I remember tossing Captain Sisay out of my gods and planeswalkers deck because it didn't work with walkers the way I thought. Apparently, stupid past me was right. Huzzah!
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Why, just WHY is Jace doing something physically difficult like hanging from an air ladder (or whatever it's called), looking like he seriously took to the gym and now shows off? His.. his image! That's Gideon stuff! Where did the supernerd mentality go?
I find it funny that Jace has a fairly realistic (albeit not stereotypically nerdy) body and everyone's complaining, but none of these people ever complained about Steve Argyle's various assaults on anatomy, shading, and not making cards that look like something a cat vomited on the carpet. Okay, that last one wasn't fanservicey at all (unless you have a cat vomit fetish) but my point remains.
As for me, I always wondered why planeswalkers weren't legendary. It's mostly flavor fluff, but Gideon and Sarkhan really want to join Captain Sisay's crew, wear the Champion's Helm, and have their Day of Destiny.
@theMarc: What if the boardwipe is Aether Snap, which destroys all tokens and all planeswalkers (and a bunch of other things like spikes and creatures with graft.
Jace haters are like Libtard SJWs though, devoid of logic and full of hypocritical hate. I wouldn't bother applying reason to their lack of judgment.
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Jace art is amazing quality, shows progress in the game appealing to women and gay men as they've gradually begun doing (long overdue) and it was about time we got a Jace card - let alone one dealing with illusions to boot.
Jace haters are like Libtard SJWs though, devoid of logic and full of hypocritical hate. I wouldn't bother applying reason to their lack of judgment.
Jace art is amazing quality, shows progress in the game appealing to women and gay men as they've gradually begun doing (long overdue) and it was about time we got a Jace card - let alone one dealing with illusions to boot.
Wow. This guy attacks "Libtard SJWs" for disliking Jace (which, for the record, I like a lot as a character), when the post he was replying to had absolutely nothing to do with typical Jace complaints, and I get flame warnings for bringing up inclusiveness? What an amazing community...
Anyway, I'm excited about these changes, and while Jace's new card isn't particularly exciting on its own, I really wanna build a modern deck including him, Samut, and Doubling Season
I wonder if Gideon tribal will be a real deck now too...
I gotta say I'm slightly baffled about the change, but eh, if that works for the game, so be it.
As for Jace himself.... I have to say I'm a bit confused.... He feels too utility, and aside from his interaction with Doubling Seasons (which I am super sure won't be reprinted in the near future anyway) he doesn't quite have board impact all things considered. Yes, that 2/2 creature can sometimes help, but with his low starting loyalty how much will it help?
Having said that, though, he's in the same standard format as Embalm, Eternalize and Aftermath, so I might have bee too salty about him. He probably could be a strong utility card, regardless.
EDIT: Darn... reread the card and saw that his looting only works once per combat regardless of alpha strike.... makes him suckier by the moment.
After giving it more thought, the Mirror Gallery price spike makes even less sense—
AFAIK, the only card capable of cloning a Planeswalker is Clever Impersonator.
So even if cloning PW's were considerably more rewarding than it actually is,
it would probably still be more effort than it's worth.
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After giving it more thought, the Mirror Gallery price spike makes even less sense—
AFAIK, the only card capable of cloning a Planeswalker is Clever Impersonator.
So even if cloning PW's were considerably more rewarding than it actually is,
it would probably still be more effort than it's worth.
Non-Commander casual decks with multiples of specific PW cards? ...but really, people weren't already doing this with creatures, making Gallery a 20+$ card.....
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I know he thinks I'm impressed by a 102 MPH fastball in the 9th inning... Ok, I'm impressed, but that doesn't mean I can't crush it.
Start off with a couple of blockers, summon Jace, tick up the loyalty counters, cast Anointed Procession, then at 5 loyalty cash him in--now you have four of them--two of them use +1 for extra looting (maybe) while the other two use -2 to create four 2/2 illusion tokens. Alternatively, in UR with The Locust God if you can get an evasive creature--an insect, for example--to connect then you get to loot 1 and net yourself another insect. There is definitely potential to examine.
Yeah, if Mirror Gallery didn't do anything before, it still isn't going to do anything now.
