Am I alone in wanting the Counterspell and Brainstorm then just because they look good? Thats cool I guess, I hope they are 25 cents.
Nope, I'm with you there.
The Counterspell is actually the art from the original Jace vs. Chandra Duel Deck, so it's available already (just not in foil). But the Brainstorm is new (and beats the pants off the A25 art).
It's an interesting raffle at $20... foil copies of Beleren, Gifts, Brainstorm or Tutor, along with maybe the Counterspell and Threads, would all get your money back in theory. Negate, not so much.
Negate is fine as its the kind of card they will keep reprinting every set to have it around in standard FOREVER.
So if you like an art in particular, get 4 and just keep them.
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The value is fine for 20 bucks, its a promo product and kinda like a booster pack with contents you know.
To get a play-set you can to some point justify spending 4x on this set, so you have 4 shots at foils, that might or might not give you some of your money back.
The fact it has random foils will simply make the product overall cheaper, as more product is opened by resellers, so getting the non-foil versions that each pack contains will be much easier to get.
Foil versions of cards might go way up.
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For my taste they could have made more cards and made the contents even more random.
Kinda like a set of like "jace" themed cards, not just 8 cards, but like 40. Maybe even just an full art Island with a jace on it like in Ixalan, stuff like that. Like a set full of jace cards.
Instead of just the 1 jace planeswalker it could very well include ALL of them in promo versions that we have so far.
So the product would indeed be "booster" packs of jace stuff.
Simply put, the set isnt "bad" and it has its value, but they could have gone way harder on it to provide something more.
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Anyway, this kind of product is fine as long as it contains something that people really want and its good to put reprints of cards in (which they didnt really do here, except for Gifts Ungiven, so thats a let down).
Am I alone in wanting the Counterspell and Brainstorm then just because they look good? Thats cool I guess, I hope they are 25 cents.
Heck no I think that is the best art for Counterspell out there.
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3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I'm offically calling this "Jace-washing". Take a bunch of iconic blue cards and slap Jace on the art. I wish WotC would give up on the whole guild pact stuff.
This isn't really a new concept. If you look at a bunch of the older cards they were filled with the Weatherlight, Urza, Barrin, etc on the cards.
You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
yawn. hard pass. over priced and i'm not sure who the market is outside of jace fanboys.
Overpriced? WHAT?
It's $20. Two cards alone make up that MSRP.
What would you have charged?
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which two cards might that be? because you can get jaces, gifts, and mystical tutors for under $7 a piece. the combined value comes pretty close to breaking even, sure. you've also probably got more than a handful of most of whats included outside of jace, tutor, and gifts though. so really the only reason to bother is the uniqueness of the card art/frame. hence my comment about it being over priced and aimed and jace fanboys.
oh lordy! how dare i find a product boring and not worth my time! I MUST LOVE AND PURCHASE ALL MAGIC PRODUCTS FOREVER!
I'd probably pick this up if I can get it for MSRP - I already play four of the eight cards in my Talrand, Sky Summoner deck, and I'm sure the rest will be easily traded away.
yawn. hard pass. over priced and i'm not sure who the market is outside of jace fanboys.
Overpriced? WHAT?
It's $20. Two cards alone make up that MSRP.
What would you have charged?
This is the kind of post that makes people hate this site.
which two cards might that be? because you can get jaces, gifts, and mystical tutors for under $7 a piece. the combined value comes pretty close to breaking even, sure. you've also probably got more than a handful of most of whats included outside of jace, tutor, and gifts though. so really the only reason to bother is the uniqueness of the card art/frame. hence my comment about it being over priced and aimed and jace fanboys.
oh lordy! how dare i find a product boring and not worth my time! I MUST LOVE AND PURCHASE ALL MAGIC PRODUCTS FOREVER!
Hard pass for me too. Can’t stand blue boy, and none of the cards are needed. Not dropping $20 for weird packaging and cards I don’t need.
The reason people are calling it over priced is because the cards that are of high value don't see heavy play, which is actually the primary issue most casual players run into: If a card gets used in modern it gets expensive due to it being modern playable and in high demand. Those are the cards that actually need reprints. It's sort of like Earthbind from Alpha: Is it expensive for what it is? Yes, but it's more of a collectors piece because of the artwork. Now they are making new versions of cards that are kind of similar with brand new art. Some of the art is good, others I think can be agreed upon as being pretty underwhelming.
