Look, 2 interesting cards.
Supreme Will is... decent. The flexibility is nice, the effects fair. I do not believe the design team responsible for Open Fire produced this card. And I am sorely disappointed that NOBODY decided to do:
In fact - gasp - that'd be an interesting common cycle. And there's no reason this NEEDS to be uncommon. But given it's the first (non-reprint) csrd I've seem from the set that wouldn't make me consider firing someone, I'm going to say "good job."
I like Supreme Will. I will use it in casual constructed!
I'd be interested to hear from anybody who's played Mana Leak in competitive Magic more than I have (note: I haven't played competitive constructed for most of the last decade). How often does anybody have three generic mana to pay and prevent their spell from being countered? It seems like that'd be very disruptive well into the mid- or even late game; don't most decks usually like to use as much mana as they can each turn?
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So, Scarab God confirmed for UB or UR? My inclination is UR as Locusts seem more black than red.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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Supreme Will is amazing, for only 1 extra mana you get to choose between Mana Leak and Impulse, this is exactly the sort of card that control loves, early-mid game it's going to be your generic 3cc hard counter and then late game it'll dig for whatever you need.
The 3 casting cost counters played now are disallow and void shatter, the latter which will leave standard in September. After that I think Supreme will can be played in every blue control deck.
Until then I'm still playing a mix of the other two. I have glimmer and pull to get cards but looking 4 cards deep will speed up my second approach of the second sun, so I may have to fit 2-3 Supreme will in the deck and move void shatters to the sideboard.
1U? Yes. UU? Probably not. However, I understand why they didn't want to. And this card could see play in Modern Storm, and would lose its impact if it were UU, as its cost can't be lessened by Baral or Electromancer.
Hrm. Wonder if this is a cycle. Perhaps the red one is a bolt or a shatter for 2R. I know there's something more limited in that vein coming up, but more options are always welcome. Damnation looks sweet too.
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God forbid Wizards from reprinting a Mana leak in standard. Using this card largely depends on how a player filled out their curve in the deck. It is good when looked at in isolation, but if someone already has a ton of 3 drops this will have to compete in that same subsection of cards. I do like this one more than Censor, which might as well be it's baby brother in arms. Hope people are keeping their mana open in standard these days because that's a lot of leakage there.
Stop asking for Mana leak, its one of the best counterspells ever printed and debatably better than counterspell.
Its of a past era, and unless you want standard to be a 3-4 turn win format, it will be way too strong for standard.
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God forbid Wizards from reprinting a Mana leak in standard. Using this card largely depends on how a player filled out their curve in the deck. It is good when looked at in isolation, but if someone already has a ton of 3 drops this will have to compete in that same subsection of cards. I do like this one more than Censor, which might as well be it's baby brother in arms. Hope people are keeping their mana open in standard these days because that's a lot of leakage there.
Stop asking for Mana leak, its one of the best counterspells ever printed and debatably better than counterspell.
Its of a past era, and unless you want standard to be a 3-4 turn win format, it will be way too strong for standard.
I'll keep asking for past era cards because current era card design seems to be creatures: The game, with sprinkled remnants of the past thrown in.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
That's a fair opinion, but I'm not sure Mana Leak is the best one to get back from the point of view of - to use a brand-new term - play design.
Mana Leak is a lot more like a hard counterspell than people often give it credit for. How many decks just have three extra mana lying around with any regularity?
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God forbid Wizards from reprinting a Mana leak in standard. Using this card largely depends on how a player filled out their curve in the deck. It is good when looked at in isolation, but if someone already has a ton of 3 drops this will have to compete in that same subsection of cards. I do like this one more than Censor, which might as well be it's baby brother in arms. Hope people are keeping their mana open in standard these days because that's a lot of leakage there.
Stop asking for Mana leak, its one of the best counterspells ever printed and debatably better than counterspell.
Its of a past era, and unless you want standard to be a 3-4 turn win format, it will be way too strong for standard.
I'll keep asking for past era cards because current era card design seems to be creatures: The game, with sprinkled remnants of the past thrown in.
