Lavalanche: Lavalanche deals X damage to target player or planeswalker and each creature that player or that planeswalker’s controller controls.
Searing Blaze: Searing Blaze deals 1 damage to target player or planeswalker and 1 damage to target creature that player or that planeswalker’s controller controls.
Blightning: Blightning deals 3 damage to target player or planeswalker. That player or that planeswalker’s controller discards two cards.
So you can make a hexproof opponent discard with Blightning and stuff like Lavalanche and Flame Wave can hit a walker and commit their collateral damage.
I'd like to see more cards in that Ezuri frame. I think it's interesting and probably a better option moving forward for printing premium foils. I think the "legendary boarder" might look better on more cards than the current FTV-style stuff. I know the spellbook frames look pretty cool and might make the FTV foiling tolerable IMO. Is Elves/Inventors the last DD?
I'm wondering if that is the new legendary frame or if it's just for creatures or even just for supplemental products. It's also only on Pia & Kiran and Dwynen.
Seems to be the frame for everything legendary. Other new images from today show it, too, look at Urza's Ruinous Blast
And yes, this is supposed to be the last duel deck. As stated here.
Well we've only seen it on creatures as of this article. As I've said the spellbook stuff has an inverted blue look, but the walker frame has some similarity to the one show on the legends in these decks.
As we roll out more details and sneak-peaks of Dominaria, you'll see that the set focuses heavily on the many legendary characters of the world—heroes past and present—and gameplay was designed to highlight them in cool new ways. Heck, the tagline is "Gather Legends"! With how relevant they were to playing the format, we wanted a clear visual indicator to make it clear at a glance which cards were legendary and which weren't. We landed on a crown-like embellishment around the title bar of the card; it extends into the card's black border in a really striking and regal way. We were so happy with it that we've decided to use it outside of the block on all legendary cards (other than planeswalkers—they look different enough already) going forward.
Seems to be the frame for everything legendary. Other new images from today show it, too, look at Urza's Ruinous Blast
And yes, this is supposed to be the last duel deck. As stated here.
Well we've only seen it on creatures as of this article. As I've said the spellbook stuff has an inverted blue look, but the walker frame has some similarity to the one show on the legends in these decks.
It is the new legendary frame they said it will be used from now on.
As we roll out more details and sneak-peaks of Dominaria, you'll see that the set focuses heavily on the many legendary characters of the world—heroes past and present—and gameplay was designed to highlight them in cool new ways. Heck, the tagline is "Gather Legends"! With how relevant they were to playing the format, we wanted a clear visual indicator to make it clear at a glance which cards were legendary and which weren't. We landed on a crown-like embellishment around the title bar of the card; it extends into the card's black border in a really striking and regal way. We were so happy with it that we've decided to use it outside of the block on all legendary cards (other than planeswalkers—they look different enough already) going forward.
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Wow. No Elvish Spirit Guide (nor any other card staking claim to the art that's expected to be Elvish Spirit Guide). Battlebond, I guess? I can't imagine them introducing ESG to Standard/Modern.
As a "cards with art done by Raymond Swanland" collector (sorta glad he didn't have anything new in A25, definitely needed a skip since he did Mana Drain for IMA after all...), I'm pretty sure the art for Elvish Archdruid is new, or at the very least new on paper (since I collect the cardboard and don't play online).
Honestly, I'm indifferent to the new Legendary frame, it's like simultaneously mildly cool but oddly-annoying at the same time, but also mild enough both directions that I don't care either way.
Am sad the rules text still doesn't tell me if or how cards like Flamewave, Lavalanche, Bonfire of the Damned, Searing Blaze... they give an exception on when damage is calculated from a player condition, but not on when other spell effects are derived by relationship to the 'target'. Will these not be able to hit planeswalkers? Be able to hit planeswalkers but not do damage to any creatures? Or be able to hit planeswalkers and pass their other effects on to creatures controlled by that planeswalker's controller?
Same concern about Blightning. I really hoped this rules article would actually address the rules ocncerns we've been wondering about for a while. And MaRo has ignored my above questions submitted to Blogatog.