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3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Honestly, the only thing I don't like is the random foil. These are wpn only products that are a limited quantity, yet they want to run a lottery on foils? Maybe the run is higher than typical from the vaults printings? Some people don't want foils and getting a random foil can be kind of painful, especially if it's the FTV foiling.
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2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I play most of those cards, so I'd much rather pick up one of these than two A25 or five Standard-legal packs. I love the idea of fixed inclusions (at an agreeable price) with a bonus bit of randomness.
The value seems to be there at the $20 mark. I guess I'm ok with it because these are all cards I'm using at the moment or see using in the future.
The gifts ungiven is almost half the value of the msrp. Depending on your foil, you're in the black, Jack,
At least on release yes. After these are out prices will drop and I'm doubting they will maintain the 20 dollar mark after that. I could be wrong. These should have been a little stronger and had a hair more value in them.
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Assuming this stays worthwhile to buy (i.e the good singles are a little more than the sealed product) and I can get one close to twenty, I might pick one up. There are a few cool cards for here for EDH use (Counterspell, Brainstorm, Mystical Tutor) and others could be good collectibles or trade fodder. Solid product but, like From the Vault, my enthusiasm will be much less if they are consistently significantly above MSRP. I suppose my biggest gripe is that I would have preferred Hydroblast to Blue Blast for pauper reasons (and some of the art is weird).
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The value seems to be there at the $20 mark. I guess I'm ok with it because these are all cards I'm using at the moment or see using in the future.
The gifts ungiven is almost half the value of the msrp. Depending on your foil, you're in the black, Jack,
At least on release yes. After these are out prices will drop and I'm doubting they will maintain the 20 dollar mark after that. I could be wrong. These should have been a little stronger and had a hair more value in them.
I see your point. I'll still more than likely grab o e or two. Maybe I'll get lucky and hit a foil of a popular Commander card
Assuming this stays worthwhile to buy (i.e the good singles are a little more than the sealed product) and I can get one close to twenty, I might pick one up. There are a few cool cards for here for EDH use (Counterspell, Brainstorm, Mystical Tutor) and others could be good collectibles or trade fodder. Solid product but, like From the Vault, my enthusiasm will be much less if they are consistently significantly above MSRP. I suppose my biggest gripe is that I would have preferred Hydroblast to Blue Blast for pauper reasons (and some of the art is weird).
Well, lets be real here: no one would buy this for Jace Baleren. They'd be after Gifts Ungiven, Counterspell, Hydroblast, and probably Brainstorm. If they really wanted to make a spellbook about Jace it probably should have been more about milling the opponent. That and they could have made it 30 msrp and put in more cards like Archive Trap, Jace's Sanctum, Jace's Phantasm, Phantasmal Image, etc. My own guess is that the price will probably be at MSRP for a while unless people are super into foil lotteries. That and it would have been great if the box had a new Jace of some sort not bound by the limits of standard that matched the theme they did go with. Imagine a Jace that costs 3 and has a Threads of Disloyalty on a stick ability along with a built in Loot ability. That would have been something to really get people going after this.
I guess I'm just saying if they are going to make a product like this, why reprint an old version of a walker that no one wants when they have the ability to make something new and unbound? It's basically just one single card. Fans make single cards all the time.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
This thread just proves the Jace hate is still alive and well. Im not a huge fan (ixalan helped alot though), but the Product itself is fine. Not very expensive, decent cards, new framing and arts (god forbid a Jace THEMED product has Jace arts) and a toss to the gamblers. It is what it is. No one is forcing you to buy it.....some people need to calm down (It should have had Mind Sculptor and Cryptic??? Give me a break..this isnt magic christmas land
When the other ones come out are people gonna say "why is Chandra(Lily)(Ajani)(Bolas)(Tezz)(whatever) in all the arts?'
Good grief the negativity.
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I love these! My darling collects all cards that either depict or reference Jace, so we're definitely getting these. The art is, I think, super cool, and I'm really looking forward to it.
(I collect all the Liliana cards, so I am looking forward to when they do her signature spellbook!)
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Nope, I'm with you there.
The Counterspell is actually the art from the original Jace vs. Chandra Duel Deck, so it's available already (just not in foil). But the Brainstorm is new (and beats the pants off the A25 art).