With that logic we should reprint natural order, show and tell and dark ritual too.
Mana leak can be a very oppresive card when its good, you do not understand what you are asking.
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God forbid Wizards from reprinting a Mana leak in standard. Using this card largely depends on how a player filled out their curve in the deck. It is good when looked at in isolation, but if someone already has a ton of 3 drops this will have to compete in that same subsection of cards. I do like this one more than Censor, which might as well be it's baby brother in arms. Hope people are keeping their mana open in standard these days because that's a lot of leakage there.
Stop asking for Mana leak, its one of the best counterspells ever printed and debatably better than counterspell.
Its of a past era, and unless you want standard to be a 3-4 turn win format, it will be way too strong for standard.
I'll keep asking for past era cards because current era card design seems to be creatures: The game, with sprinkled remnants of the past thrown in.
With that logic we should reprint natural order, show and tell and dark ritual too.
Mana leak can be a very oppresive card when its good, you do not understand what you are asking.
Natural Order right now gets you a Omnath, Locus of Rage at best, after that you have Ulvenwald Hydra or Soul of the Harvest and stuff that is decent, but not crazy. Oddly right now getting all of that stuff out turn 4 or 5 would be really strong, but that's because removal isn't anywhere near competent in Standard at the moment. If we had decent removal all getting out a turn four Garruk's Horde would do is get you three-for-one'd.
In Modern it would be more dangerous when you can get stuff like Vorinclex, but there's actual removal in that format so it wouldn't be too too crazy.
I played Valakut back during the bane of Cawblade and honestly Mana Leak was easy to get around. Sometimes you just gotta play off curve, now sure Valakut was a ramp deck and other decks can't risk it, but it isn't as strong as people keep letting on. Hell, I even played Mono White Cawblade and Mana Leak was barely an issue.
That's a fair opinion, but I'm not sure Mana Leak is the best one to get back from the point of view of - to use a brand-new term - play design.
Mana Leak is a lot more like a hard counterspell than people often give it credit for. How many decks just have three extra mana lying around with any regularity?
It's powerful, but that is the point of it. The card heavily slows down aggressive strategies and does so effectively, even more so than many of the existing leak spells. Also, many of the new creatures are already on this cards power level and intentionally weakening spells seems rather ironic in the light of that.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
I think the new modal cards are better in a new age non-rotating format that favors the new and very good take on making decisions important over pure efficiency. Modern basically just wants hyper efficient cards, which is why the only modal cards to make the transition are two for one specials like the commands and collective brutality.
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1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
That's a fair opinion, but I'm not sure Mana Leak is the best one to get back from the point of view of - to use a brand-new term - play design.
Mana Leak is a lot more like a hard counterspell than people often give it credit for. How many decks just have three extra mana lying around with any regularity?
It's powerful, but that is the point of it. The card heavily slows down aggressive strategies and does so effectively, even more so than many of the existing leak spells. Also, many of the new creatures are already on this cards power level and intentionally weakening spells seems rather ironic in the light of that.
To be honest, I'm not certain any more just how many of the new creatures are on Mana Leak's power level. We've stepped a long way down from the days of Baneslayer Angel and the Titans.
I know that era of Standard had quite a diversity of strategies and approaches, but I think of the people on this forum and others lecturing each other about "Doom Blade/Mana Leak/etc are just so efficient, you can't even look at a creature that isn't outlandishly efficient and/or doesn't have a sorcery stapled to it". I don't think we should go back to those days; perhaps we have gone too far from them now, but there needs to be a middle ground. Murder or Unlicensed Disintegration seem like good baselines in their area, and I think it also allows for more interesting and less purely-efficient removal and counterspells to see play.
I don't think I can defend that three-mana Lightning Strike (for Standard - it's okay for limited), though - something like Lightning Strike or Smother is a much better way to encourage bigger creatures than printing Baneslayer Angel or Primeval Titan
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You compare the wrong card.
Abrade it is.
