemed yet, not that he doesn't want to be redeemed (perhaps he became a demon unintentionally/unwillingly like how Nahiri turned Ob Nixilis into one or how Arvad became a vampire and fought his new nature until the powerstone alleviated it).
As for their relationship, do keep in mind that this is a plane where partners compete to entertain the masses. As such, it wouldn't be all that surprising if their relationship was all an act to draw further interest and support from the crowd.
That being said, I have no issue if their relationship is genuine. At its most basic, it could just be another Romeo and Juliet. They are raised to hate each other (if not simply hate each other naturally), and fall into a forbidden love that may or may not be doomed to fail (the only way to know is to try) that they go for regardless. It could be more complicated (ex: Krav manipulating Regna, while Regna is trying to nurture some good she sees in Krav), but I'd hardly say it is patently ridiculous or impossible.
That isn’t really an accurate portrayal of the Alfar from what we have. Where are you getting that from?
The overall point is fine, but Tolkien didn’t invent something new with Elves, rather he just exposed something not necessarily very well known because most don’t know Mythology.
Edit: Though I’ll also add this isn’t anything new either. TV Tropes even has a section on Angels/Demons. Usually it’s more figurative but there are literal examples.
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Mardu Demons work perfectly fine though. Multicolor but with Black should not be an issue. You're really the only person I've seen have an issue with this.
And I could very well see a Blue/Red Merfolk in an underwater themed set that deals with underwater volcanoes. If these things are difficult to grasp it's an imagination issue.
And since when is sacrificing another creature to power up one a mono-White thing? Would you like to point to that in the Mechanical Color Pie? White also doesn't have Haste. Akroma is not meant to be an example of stuff White can do. You could make a case for it being Mono-Black easier than Mono-White. Although Black doesn't get Vigilance so even then that's not really working.
Taking a look? None of what you said is "Demons and Angels being lovers is an abomination flavor-wise". They could be upvoting you because they like AngelsxDemons, they could be upvoting you because they feel it's a worn out trope, any number of things.
In short? Use better rhetoric. What you’ve given is just bad Pathos making a poor mockery of Logos.
Angels and demons are pretty much just a Christian thing. If we expand the concept to be more broadly two mythological groups who are on opposing sides though? Plenty of examples.
The way in which Magic goes about things isn’t really in line with Judaism or Islam as far as angels/demons. It’s a lot more complicated than you’re making it out to be.
And that’s why I said “if you count two opposing sides there are examples”. Greek, Irish, Welsh, and Norse off the top of my head have children born from two sides at war.
And why can’t White Demons be a thing? You’re claiming deep archetypal stuff, but the evil aspects of White are totally in line with Demons.
I feel like you have some major assumptions about these creatures - which we have just a few names and a short flavor text about. I want to call out two of them. One, you repeatedly say that the demon "doesn't want to be redeemed". We don't know that to be true. "Unredeemed" does not mean "doesn't want to be redeemed". Two, you repeatedly mention "choosing" to be a demon. This is a fairly specific view of what demons are and how they come to be, and is actually fairly rare in fantasy representations; demons usually just get created as demons and have no say in the matter.
"Trying to redeem a demon" is a fairly common story trope and I'm not sure why you think it has no traditional backing. Do you want a list of books with that plotline?
The linked article has more than 50 examples listed even when you ignore the section marked as "fanon". The canon section includes such things as The Picture of Dorian Grey, which was published in 1890. Hell, even the fanon section mentions speculation about the possibility that there was a relationship between Joan of Arc (a Roman Catholic saint) and Gilles de Rais (confessed to being a pedophile serial killer); even if the two didn't have romance, they did have a close personal relationship, and fought side by side in the Hundred Years War.
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I’ve explained that a Blue Red Merfolk (the equivalent to the Mardu Demon) is easy enough to do with underwater volcanoes. If we get an underwater plane I expect heat vents to be the Red there.
And given you dropped it I take it you aren’t going to argue the pair anymore? Because as I said, I can cite Mythology that backs up “two opposing sides in love (or at least a kid)”. Christianity with the absolute angle is rare, and Magic is explicitly trying not to just be representing how Christianity does things, that’s part of why the female angels are a thing.
These are not white concepts, and even if they were, not every white card represents every aspect of white. So, IF a mono-white demon ever did get printed, it would likely be playing on the highly legalistic side of white's slice of the color pie, and maybe even cultivating a community that it might be in charge of.
From a flavor standpoint? Unless you can cite what the Demon is like personality wise you can’t say it doesn’t fit unless you claim that White and Black are the same. If you do nothing further to add, if you don’t then you need to tell me why that demon can’t be White. There are evil traits not covered by Black.
I cited four different religions that had two sides at war who would have love. You opened it up to more than angels and demons when you cited other examples, which means Njord and Skadi, Freyr and Gerd are valid examples.
The rest is irrelevant. How Christianity in particular approaches things is not how Magic does. And we’ve already had non-Black yet evil Angels too. We’ve had White/Blue, White/Red, and White/Green villains in fact, as well as mono-White. White can be evil, and it’s brand of evil isn’t the same as Black. To try and erase the differences between the two is to try and invalidate the color pie.
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I cited two examples, and I can cite more. And those are metaphysical entities I cited, not humans. They represent Gods and the closest equivalent to Norse Demons really, though they aren’t the same. If you limit Angels and demons to only Abrahamic stuff then of course you’re not going to find examples, but Asura and Deva’s are sufficiently different enough that my example works.
And things not lining up 1:1 has been a thing for ages. Are you only just now seeing that Wizards is a company that takes inspiration from other cultures instead of copying them exactly? Are you going to complain that Hazoret is female next?
I’ll also add that while I think they could do a White Demon I don’t expect it. From a personality trait perspective there are absolutely justifications for it though. White is not “good”. Conflating the two is not accurate to the Color Pie.
I do agree that it's unlikely they'd have a mono-white demon, but that's more for the same reason they don't have a ton of mono-black angels anymore: They want to keep the iconic creatures in their iconic colors for the most part, with Dragons being the ones that get the most freedom in that area. I do think a black/white demon is almost an inevitability at some point.
Basically my take on it. If it happens there will be justification for it, but I’m not saying it will. But Demon does not have to be “evil, Monoblack”. There is flexibility. We’ve seen Red Angels too after all. Why there are White Demons is less important to me than that it’s posdible.
In judeo-christian religion, fallen angels are demons. So why is it okay to have black angels? Seems like it shatters the "must conform to judeo-christian religion" rule.
There's no tradition of or ancient literature featuring pirates fighting dinosaurs and yet somehow that made it into Magic.
Even if it were the case that a demon couldn't be redeemed, who cares about Abrahamic religion? I thought that was a straw man?
Also, in Magic, demons don't become demons because they turn away from God. Magic has different rules than real world religions.