Mirror Gallery suffers from the same problem that a lot of bad cards do: it does absolutely nothing unless you have another card to combo it with. Gallery goes one step beyond, though, by not doing anything unless you have at least two other cards to combo it with. And even then, it opens you up to getting blown out with artifact removal. There's not much planeswalkers can do with Gallery that they couldn't already do with The Chain Veil.
Mirror Gallery's price spike won't last. It's just people wildly speculating.
This is a bad Jace and it's very disappointing that blue can't get a viable three mana planeswalker (Jace VP is a conditional planeswalker).
The plus ability is a conditional loot ability. That's really terrible. You draw and then discard a card after spending three mana, but only if you already have a board presence and can manage to deal combat damage. Really pause and think about how bad that is.
The second ability creates a Phantasmal Bear token. So the minus ability is worth a spell that normally costs U. An incredibly fragile creature with no evasion that barely protects Jace. Saheeli Rai, Nissa, Voice of Zendikar and Liliana, the Last Hope are recent planeswalkers with a CMC of 3 that have better minus abilities. Gideon of the Trials 0 abilities are also better.
The ultimate is unique and interesting and seems cool until you realize how bad the other two abilities are. Looting abilities are especially bad in multiples.
Also none of the abilities have synergy with each other.
This is so annoying. The next time we get a Jace, it will probably have a converted mana cost of 5 or 6.
Also, Why don't we get other mono blue planeswalkers? There are 10 mono blue planeswalkers. 7 of them are Jace. One of them is awesome and was printed in Commander and was never legal in Standard or Modern (Teferi, Temporal Archmage). One forces you to play a lot of artifacts and was printed 8 years ago (Tezzeret the Seeker). Then there is Tamiyo, the Moon Sage which is easily one of the best designed and most popular mono blue planeswalkers every printed.
Also, Why don't we get other mono blue planeswalkers? There are 10 mono blue planeswalkers. 7 of them are Jace. One of them is awesome and was printed in Commander and was never legal in Standard or Modern (Teferi, Temporal Archmage). One forces you to play a lot of artifacts and was printed 8 years ago (Tezzeret the Seeker). Then there is Tamiyo, the Moon Sage which is easily one of the best designed and most popular mono blue planeswalkers every printed.
Also, of those three non-Jace 'walkers, two have adopted additional colors, and the other lost his spark. So until WotC comes up with a new character, we're not likely to see any mono-blue 'walkers that aren't Jace. Mono-green has a similar problem; there's only Garruk, Nissa and Freyalise, and Garruk's still cursed (i.e. green/black), Nissa's splashing blue nowadays, and Freyalise is dead.
This is a bad Jace and it's very disappointing that blue can't get a viable three mana planeswalker (Jace VP is a conditional planeswalker).
While I pretty much agree with you, keep in mind that it IS hard to evaluate without testing. People here, including me, thought that Jace, Vryn's Prodigy was week. We all know how that turned out.
This Jace is a very aggro Jace. He wants to be in an attacking build. The ideal t2 play before him is clearly Lord of the Unreal so that his tokens are 3/3s, but that's hardly Standard legal.
t2 creatures likely to connect on t3 also work quite well. Glint-Sleeve Siphoner is looking good, as it is likelier than most to connect on t3 and has its own card draw to synergize with Jace's +1. Given that he is meant to work with Pirate decks, I imagine that their wide strategy will dovetail nicely with his abilities.
The ultimate is much better than it looks, as well. (I second Anointed Procession for the giggles.) If you can ultimate him the first time... why not the second?
As far as the illusion goes, we should ask two questions:
1) How many other PWs (and 3-mana PWs at that) can make 2/2s? Sorin, Solemn Visitor is 4-mana and makes a 2/2 flier, but it is also a -2.
2) How much of a drawback is the illusion drawback? How many targeted abilities exist that are played and wouldn't already deal with the token?
Also, Why don't we get other mono blue planeswalkers? There are 10 mono blue planeswalkers. 7 of them are Jace. One of them is awesome and was printed in Commander and was never legal in Standard or Modern (Teferi, Temporal Archmage). One forces you to play a lot of artifacts and was printed 8 years ago (Tezzeret the Seeker). Then there is Tamiyo, the Moon Sage which is easily one of the best designed and most popular mono blue planeswalkers every printed.
Also, of those three non-Jace 'walkers, two have adopted additional colors, and the other lost his spark. So until WotC comes up with a new character, we're not likely to see any mono-blue 'walkers that aren't Jace. Mono-green has a similar problem; there's only Garruk, Nissa and Freyalise, and Garruk's still cursed (i.e. green/black), Nissa's splashing blue nowadays, and Freyalise is dead.