And that card is really strong and will for sure see play in standard as it hoses creatures AND artifacts, which is all relevant.
And its instant too.
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I'd be interested to hear from anybody who's played Mana Leak in competitive Magic more than I have (note: I haven't played competitive constructed for most of the last decade). How often does anybody have three generic mana to pay and prevent their spell from being countered? It seems like that'd be very disruptive well into the mid- or even late game; don't most decks usually like to use as much mana as they can each turn?
So, Scarab God confirmed for UB or UR? My inclination is UR as Locusts seem more black than red.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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Until then I'm still playing a mix of the other two. I have glimmer and pull to get cards but looking 4 cards deep will speed up my second approach of the second sun, so I may have to fit 2-3 Supreme will in the deck and move void shatters to the sideboard.
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1U? Yes. UU? Probably not. However, I understand why they didn't want to. And this card could see play in Modern Storm, and would lose its impact if it were UU, as its cost can't be lessened by Baral or Electromancer.
Considering it's two 1U spells stapled together, thank whatever god you pray to that WotC didn't make it cost 3UUU. Card is sweet.
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So wait, scorpion god, (BR) scarab god, (UB) and... Locust god? (UR) Forgive me, I'm not super up on the spoilers.
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Yes.
Edit wait no. I misread your suggested cost as 1u. Uu would be powerful but not necessarily overpowered. I think.
Stop asking for Mana leak, its one of the best counterspells ever printed and debatably better than counterspell.
Its of a past era, and unless you want standard to be a 3-4 turn win format, it will be way too strong for standard.
Give irony and sarcasm, when ignorance and stupidity is found.
The whip is kept for special occasions
I'll keep asking for past era cards because current era card design seems to be creatures: The game, with sprinkled remnants of the past thrown in.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Mana Leak is a lot more like a hard counterspell than people often give it credit for. How many decks just have three extra mana lying around with any regularity?
With that logic we should reprint natural order, show and tell and dark ritual too.
Mana leak can be a very oppresive card when its good, you do not understand what you are asking.
Give irony and sarcasm, when ignorance and stupidity is found.
The whip is kept for special occasions
Natural Order right now gets you a Omnath, Locus of Rage at best, after that you have Ulvenwald Hydra or Soul of the Harvest and stuff that is decent, but not crazy. Oddly right now getting all of that stuff out turn 4 or 5 would be really strong, but that's because removal isn't anywhere near competent in Standard at the moment. If we had decent removal all getting out a turn four Garruk's Horde would do is get you three-for-one'd.
In Modern it would be more dangerous when you can get stuff like Vorinclex, but there's actual removal in that format so it wouldn't be too too crazy.
I played Valakut back during the bane of Cawblade and honestly Mana Leak was easy to get around. Sometimes you just gotta play off curve, now sure Valakut was a ramp deck and other decks can't risk it, but it isn't as strong as people keep letting on. Hell, I even played Mono White Cawblade and Mana Leak was barely an issue.
It's powerful, but that is the point of it. The card heavily slows down aggressive strategies and does so effectively, even more so than many of the existing leak spells. Also, many of the new creatures are already on this cards power level and intentionally weakening spells seems rather ironic in the light of that.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
To be honest, I'm not certain any more just how many of the new creatures are on Mana Leak's power level. We've stepped a long way down from the days of Baneslayer Angel and the Titans.
I know that era of Standard had quite a diversity of strategies and approaches, but I think of the people on this forum and others lecturing each other about "Doom Blade/Mana Leak/etc are just so efficient, you can't even look at a creature that isn't outlandishly efficient and/or doesn't have a sorcery stapled to it". I don't think we should go back to those days; perhaps we have gone too far from them now, but there needs to be a middle ground. Murder or Unlicensed Disintegration seem like good baselines in their area, and I think it also allows for more interesting and less purely-efficient removal and counterspells to see play.
I don't think I can defend that three-mana Lightning Strike (for Standard - it's okay for limited), though - something like Lightning Strike or Smother is a much better way to encourage bigger creatures than printing Baneslayer Angel or Primeval Titan