I mean, clearly you're taking this way more personal than I am.
You realize that you are the one who initially replied to my post, right? A post that wasn’t directed to any one individual? Like, that is the epitome of “taking it personally”. If it didn’t bother you, you wouldn’t have had a reason to reply telling me how I’m wrong, or how you’re right.(Only to go on to state that we don’t know who will be right or wrong, lulz.)
I replied to you only because I think you're inaccurately judging this set based solely on your feelings towards it (and yes, that is my opinion, otherwise I wouldn't be expressing it, because it’s the right one)
My Tragic Poet reprint has arrived at long last! It's bittersweet to see it though - I always felt this card was a solid fit for Theros, where it almost made it, but lost out to the numbers. I was hoping that's where we would see it again (hopefully this doesn't rule it out there as well) but it is naturally appropriate we see Tragic Poet here as well. While I admire the new art and flavor text, which are wonderful indeed - the original Quinton Hoover art, and its original flavor text will always be my favorite. I'd have loved to see the original card simply reprinted in the new frame as it was. That said, the new Tragic Poet is a really great compromise and believe it or not, I am the most excited to have this card.
I love the artwork for Dub as well.
I was so excited for Diligent Excavator, only to discover she's a stupid mill card. Just stop doing that. Make her recover something from grave or something. They're wasting all these cool archaeology tropes on mill, and it really irritates me.
Relic Runner looks straight out of Innistrad lol
Vodalian Arcanist - that art. I think the card itself has potential. Not quite a Sea Scryer, but good enough.
The basic lands are all gorgeous. Wow. I love when they add some detail to Basics, like structures, some ruins, how there's Tolaria in one of them, etc.
I missed Champion of the Flame before--that card is going to be a strong beatdown card in Standard. Drop it on turn 2, hope for no Fatal Push, then there are 6 red auras at cmc <= 2 which will make it at least a 4/4 with either haste, menace, or first strike; alternatively, you could One With the Wind for a 5/5 flyer. Put Curator's Ward on it and you have the skeleton of blue/red auras.
You realize that you are the one who initially replied to my post, right? A post that wasn’t directed to any one individual? Like, that is the epitome of “taking it personally”. If it didn’t bother you, you wouldn’t have had a reason to reply telling me how I’m wrong, or how you’re right.
I really didn't want to get involved with this little spat, but I feel that some impartial third party needs to point out that you both sound like you're taking this equally personally.
FYI, saying "I'm not taking this personally" or equivalent is the most sure-fire way to sound like you are, in fact, taking it personally.
The set lacks a means to remove counters from Sagas. I had expected there to be some way to prolong the Sagas and draw more value out of them. As it stands, I believe that only Quarry Hauler can provide that service in standard.
You realize that you are the one who initially replied to my post, right? A post that wasn’t directed to any one individual? Like, that is the epitome of “taking it personally”. If it didn’t bother you, you wouldn’t have had a reason to reply telling me how I’m wrong, or how you’re right.
I really didn't want to get involved with this little spat, but I feel that some impartial third party needs to point out that you both sound like you're taking this equally personally.
FYI, saying "I'm not taking this personally" or equivalent is the most sure-fire way to sound like you are, in fact, taking it personally.
Wouldn’t that apply to every reply/quote between users then? By that definition, you are taking this personally. You should stop.
SMDH...
Anywho, I, personally, am glad to get some more archer support for my Jacques le vert Naya build in the remaining spoilers. I also look forward to getting back into Standard after a long hiatus.
But, that’s just like my personal opinion, man.
Edited edit: was it just me, or did it seem like it took longer for the spoilers to show up on the main page after their reveals than in spoiler seasons past?
I'm not saying the set is full of strong cards, but simply stating 7% without context doesn't seem right. Most cards in a set are draft chaff. @hat is the percentage of other sets?
Sure. Let's do it for Return to Ravnica, one of the most celebrated standard sets of the modern era, that had a good power level for their cards. Notice that I will not include the shocklands in my list, and I will mention cards that have spots in ACTUAL eternal format decks, ranging from fringe to tier, so there is no speculation here. The list:
You must be mixing cards with hype from day one with cards that saw play after BFZ ( or Theros in case of lantern... ) give dominaria time and i m sure that if we are honest we will have a list as big as this...