Am sad the rules text still doesn't tell me if or how cards like Flamewave, Lavalanche, Bonfire of the Damned, Searing Blaze... they give an exception on when damage is calculated from a player condition, but not on when other spell effects are derived by relationship to the 'target'. Will these not be able to hit planeswalkers? Be able to hit planeswalkers but not do damage to any creatures? Or be able to hit planeswalkers and pass their other effects on to creatures controlled by that planeswalker's controller?
Same concern about Blightning. I really hoped this rules article would actually address the rules ocncerns we've been wondering about for a while. And MaRo has ignored my above questions submitted to Blogatog.
I share your concern, and hope they address it soon. This rule change will probably lead to a ridiculous amount of clunky errata. That MTG app better be kept up to date so I can look up stuff like this.
EDIT: I also wanted to say that I really, really like the new frame for legendaries. Dominaria in general looks freakin' awesome, and if it lives up to the hype, I hope subsequent sets can repair the damage done in the last two years.
"Will cards like Blightning be able to damage Walkers?"
If so I will just tweet them.
I just tweeted Eli, so no need to be redundant unless you've got priority attention.
I think even for Blightning there's three possibilities (a simple yes/no question+answer still might not completely clear things up): can't target Walkers at all; can target and damage Walkers but the second clause does nothing; or can target and damage Walkers and the second clause is reworded to cause that walker's controller to discard.
Am sad the rules text still doesn't tell me if or how cards like Flamewave, Lavalanche, Bonfire of the Damned, Searing Blaze... they give an exception on when damage is calculated from a player condition, but not on when other spell effects are derived by relationship to the 'target'. Will these not be able to hit planeswalkers? Be able to hit planeswalkers but not do damage to any creatures? Or be able to hit planeswalkers and pass their other effects on to creatures controlled by that planeswalker's controller?
Same concern about Blightning. I really hoped this rules article would actually address the rules ocncerns we've been wondering about for a while. And MaRo has ignored my above questions submitted to Blogatog.
I would assume, based on what I just read, that all of those cards, save Flamewave Invoker(Will get Planeswalker added) will receive no errata at all, and continue to work as written.
I don't see what, in what was posted today, makes your assumption an assumable answer. I think that's the likeliest outcome. I just don't thik their text posted today indicates that at all. The sole exception today's text has indicated to a blanket "target player or target opponent now adds target planeswalker", has been effects that compute the damage dealt to the target based on values that only make sense if derived from a player-as-target. This is likely to be a similar exclusion, but it is as-yet unstated.
Lavalanche: Lavalanche deals X damage to target player or planeswalker and each creature that player or that planeswalker’s controller controls.
Searing Blaze: Searing Blaze deals 1 damage to target player or planeswalker and 1 damage to target creature that player or that planeswalker’s controller controls.
Blightning: Blightning deals 3 damage to target player or planeswalker. That player or that planeswalker’s controller discards two cards.
So you can make a hexproof opponent discard with Blightning and stuff like Lavalanche and Flame Wave can hit a walker and commit their collateral damage.
Lavalanche: Lavalanche deals X damage to target player or planeswalker and each creature that player or that planeswalker’s controller controls.
Searing Blaze: Searing Blaze deals 1 damage to target player or planeswalker and 1 damage to target creature that player or that planeswalker’s controller controls.
Blightning: Blightning deals 3 damage to target player or planeswalker. That player or that planeswalker’s controller discards two cards.
So you can make a hexproof opponent discard with Blightning and stuff like Lavalanche and Flame Wave can hit a walker and commit their collateral damage.
I stand corrected. Re-reading the paragraph, I can see why these would be the outcomes, but hot damn, they're clunky.
In its desire to always be correct and consistent, Magic's rules templating has always opted for the Chicago Manual of Style's method of referring to a person of unknown gender: "he or she." Or "him or her" or "his or her."
There are a lot of reasons not to like those phrases. For me, the problems are that they take up a lot of words and that no one actually talks that way. People use the singular "they" all the time conversationally, and as language changes, the rules of proper usage have relaxed enough that we're comfortable switching to it now. Hooray!
