can you get get an Ancestrall Vision for 0? It says instead of its Manacost
My assumption is that because it says "instead of its mana cost" and visions has no mana cost the answer is no. It seems like they specifically worded it that way instead of , "Card with X CMC or less"
Ancestral Vision's converted mana cost is 0. You can cast it immediately upon dropping this enchantment. Same principle as the numerous Cascade cards that do the same thing with Vision and a bunch of other 0-CMC Suspend cards.
Until we get an actual ruling from wizards we won't know. This card is worded completely differently than every other cast for free spell.
In modern you can go turn 1 mana dork, turn 2 As Foretold and cast one of the spells above. If you don't have any of them you can turn 3 Tolaria West and search for whatever you need. Rebuy Tolaria West with Life from the Loam.
It allows T5 tapped out to still counter something.
By T6 you got free spells and all the mana you need for total lockdown
Could be ok
This not including mana or counters ramp
can you get get an Ancestrall Vision for 0? It says instead of its Manacost
My assumption is that because it says "instead of its mana cost" and visions has no mana cost the answer is no. It seems like they specifically worded it that way instead of , "Card with X CMC or less"
Ancestral Vision's converted mana cost is 0. You can cast it immediately upon dropping this enchantment. Same principle as the numerous Cascade cards that do the same thing with Vision and a bunch of other 0-CMC Suspend cards.
Yes but it has no mana cost. This card works differently than omniscience or cascade.
I may be. But I really think this card will have some legs in Modern. "Free" spells always have the ability to be abused. This one is ready made for that.
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I was reading it thinking another Brain in the Jar esqe effect with flavour im still not sure about but then re read the "or less". Well holy moly this could be interesting.
Now we also see another reason why the recent rule change on Split/Fuse cards came about.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
So this seems like it's tailor-made to enable instant-based control decks. Get this thing down and then it's shields-up for the rest of the game, with no wasted mana ever. Can you imagine this with Torrential Gearhulk?
Even more insane in Modern, though. This screams to be abused there. Seriously, lay this thing down, cast Restore Balance or Ancestral Visions like it's not even a thing, and then proceed to just out-mana every deck in the format.
Ancestral Vision 10/15/2006: This has no mana cost, which means it can’t normally be cast as a spell. You could, however, cast it via some alternate means, like with Fist of Suns or Mind's Desire.
Fist of Suns
You may pay WUBRG rather than pay the mana cost for spells that you cast.
Replace WUBRG with 0 and we have a similar text as this card. If Fist of Suns effect can cast it, this enchantment can
Question is will this hit the price range of aether vial
Because this is better than that despite being 2 CMC more.
The one no only reason that can prevent this from being so high is Omniscience
Let's not get silly now. Aether Vial costs 1 and allows you to dodge countermagic.
If it had to wait until t3 to come down and could be easily countered,
it would not be anywhere near as good.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
This really depends on the quality of card draw and mana sinks in the format. If there is a lot to do with your mana while not casting spells, this can let you play twice as much. One example might be if the cycling theme is pushed hard enough, Drake Haven could just sit back and cycle into drakes, while using this to cast spells. If there is something serious to do with free mana, this would work well. I mean even waiting 2 turns to take inventory without paying for it is a nice thing.
As for flashback, it won't work. This clearly says 'instead of the mana cost'. In flashback, you're paying the flashback cost, so no, this doesn't work. Also with Ancestral Visions, do you pay the mana cost? No, so it won't be castable.
Question is will this hit the price range of aether vial
Because this is better than that despite being 2 CMC more.
The one no only reason that can prevent this from being so high is Omniscience
Let's not get silly now. Aether Vial costs 1 and allows you to dodge countermagic.
If it had to wait until t3 to come down and could be easily countered,
it would not be anywhere near as good.
That said, this card is still quite good.
Not to mention that you must put a counter on As foretold in your upkeep.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Until we get an actual ruling from wizards we won't know. This card is worded completely differently than every other cast for free spell.
In modern you can go turn 1 mana dork, turn 2 As Foretold and cast one of the spells above. If you don't have any of them you can turn 3 Tolaria West and search for whatever you need. Rebuy Tolaria West with Life from the Loam.
You can also goldfish a turn 1 As Foretold with Simian Spirit Guide, Chancellor of the Tangle, 1 Land and cast Restore Balance/Wheel of Fate. If you restore balance they will end with few cards and since you have As foretold you can play whatever you draw (most of the time) for free.
And I got her deck for only $27-$32 (I got all five 4 color decks pre-ordered for $136ish)
By T6 you got free spells and all the mana you need for total lockdown
Could be ok
This not including mana or counters ramp
Yes but it has no mana cost. This card works differently than omniscience or cascade.
No, because flashback is already an alternative cost.
Try to predict the advantage of this card:
Turn 1: two 0 costed spells (no "mana" advantage)
Turn 2: two 1 costed spells (total 2 mana).
Turn 3: two 2 costed spells (total 6=2+4 mana)
Turn 4: two 3 costed spells (total 12=2+4+6 mana)
There is also the sinergy with other cards (no mana cost?) and with instants, and it is blue of course.
Because this is better than that despite being 2 CMC more.
The one no only reason that can prevent this from being so high is Omniscience
I may be. But I really think this card will have some legs in Modern. "Free" spells always have the ability to be abused. This one is ready made for that.
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Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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RG Titanshift. A deck made of cards too stupid for EDH.
Retired: Lots. More than I feel you should suffer through or I should type out.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Even more insane in Modern, though. This screams to be abused there. Seriously, lay this thing down, cast Restore Balance or Ancestral Visions like it's not even a thing, and then proceed to just out-mana every deck in the format.
10/15/2006: This has no mana cost, which means it can’t normally be cast as a spell. You could, however, cast it via some alternate means, like with Fist of Suns or Mind's Desire.
Fist of Suns
You may pay WUBRG rather than pay the mana cost for spells that you cast.
Replace WUBRG with 0 and we have a similar text as this card. If Fist of Suns effect can cast it, this enchantment can
Totally going to start doing that now when I cast spells with help form this enchantment.
Let's not get silly now.
Aether Vial costs 1 and allows you to dodge countermagic.
If it had to wait until t3 to come down and could be easily countered,
it would not be anywhere near as good.
That said, this card is still quite good.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
As for flashback, it won't work. This clearly says 'instead of the mana cost'. In flashback, you're paying the flashback cost, so no, this doesn't work. Also with Ancestral Visions, do you pay the mana cost? No, so it won't be castable.
Not a drawback. Card says "X CMC or less"
I have hopes that UW-centric control becomes a bit more Modern viable.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
URW PillowFort Stasis (costruction)
modern:
U Taking Turns combo
pauper:
UB Servitor Control
xenob8 : you know you are going to have a bad time when opponent starts with snow covered island
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WGUBR 5c Humans
GWR Naya Zoo
Legacy:
GW GW Maverick
R Goblins
URW PillowFort Stasis (costruction)
modern:
U Taking Turns combo
pauper:
UB Servitor Control
xenob8 : you know you are going to have a bad time when opponent starts with snow covered island