Let's do it for Return to Ravnica, one of the most celebrated standard sets of the modern era,
You're describing this set as one of the best then basing your expectations on it? That's inherently unreasonable.
But really, this is simply about your opinion of cards unless you have stats to back it up. If you don't like 5% play, provide a list with 3% play. Or 1% play. Or whatever your threshold of interest is.
For example, you have Sphere of Safety on your list. According to mtggoldfish, it's being played in one Legacy deck with less than half a percent of deckshare (0.36%), and no modern decks. That's not "Eternal playable" by any empirical definition I would accept. You do provide a definition... but it's not empirical.
'a card that could see play in a particular deck or archetype, becoming an integral part of such deck/archetype'.
There are no qualifiers on "deck" or "archetype". So if I decide to build a deck around Mindless Null and bring it to a Modern event is that a Modern-playable card? No, of course not. So you have somewhere in your mind a concept of which decks and archetypes "count". And you have a concept of what their "integral" parts are. But those live only in your mind unless you can relate them to some concrete concepts - play share, tournament representation, tournament win percentage, and so forth.
And maybe you're even correct in an objective sense - maybe your intuition of those categories really does have some empirical backing and you can accurately predict whether Dominaria cards will be used in winning decks. But you haven't provided evidence backing that in this thread so far - what you've provided is specifically not evidence for it.
It's fine to say that you don't like the set. It's fine to have a subjective opinion of the power level of a set. I'm just pointing out that that's what it is.
I will move past this discussion. My opinions are stated.
One or two more things that I will add regarding Dominaria is that I'm excited to see if goblins becomes a real deck in modern now (besides 8-whack, which is cool, but not really the same). The problem here is the lack of Goblin Ringleader and Matron. Maybe that can be overcome, not sure.
Also, I'm curious to see who is going to play the new Karn and for what end. I saw just recently a new take on a monoblue deck with an artifact theme, and this new planeswalker feels like it could be a nice fit, but maybe I'm wrong. Let's see.
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You realize that you are the one who initially replied to my post, right? A post that wasn’t directed to any one individual? Like, that is the epitome of “taking it personally”. If it didn’t bother you, you wouldn’t have had a reason to reply telling me how I’m wrong, or how you’re right.
I really didn't want to get involved with this little spat, but I feel that some impartial third party needs to point out that you both sound like you're taking this equally personally.
FYI, saying "I'm not taking this personally" or equivalent is the most sure-fire way to sound like you are, in fact, taking it personally.
Wouldn’t that apply to every reply/quote between users then? By that definition, you are taking this personally. You should stop.
SMDH...
I... What? I was talking about you guys. Mostly Ashiok, because he's the one who brought up the whole "taking it personally" thing in the first place, for some reason. I never said anything about how personally I was taking it. I really don't get your logic here.
It's also worth noting that sounding like you're taking it personally is not the same as actually taking it personally. Frankly, I doubt either of you are taking it very personally at all. I only pointed it out because the more you go out of your way to convince Ashiok that you're not taking things personally, the more he'll be convinced that you actually are taking it personally, and vice-versa. I don't think anyone in this thread wants this to devolve into pages of "you're mad!" "no, you're mad!"
now as for your peoples reactions on the ending day
im glad to see a lot of people are actually doing it right for once and not saying "i hate this set" type of talk remembering the first cards spoiled and its about the fun
but bad news i still see a couple still dreading the set
Bad criticism is good when well argumented and good standards.
Overall, pretty neat. I'm a little disappointed that I really can't see a Saproling/Thallid deck emerging from what's in the set.
Hahaha, is that sarcasm? Or are you speaking specifically to a particular format? I think the prevalence of the theme at common and uncommon with actually useful cards could make it a potential G/b draft archetype. If nothing else, Slimefoot and their thallid buds will inspire EDH decks without question, with the DOM offerings for the theme giving those decks a lot of framework to build off of.
What makes you think the Saproling theme won't make a splash?
WHITE:
Board the Weatherlight
Charge
Daring Archaeologist
Dub
Healing Grace
History of Benalia
Lyra Dawnbringer
One Serra's Wings
Serra Angel
Shalai, Voice of Plenty
Tragic Poet
BLUE:
Merfolk Trickster
The Mirari Conjecture
Naban, Dean of Iteraiton
Sage of Lat-Nam
Slinn Voda, the Rising Deep
Tetsuko Umezawa, Fugitive
Time of Ice
Unwind
Vodalian Arcanist
Zahid, Djinn of the Lamp
This set just look fun all in all. I defiantly want to make a historic deck and just make it good legendary good stuff for fun ^.^
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Yeah his ult is 'you win the game' unless they are stomping you and have a mass of tokens or something.
