Even in EDH this card sucks. 7 mana to recur 2 creatures, three of which is colored mana. 9 mana to get back 3 creatures? And there's a decent chance that their being 4/4's are worse than what the creature was originally. A competent EDH player wants a lot more out of their 9 mana.
Yeah, this. There are probably decks that might think about it, but those are sort of niche themey decks anyways (say, Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun tokens). At this mana cost blue can currently steal everything (Blatant Thievery) or one-sided wrath the table (Cyclonic Rift) or sweep + get an 8/8 (Crush of Tentacles + a random cantrip), and you aren't far off from even more bonkers effects (Time Stretch, Expropriate, Omniscience). Crucially, all of those can be cast with a five-fingered discount via Narset, Enlightened Master. If we add other colors, most other colors can muster a bigger army for less mana using something like Ever After, Decree of Justice, Ezuri's Predation, or other such spells. There are combos you can do by making utility creatures much bigger than they ought to be, but overall it's a little meh for a mythic.
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That's... just dissapointing. Way too much mana, but I suppose that's the out-of-color-pie tax to get "Reanimation" in blue. Still, I can't see this being a good deal unless you have infinite mana and can eternalize everything, and even then there are better options that would let you win on the spot.
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Even in EDH this card sucks. 7 mana to recur 2 creatures, three of which is colored mana. 9 mana to get back 3 creatures? And there's a decent chance that their being 4/4's are worse than what the creature was originally. A competent EDH player wants a lot more out of their 9 mana.
Yeah, this. There are probably decks that might think about it, but those are sort of niche themey decks anyways (say, Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun tokens). At this mana cost blue can currently steal everything (Blatant Thievery) or one-sided wrath the table (Cyclonic Rift) or sweep + get an 8/8 (Crush of Tentacles + a random cantrip), and you aren't far off from even more bonkers effects (Time Stretch, Expropriate, Omniscience). Crucially, all of those can be cast with a five-fingered discount via Narset, Enlightened Master. If we add other colors, most other colors can muster a bigger army for less mana using something like Ever After, Decree of Justice, Ezuri's Predation, or other such spells. There are combos you can do by making utility creatures much bigger than they ought to be, but overall it's a little meh for a mythic.
Well, in a 99 card singleton format, you obviously want than just the 6 spells you listed. Sure there are better cards than this, but blue doesn't have this, at all. You can have a deck that makes use of turning spent creatures into 4/4's, abusing ETB's and what not.
Is it a competetive EDH card? No, no it's not, but that doesn't mean it's a bad card for the format. I'm sure I'll lose to this card once or twice, the triple-U is hard, but when you can revive Hero of Oxid Ridge at a 4/4, things start to get interesting, in Izzet colors no less.
I'll play the heck out of this. Color bending cards are insane.
I wouldn't even call it useful in EDH. That's the format with almost every card in the game. Why would we want this when there are so many better options?
Even in EDH this card sucks. 7 mana to recur 2 creatures, three of which is colored mana. 9 mana to get back 3 creatures? And there's a decent chance that their being 4/4's are worse than what the creature was originally. A competent EDH player wants a lot more out of their 9 mana.
Agreed. I love how so many people see high costed junk and assume it's great for EDH. It's not. Even in EDH, we want efficient cards.
While it'll be tempting to play this with mostly small creatures so the Eternalize effect is a scale up in size, consider creatures with splashy ETB effects like Titans and Gearhulks. Getting extra uses out of those en masse could be worth the trade down in size.
Shoot again, even casting this spell at X=1 can get the engine rolling with copying effects when it means Eternalizing a good ETB creature. It's almost Fated Infatuation at that point.
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I like that it can turn weenies into fatties, unlike comparable existing cards. the fact that it's monoblue is what makes it interesting though. If it were black, it would just be yet another black "reanimator" card.
I like that it can turn weenies into fatties, unlike comparable existing cards. the fact that it's monoblue is what makes it interesting though. If it were black, it would just be yet another black "reanimator" card.
Agreed. I guess all of those Blue reanimation spells really make this look sub-par in comparison...
I mean, it "combos" with Shaman of the Great Hunt. It allows you to reanimate Stormbreath Dragon for identical CMC and retain its Monstorous ability. Great with Ferocious, Formidable(turns it on with 2 creatures), Evovle. Its a pretty solid spell.
Again, not a format staple, nor a powerhouse, but it's abusable and is a good card overall.
To play in Embalm and Eternalize decks. Maro said making a clone of a creature is in blue and this also has a feel of working in self mill deck. Defiantly a hard bend and (imo) just barley not a break since its in also a graveyard themed block.
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The card reads "is a black Zombie", instead of "is a black Zombie in addition to its other types".
This is completely inconsistent with the Eternalize mechanic which it's clearly meant to be mimicking.
Suddenly, that horrible Hostage Taker mistake from the Ixalan leak no longer seems like an obvious sign that the leak was falsified. Quality control just seems to be lacking at the moment.
The card reads "is a black Zombie", instead of "is a black Zombie in addition to its other types".
This is completely inconsistent with the Eternalize mechanic which it's clearly meant to be mimicking.
Suddenly, that horrible Hostage Taker mistake from the Ixalan leak no longer seems like an obvious sign that the leak was falsified. Quality control just seems to be lacking at the moment.
Apparently you need reading comprehension. They all use the same wording of "Create a token that's a copy of it, except its a 4/4 black Zombie". Its Eternalize without the keyword.
No, Eternalize keeps creature types, as you just linked yourself: Adorned Pouncer creates a 4/4 black Zombie CAT, for example. It's just like Embalm from the set before.