It's an interesting raffle at $20... foil copies of Beleren, Gifts, Brainstorm or Tutor, along with maybe the Counterspell and Threads, would all get your money back in theory. Negate, not so much.
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So if you like an art in particular, get 4 and just keep them.
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The value is fine for 20 bucks, its a promo product and kinda like a booster pack with contents you know.
To get a play-set you can to some point justify spending 4x on this set, so you have 4 shots at foils, that might or might not give you some of your money back.
The fact it has random foils will simply make the product overall cheaper, as more product is opened by resellers, so getting the non-foil versions that each pack contains will be much easier to get.
Foil versions of cards might go way up.
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For my taste they could have made more cards and made the contents even more random.
Kinda like a set of like "jace" themed cards, not just 8 cards, but like 40. Maybe even just an full art Island with a jace on it like in Ixalan, stuff like that. Like a set full of jace cards.
Instead of just the 1 jace planeswalker it could very well include ALL of them in promo versions that we have so far.
So the product would indeed be "booster" packs of jace stuff.
Simply put, the set isnt "bad" and it has its value, but they could have gone way harder on it to provide something more.
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Anyway, this kind of product is fine as long as it contains something that people really want and its good to put reprints of cards in (which they didnt really do here, except for Gifts Ungiven, so thats a let down).
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Heck no I think that is the best art for Counterspell out there.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
This isn't really a new concept. If you look at a bunch of the older cards they were filled with the Weatherlight, Urza, Barrin, etc on the cards.
Overpriced? WHAT?
It's $20. Two cards alone make up that MSRP.
What would you have charged?
This is the kind of post that makes people hate this site.
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Art is life itself.
...They should have had Jace in that pose. "Gift me like one of your French girls!"
which two cards might that be? because you can get jaces, gifts, and mystical tutors for under $7 a piece. the combined value comes pretty close to breaking even, sure. you've also probably got more than a handful of most of whats included outside of jace, tutor, and gifts though. so really the only reason to bother is the uniqueness of the card art/frame. hence my comment about it being over priced and aimed and jace fanboys.
oh lordy! how dare i find a product boring and not worth my time! I MUST LOVE AND PURCHASE ALL MAGIC PRODUCTS FOREVER!
Hard pass for me too. Can’t stand blue boy, and none of the cards are needed. Not dropping $20 for weird packaging and cards I don’t need.
EDH is a CASUAL format. Get with the program, or GTFO.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
The gifts ungiven is almost half the value of the msrp. Depending on your foil, you're in the black, Jack,
At least on release yes. After these are out prices will drop and I'm doubting they will maintain the 20 dollar mark after that. I could be wrong. These should have been a little stronger and had a hair more value in them.
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WRKalemne's Angels
BRUG Yidris's Wild Party
UWBR Breya's Terrifying Tinker Toys
UBR The Pretender
I see your point. I'll still more than likely grab o e or two. Maybe I'll get lucky and hit a foil of a popular Commander card
Well, lets be real here: no one would buy this for Jace Baleren. They'd be after Gifts Ungiven, Counterspell, Hydroblast, and probably Brainstorm. If they really wanted to make a spellbook about Jace it probably should have been more about milling the opponent. That and they could have made it 30 msrp and put in more cards like Archive Trap, Jace's Sanctum, Jace's Phantasm, Phantasmal Image, etc. My own guess is that the price will probably be at MSRP for a while unless people are super into foil lotteries. That and it would have been great if the box had a new Jace of some sort not bound by the limits of standard that matched the theme they did go with. Imagine a Jace that costs 3 and has a Threads of Disloyalty on a stick ability along with a built in Loot ability. That would have been something to really get people going after this.
I guess I'm just saying if they are going to make a product like this, why reprint an old version of a walker that no one wants when they have the ability to make something new and unbound? It's basically just one single card. Fans make single cards all the time.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Now they must include Realms Uncharted in Nissa's signature spellbook with her instead of that fatass elf, and preferably showing some skin.
Would buy 4 for the playset, then proceed to go 0-5 in a tourney trying to make the card work in Modern.
When the other ones come out are people gonna say "why is Chandra(Lily)(Ajani)(Bolas)(Tezz)(whatever) in all the arts?'
Good grief the negativity.
Fugly cards, awful product, and yeah, ever seeing Jace again is always too soon.
(I collect all the Liliana cards, so I am looking forward to when they do her signature spellbook!)