Hes good.
Actually, no, his ultimate doesn't win you the game at all. You win the game by getting your opponent's life total down to 0 or making him draw all his cards. Teferi does none of those things, and that's why he's not a good control planeswalker. A control planeswalker needs to win you the game in order to be good. Just look up every control planeswalker that was ever succesful and every control planeswalker that was not and this will become very clear.
Teferi will be a failure just like Dovin Baan and Narset, unfortunately, because I have been longing for a good blue/white planeswalker for a long time.
It can put you in a solid position to win, however. It's pedantic to say it doesn't win, when many of the walkers don't in fact win, but put you in a winning position that's easy to close a game out of. If you get the emblem, Opt becomes Swords+, and any higher card draw becomes Anguished Unmaking/Stone Rain+. I think if you get the emblem, you can quite easily close out a game. The problem with Dovin Baan is more tied to the fact that it takes 5 turns of Mazing a creature to get there. If he started at 4 loyalty, he'd be better, and at 5 starting loyalty a strong card. Development was probably playing it a little too safe, but you also can't expect to put an uninteractive/permanent Static Orb into play easily. Stasis Decks were already incredibly oppressive in the day, and at that was with Orb being an interactive permanent.
I concur. Chandra's ultimate doesn't win you the game, in and of itself. Casting spells after the ultimate does, though, so logically we can reduce that to "the ultimate won the game".
No Viashino? I am severely disappointed. I know Maro mentioned they were a mistake, but man. To completely ignore them.
I know. I'm still on the opposite of MaRo when it comes to whether or not creature types have "equity". MTG doesn't need to be derivative of everything else around it to be successful and it, imo, has better substance when it is original.
Let the lizard people be Viashino.
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You realize that you are the one who initially replied to my post, right? A post that wasn’t directed to any one individual? Like, that is the epitome of “taking it personally”. If it didn’t bother you, you wouldn’t have had a reason to reply telling me how I’m wrong, or how you’re right.(Only to go on to state that we don’t know who will be right or wrong, lulz.)
I love the artwork for Dub as well.
I was so excited for Diligent Excavator, only to discover she's a stupid mill card. Just stop doing that. Make her recover something from grave or something. They're wasting all these cool archaeology tropes on mill, and it really irritates me.
Relic Runner looks straight out of Innistrad lol
Vodalian Arcanist - that art. I think the card itself has potential. Not quite a Sea Scryer, but good enough.
The basic lands are all gorgeous. Wow. I love when they add some detail to Basics, like structures, some ruins, how there's Tolaria in one of them, etc.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
FYI, saying "I'm not taking this personally" or equivalent is the most sure-fire way to sound like you are, in fact, taking it personally.
There is Sentinel of the Pearl Trident.
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Wouldn’t that apply to every reply/quote between users then? By that definition, you are taking this personally. You should stop.
SMDH...
Anywho, I, personally, am glad to get some more archer support for my Jacques le vert Naya build in the remaining spoilers. I also look forward to getting back into Standard after a long hiatus.
But, that’s just like my personal opinion, man.
Edited edit: was it just me, or did it seem like it took longer for the spoilers to show up on the main page after their reveals than in spoiler seasons past?
You must be mixing cards with hype from day one with cards that saw play after BFZ ( or Theros in case of lantern... ) give dominaria time and i m sure that if we are honest we will have a list as big as this...
But really, this is simply about your opinion of cards unless you have stats to back it up. If you don't like 5% play, provide a list with 3% play. Or 1% play. Or whatever your threshold of interest is.
For example, you have Sphere of Safety on your list. According to mtggoldfish, it's being played in one Legacy deck with less than half a percent of deckshare (0.36%), and no modern decks. That's not "Eternal playable" by any empirical definition I would accept. You do provide a definition... but it's not empirical.