I'd say mono black has it a bit worse, seeing as there have only been three different ones (Liliana, Ob Nixilis, and Sorin) and of those Sorin is two colors now and we won't be seeing him any time soon. Sure there are a lot of walkers with black in their cost, but we only really have two at the moment.
Also, Why don't we get other mono blue planeswalkers? There are 10 mono blue planeswalkers. 7 of them are Jace. One of them is awesome and was printed in Commander and was never legal in Standard or Modern (Teferi, Temporal Archmage). One forces you to play a lot of artifacts and was printed 8 years ago (Tezzeret the Seeker). Then there is Tamiyo, the Moon Sage which is easily one of the best designed and most popular mono blue planeswalkers every printed.
Also, of those three non-Jace 'walkers, two have adopted additional colors, and the other lost his spark. So until WotC comes up with a new character, we're not likely to see any mono-blue 'walkers that aren't Jace. Mono-green has a similar problem; there's only Garruk, Nissa and Freyalise, and Garruk's still cursed (i.e. green/black), Nissa's splashing blue nowadays, and Freyalise is dead.
I'd say mono black has it a bit worse, seeing as there have only been three different ones (Liliana, Ob Nixilis, and Sorin) and of those Sorin is two colors now and we won't be seeing him any time soon. Sure there are a lot of walkers with black in their cost, but we only really have two at the moment.
Mono-black still has two living planeswalkers. Green has only one (and that one is also dabbling in blue in one of her cards, and who knows if that sticks), and blue has only one.
Also, Why don't we get other mono blue planeswalkers? There are 10 mono blue planeswalkers. 7 of them are Jace. One of them is awesome and was printed in Commander and was never legal in Standard or Modern (Teferi, Temporal Archmage). One forces you to play a lot of artifacts and was printed 8 years ago (Tezzeret the Seeker). Then there is Tamiyo, the Moon Sage which is easily one of the best designed and most popular mono blue planeswalkers every printed.
Also, of those three non-Jace 'walkers, two have adopted additional colors, and the other lost his spark. So until WotC comes up with a new character, we're not likely to see any mono-blue 'walkers that aren't Jace. Mono-green has a similar problem; there's only Garruk, Nissa and Freyalise, and Garruk's still cursed (i.e. green/black), Nissa's splashing blue nowadays, and Freyalise is dead.
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Why, just WHY is Jace doing something physically difficult like hanging from an air ladder (or whatever it's called), looking like he seriously took to the gym and now shows off? His.. his image! That's Gideon stuff! Where did the supernerd mentality go?
I find it funny that Jace has a fairly realistic (albeit not stereotypically nerdy) body and everyone's complaining, but none of these people ever complained about Steve Argyle's various assaults on anatomy, shading, and not making cards that look like something a cat vomited on the carpet. Okay, that last one wasn't fanservicey at all (unless you have a cat vomit fetish) but my point remains.
As for me, I always wondered why planeswalkers weren't legendary. It's mostly flavor fluff, but Gideon and Sarkhan really want to join Captain Sisay's crew, wear the Champion's Helm, and have their Day of Destiny.
@theMarc: What if the boardwipe is Aether Snap, which destroys all tokens and all planeswalkers (and a bunch of other things like spikes and creatures with graft.
I'm complaining here for this happening to Jace, not Ajani Vengeant or Koth of the Hammer. And yes, some cards are oversexualized with no reason, which annoys me. However, with a real stretch of imagination, one can just attribute it to different cultures.
Here, on the other hand, we have a friggin' planeswalker iconic to the game; I expect his depiction to convey his supposed character.
Actually, now I think it over, my problem is focused on that Jace is supposed to have voluntarily chosen to wear those particular clothes and adopted that posture, since in his previous depictions (e.g. Jace, Memory Adept - the non-foil one) he seems well-trained enough without losing his nerdy aura.
However, unless they randomly looted clothes and had nothing else to wear or were shipwrecked or whatnot in the story, this is an attire completely disassociated with Jace's previous preferences for clothes (e.g. Jace Beleren), which also conveyed a part of his personality.
Anyways, this concluded my overanalysis on why I don't like a certain depiction of a fictional character.