What's not hooray-worthy, unfortunately, is that there aren't any cards in Duel Decks: Elves vs. Inventors that use the new template. But as an example, check out the current and future text for Duress.
Current:
Target opponent reveals his or her hand. You choose a noncreature, nonland card from it. That player discards that card.
Dominaria Oracle update:
Target opponent reveals their hand. You choose a noncreature, nonland card from it. That player discards that card.
And if this change, in addition to saving words, makes our card text more inclusive for people that don't identify as either a "he" or a "she," that's super awesome as well.
*rolls eyes*
It's obvious the intent wasn't that and people just had to latch onto it and push it as an agenda-filled move when it was always obvious they did it solely because it makes cards less wordy than they needed to be. So of course Wizards now has to pat themselves on the back over including wording that makes helicopters feel involved.
I share your concern, and hope they address it soon. This rule change will probably lead to a ridiculous amount of clunky errata. That MTG app better be kept up to date so I can look up stuff like this.
You don't need an app, necessarily. You can just look it up on the Gatherer.
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Dominaria Frame, Template, and Rules Changes .:. Duel Decks: Elves vs. Inventors
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
Decks are OK, I think.
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(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
And yes, this is supposed to be the last duel deck. As stated here.
Let this great clan rest in peace (2001-2011)
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
It is the new legendary frame they said it will be used from now on.
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Honestly, I'm indifferent to the new Legendary frame, it's like simultaneously mildly cool but oddly-annoying at the same time, but also mild enough both directions that I don't care either way.
Same concern about Blightning. I really hoped this rules article would actually address the rules ocncerns we've been wondering about for a while. And MaRo has ignored my above questions submitted to Blogatog.
"Will cards like Blightning be able to damage Walkers?"
If so I will just tweet them.
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I share your concern, and hope they address it soon. This rule change will probably lead to a ridiculous amount of clunky errata. That MTG app better be kept up to date so I can look up stuff like this.
EDIT: I also wanted to say that I really, really like the new frame for legendaries. Dominaria in general looks freakin' awesome, and if it lives up to the hype, I hope subsequent sets can repair the damage done in the last two years.
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I just tweeted Eli, so no need to be redundant unless you've got priority attention.
I think even for Blightning there's three possibilities (a simple yes/no question+answer still might not completely clear things up): can't target Walkers at all; can target and damage Walkers but the second clause does nothing; or can target and damage Walkers and the second clause is reworded to cause that walker's controller to discard.
I would assume, based on what I just read, that all of those cards, save Flamewave Invoker(Will get Planeswalker added) will receive no errata at all, and continue to work as written.
I don't see what, in what was posted today, makes your assumption an assumable answer. I think that's the likeliest outcome. I just don't thik their text posted today indicates that at all. The sole exception today's text has indicated to a blanket "target player or target opponent now adds target planeswalker", has been effects that compute the damage dealt to the target based on values that only make sense if derived from a player-as-target. This is likely to be a similar exclusion, but it is as-yet unstated.
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Lavalanche: Lavalanche deals X damage to target player or planeswalker and each creature that player or that planeswalker’s controller controls.
Searing Blaze: Searing Blaze deals 1 damage to target player or planeswalker and 1 damage to target creature that player or that planeswalker’s controller controls.
Blightning: Blightning deals 3 damage to target player or planeswalker. That player or that planeswalker’s controller discards two cards.
So you can make a hexproof opponent discard with Blightning and stuff like Lavalanche and Flame Wave can hit a walker and commit their collateral damage.
I stand corrected. Re-reading the paragraph, I can see why these would be the outcomes, but hot damn, they're clunky.
*rolls eyes*
It's obvious the intent wasn't that and people just had to latch onto it and push it as an agenda-filled move when it was always obvious they did it solely because it makes cards less wordy than they needed to be. So of course Wizards now has to pat themselves on the back over including wording that makes helicopters feel involved.
Warned for trolling.
UBBreya's Toybox (Competitive, Combo)WR
RGodzilla, King of the MonstersG
-Retired Decks-
UBLazav, Dimir Mastermind (Competitive, UB Voltron/Control)UB
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You don't need an app, necessarily. You can just look it up on the Gatherer.