Whereas the things which only mimic Eternalize, rather than actually using the keyword, don't keep the original creature types. Which is really inconsistent and would've been so easy to change by just adding those six words. That's my issue.
Hadn't read God-Pharoah's Gift before, but the fact that it's the case for all the non-Eternalize cards doesn't really make it any cleaner.
Sorcery makes me cry. Will likely be a finisher in some control deck, I guess.
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No, Eternalize keeps creature types, as you just linked yourself: Adorned Pouncer creates a 4/4 black Zombie CAT, for example. It's just like Embalm from the set before.
Whereas the things which only mimic Eternalize, rather than actually using the keyword, don't keep the original creature types. Which is really inconsistent and would've been so easy to change by just adding those six words. That's my issue.
Hadn't read God-Pharoah's Gift before, but the fact that it's the case for all the non-Eternalize cards doesn't really make it any cleaner.
Well, from what I can tell, the adorned pouncer is the exception and not the rule here. Percentages and all...
For this effect that is. Scarab God and God-Pharaohs gift are templated the same, and there probably is a good reason for that.
Anyway, on the topic of the card itself, this is potentially pretty bonkers. I especially like how nicely Eldrazi Skyspawner curves into an X=1 cast of this.
Man this set is weird. There are so many cards that are decent but they feel just not quite there. Things like this card and plenty others feel like they were afraid to or just forgot to go all the way with some cards. Why can't this pull from any yard? The Scarab God can.
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Even there is isnt the greatest... outside of Geralf EDH maybe...
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Yeah, this. There are probably decks that might think about it, but those are sort of niche themey decks anyways (say, Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun tokens). At this mana cost blue can currently steal everything (Blatant Thievery) or one-sided wrath the table (Cyclonic Rift) or sweep + get an 8/8 (Crush of Tentacles + a random cantrip), and you aren't far off from even more bonkers effects (Time Stretch, Expropriate, Omniscience). Crucially, all of those can be cast with a five-fingered discount via Narset, Enlightened Master. If we add other colors, most other colors can muster a bigger army for less mana using something like Ever After, Decree of Justice, Ezuri's Predation, or other such spells. There are combos you can do by making utility creatures much bigger than they ought to be, but overall it's a little meh for a mythic.
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Well, in a 99 card singleton format, you obviously want than just the 6 spells you listed. Sure there are better cards than this, but blue doesn't have this, at all. You can have a deck that makes use of turning spent creatures into 4/4's, abusing ETB's and what not.
Is it a competetive EDH card? No, no it's not, but that doesn't mean it's a bad card for the format. I'm sure I'll lose to this card once or twice, the triple-U is hard, but when you can revive Hero of Oxid Ridge at a 4/4, things start to get interesting, in Izzet colors no less.
I'll play the heck out of this. Color bending cards are insane.
Edit-It's a rare, not a mythic...
Agreed. I love how so many people see high costed junk and assume it's great for EDH. It's not. Even in EDH, we want efficient cards.
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While it'll be tempting to play this with mostly small creatures so the Eternalize effect is a scale up in size, consider creatures with splashy ETB effects like Titans and Gearhulks. Getting extra uses out of those en masse could be worth the trade down in size.
Shoot again, even casting this spell at X=1 can get the engine rolling with copying effects when it means Eternalizing a good ETB creature. It's almost Fated Infatuation at that point.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
Agreed. I guess all of those Blue reanimation spells really make this look sub-par in comparison...
I mean, it "combos" with Shaman of the Great Hunt. It allows you to reanimate Stormbreath Dragon for identical CMC and retain its Monstorous ability. Great with Ferocious, Formidable(turns it on with 2 creatures), Evovle. Its a pretty solid spell.
Again, not a format staple, nor a powerhouse, but it's abusable and is a good card overall.
We also got a few days worth of spoilers the weekend before as well as this being a small set.
To play in Embalm and Eternalize decks. Maro said making a clone of a creature is in blue and this also has a feel of working in self mill deck. Defiantly a hard bend and (imo) just barley not a break since its in also a graveyard themed block.
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Maybe Blossoming Defense to protect it and pump it even more.
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I suspect this is Blue because there is an "Hour" for each color,
and Black (the other Eternalize color)
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This is completely inconsistent with the Eternalize mechanic which it's clearly meant to be mimicking.
Suddenly, that horrible Hostage Taker mistake from the Ixalan leak no longer seems like an obvious sign that the leak was falsified. Quality control just seems to be lacking at the moment.
Blacks already got hour of glory. Red would be getting hour of devastation if this was to be a full cycle.
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Apparently you need reading comprehension. They all use the same wording of "Create a token that's a copy of it, except its a 4/4 black Zombie". Its Eternalize without the keyword.
Whereas the things which only mimic Eternalize, rather than actually using the keyword, don't keep the original creature types. Which is really inconsistent and would've been so easy to change by just adding those six words. That's my issue.
Hadn't read God-Pharoah's Gift before, but the fact that it's the case for all the non-Eternalize cards doesn't really make it any cleaner.
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Well, from what I can tell, the adorned pouncer is the exception and not the rule here. Percentages and all...
For this effect that is. Scarab God and God-Pharaohs gift are templated the same, and there probably is a good reason for that.
Anyway, on the topic of the card itself, this is potentially pretty bonkers. I especially like how nicely Eldrazi Skyspawner curves into an X=1 cast of this.
This scales terrible and getting X=2 is already a stretch.
Not impressed.
Especially not in blue ...
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