Nothing says tropical climate quite like thick robes and a hood...
If you look at it closely, his Ixilan get up looks like his normal attire that's been shredded, most likely in an ship wreck or as a consequence of however he winds up on the plane. He has one glove on, the top part had been ripped up. The remnants of his hood or cloak is flapping in the breeze. I am like 90% sure this has to do with tying into the "Castaway" moniker.
If you look up the definition of Castaway:
noun
a person who has been shipwrecked and stranded in an isolated place.
We can clearly see that Jace has been shipwrecked, which usually involves being battered by debris and the sea. Clothing - even the cool stuff that Planeswalers wear - is not immune to such damage.
Nothing says tropical climate quite like thick robes and a hood...
If you look at it closely, his Ixilan get up looks like his normal attire that's been shredded, most likely in an ship wreck or as a consequence of however he winds up on the plane. He has one glove on, the top part had been ripped up. The remnants of his hood or cloak is flapping in the breeze. I am like 90% sure this has to do with tying into the "Castaway" moniker.
If you look up the definition of Castaway:
noun
a person who has been shipwrecked and stranded in an isolated place.
We can clearly see that Jace has been shipwrecked, which usually involves being battered by debris and the sea. Clothing - even the cool stuff that Planeswalers wear - is not immune to such damage.
Ah, very sensible. Can't argue with logic. Read the name but din't let it it sink through in relation to the clothing (I guess I'm too used to complete tatters and a storm in the background for this kind of mental connection).
There have been quite a few castaways depicted in fiction that weren't in complete tatters or had a storm in the background. I just think you wanted to rant about Jace's appearance being changed.
Nothing says tropical climate quite like thick robes and a hood...
If you look at it closely, his Ixilan get up looks like his normal attire that's been shredded, most likely in an ship wreck or as a consequence of however he winds up on the plane. He has one glove on, the top part had been ripped up. The remnants of his hood or cloak is flapping in the breeze. I am like 90% sure this has to do with tying into the "Castaway" moniker.
If you look up the definition of Castaway:
noun
a person who has been shipwrecked and stranded in an isolated place.
We can clearly see that Jace has been shipwrecked, which usually involves being battered by debris and the sea. Clothing - even the cool stuff that Planeswalers wear - is not immune to such damage.
Ah, very sensible. Can't argue with logic. Read the name but din't let it it sink through in relation to the clothing (I guess I'm too used to complete tatters and a storm in the background for this kind of mental connection).
It didn't sink in for me until the second time I saw it
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Jace art is amazing quality, shows progress in the game appealing to women and gay men as they've gradually begun doing (long overdue) and it was about time we got a Jace card - let alone one dealing with illusions to boot.
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Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
Anyway, I'm excited about these changes, and while Jace's new card isn't particularly exciting on its own, I really wanna build a modern deck including him, Samut, and Doubling Season
I wonder if Gideon tribal will be a real deck now too...
As for Jace himself.... I have to say I'm a bit confused.... He feels too utility, and aside from his interaction with Doubling Seasons (which I am super sure won't be reprinted in the near future anyway) he doesn't quite have board impact all things considered. Yes, that 2/2 creature can sometimes help, but with his low starting loyalty how much will it help?
Having said that, though, he's in the same standard format as Embalm, Eternalize and Aftermath, so I might have bee too salty about him. He probably could be a strong utility card, regardless.
EDIT: Darn... reread the card and saw that his looting only works once per combat regardless of alpha strike.... makes him suckier by the moment.
AFAIK, the only card capable of cloning a Planeswalker is Clever Impersonator.
So even if cloning PW's were considerably more rewarding than it actually is,
it would probably still be more effort than it's worth.
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Non-Commander casual decks with multiples of specific PW cards? ...but really, people weren't already doing this with creatures, making Gallery a 20+$ card.....
Mirror Gallery suffers from the same problem that a lot of bad cards do: it does absolutely nothing unless you have another card to combo it with. Gallery goes one step beyond, though, by not doing anything unless you have at least two other cards to combo it with. And even then, it opens you up to getting blown out with artifact removal. There's not much planeswalkers can do with Gallery that they couldn't already do with The Chain Veil.
Mirror Gallery's price spike won't last. It's just people wildly speculating.
The plus ability is a conditional loot ability. That's really terrible. You draw and then discard a card after spending three mana, but only if you already have a board presence and can manage to deal combat damage. Really pause and think about how bad that is.