There are no qualifiers on "deck" or "archetype". So if I decide to build a deck around Mindless Null and bring it to a Modern event is that a Modern-playable card? No, of course not. So you have somewhere in your mind a concept of which decks and archetypes "count". And you have a concept of what their "integral" parts are. But those live only in your mind unless you can relate them to some concrete concepts - play share, tournament representation, tournament win percentage, and so forth.
And maybe you're even correct in an objective sense - maybe your intuition of those categories really does have some empirical backing and you can accurately predict whether Dominaria cards will be used in winning decks. But you haven't provided evidence backing that in this thread so far - what you've provided is specifically not evidence for it.
It's fine to say that you don't like the set. It's fine to have a subjective opinion of the power level of a set. I'm just pointing out that that's what it is.
I will move past this discussion. My opinions are stated.
One or two more things that I will add regarding Dominaria is that I'm excited to see if goblins becomes a real deck in modern now (besides 8-whack, which is cool, but not really the same). The problem here is the lack of Goblin Ringleader and Matron. Maybe that can be overcome, not sure.
Also, I'm curious to see who is going to play the new Karn and for what end. I saw just recently a new take on a monoblue deck with an artifact theme, and this new planeswalker feels like it could be a nice fit, but maybe I'm wrong. Let's see.
Read my other stories as well (some ongoing):
Reaper King (a horror story), Kaalia of the Vast (an origin story), Sequels for Innistrad (Alternative sequels for Inn), Grey Areas (Odric's fanfic), Royal Succession (goblins),The Tracker's Message (eldrazi on Innistrad) and Ugin and his Eye (the end of OGW).
It's also worth noting that sounding like you're taking it personally is not the same as actually taking it personally. Frankly, I doubt either of you are taking it very personally at all. I only pointed it out because the more you go out of your way to convince Ashiok that you're not taking things personally, the more he'll be convinced that you actually are taking it personally, and vice-versa. I don't think anyone in this thread wants this to devolve into pages of "you're mad!" "no, you're mad!"
Bad criticism is good when well argumented and good standards.
Hahaha, is that sarcasm? Or are you speaking specifically to a particular format? I think the prevalence of the theme at common and uncommon with actually useful cards could make it a potential G/b draft archetype. If nothing else, Slimefoot and their thallid buds will inspire EDH decks without question, with the DOM offerings for the theme giving those decks a lot of framework to build off of.
What makes you think the Saproling theme won't make a splash?
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Collision (Set Two of the Fracture Block)
Quest for the Forsaken (Set Two of the Excellion Block)
Katingal: Plane of Chains
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Spirits
come on guys. dont be lame
WHITE:
Board the Weatherlight
Charge
Daring Archaeologist
Dub
Healing Grace
History of Benalia
Lyra Dawnbringer
One Serra's Wings
Serra Angel
Shalai, Voice of Plenty
Tragic Poet
BLUE:
Merfolk Trickster
The Mirari Conjecture
Naban, Dean of Iteraiton
Sage of Lat-Nam
Slinn Voda, the Rising Deep
Tetsuko Umezawa, Fugitive
Time of Ice
Unwind
Vodalian Arcanist
Zahid, Djinn of the Lamp
GREEN:
Adenveterous Impulse
Song of Freylaise
MULTICOLOR:
Arvad the Cursed
Jodah, Archmage Eternal
Raff Capashen, Ship’s Mage
Tatyova, Benthic Druid
Tiana, Ship’s Caretaker
COLORLESS:
Blackblade Reforged
Gilded Lotus
Mox Amber
Thran Temporal Gateway
LAND:
ALL THE BASICS!
I will reference this checklist in the pre-release to ensure I get these for my decks.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
Yes.
It can put you in a solid position to win, however. It's pedantic to say it doesn't win, when many of the walkers don't in fact win, but put you in a winning position that's easy to close a game out of. If you get the emblem, Opt becomes Swords+, and any higher card draw becomes Anguished Unmaking/Stone Rain+. I think if you get the emblem, you can quite easily close out a game. The problem with Dovin Baan is more tied to the fact that it takes 5 turns of Mazing a creature to get there. If he started at 4 loyalty, he'd be better, and at 5 starting loyalty a strong card. Development was probably playing it a little too safe, but you also can't expect to put an uninteractive/permanent Static Orb into play easily. Stasis Decks were already incredibly oppressive in the day, and at that was with Orb being an interactive permanent.
Let the lizard people be Viashino.
-Chandra Nalaar