The second ability creates a Phantasmal Bear token. So the minus ability is worth a spell that normally costs U. An incredibly fragile creature with no evasion that barely protects Jace. Saheeli Rai, Nissa, Voice of Zendikar and Liliana, the Last Hope are recent planeswalkers with a CMC of 3 that have better minus abilities. Gideon of the Trials 0 abilities are also better.
The ultimate is unique and interesting and seems cool until you realize how bad the other two abilities are. Looting abilities are especially bad in multiples.
Also none of the abilities have synergy with each other.
This is so annoying. The next time we get a Jace, it will probably have a converted mana cost of 5 or 6.
Also, Why don't we get other mono blue planeswalkers? There are 10 mono blue planeswalkers. 7 of them are Jace. One of them is awesome and was printed in Commander and was never legal in Standard or Modern (Teferi, Temporal Archmage). One forces you to play a lot of artifacts and was printed 8 years ago (Tezzeret the Seeker). Then there is Tamiyo, the Moon Sage which is easily one of the best designed and most popular mono blue planeswalkers every printed.
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While I pretty much agree with you, keep in mind that it IS hard to evaluate without testing. People here, including me, thought that Jace, Vryn's Prodigy was week. We all know how that turned out.
It's been mentioned about a dozen times already.
The issue is how good it will be outside of that. Samut is also nuts with Doubling Season, but she's pretty mediocre outside of that.
This Jace is a very aggro Jace. He wants to be in an attacking build. The ideal t2 play before him is clearly Lord of the Unreal so that his tokens are 3/3s, but that's hardly Standard legal.
t2 creatures likely to connect on t3 also work quite well. Glint-Sleeve Siphoner is looking good, as it is likelier than most to connect on t3 and has its own card draw to synergize with Jace's +1. Given that he is meant to work with Pirate decks, I imagine that their wide strategy will dovetail nicely with his abilities.
The ultimate is much better than it looks, as well. (I second Anointed Procession for the giggles.) If you can ultimate him the first time... why not the second?
As far as the illusion goes, we should ask two questions:
1) How many other PWs (and 3-mana PWs at that) can make 2/2s? Sorin, Solemn Visitor is 4-mana and makes a 2/2 flier, but it is also a -2.
2) How much of a drawback is the illusion drawback? How many targeted abilities exist that are played and wouldn't already deal with the token?
You wrote this whole rant about a character whose memories were just erased by Nicol Bolas, and ended up "stranded" on a plane with pirates.
I agree that we should see how this Jace performs before declaring him unplayable. People all too often make that mistake.
I'd say mono black has it a bit worse, seeing as there have only been three different ones (Liliana, Ob Nixilis, and Sorin) and of those Sorin is two colors now and we won't be seeing him any time soon. Sure there are a lot of walkers with black in their cost, but we only really have two at the moment.
Mono-black still has two living planeswalkers. Green has only one (and that one is also dabbling in blue in one of her cards, and who knows if that sticks), and blue has only one.
To be fair, Tamiyo was made bant colors for gameplay and development reasons (they didn't want two mono-blue walkers in the same block) and next time we see her in card form she could be mono-blue.
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Nothing says tropical climate quite like thick robes and a hood...
If you look at it closely, his Ixilan get up looks like his normal attire that's been shredded, most likely in an ship wreck or as a consequence of however he winds up on the plane. He has one glove on, the top part had been ripped up. The remnants of his hood or cloak is flapping in the breeze. I am like 90% sure this has to do with tying into the "Castaway" moniker.
If you look up the definition of Castaway:
noun
a person who has been shipwrecked and stranded in an isolated place.
We can clearly see that Jace has been shipwrecked, which usually involves being battered by debris and the sea. Clothing - even the cool stuff that Planeswalers wear - is not immune to such damage.
There have been quite a few castaways depicted in fiction that weren't in complete tatters or had a storm in the background. I just think you wanted to rant about Jace's appearance being changed.
It didn't sink in for me until the second time I saw it
it's no different in this case
this new jace PW is great....it fits all the hallmarks of a good PW
it's cheap, protects itself, and has an easily achieved ultimate......that gets out of control stupid fast
this card is going to be a nightmare to play against....
Your first statement is correct. Your last statement is not because we will still have easy answers for planeswalkers after rotation.