Notice how atlazan has fish people and conquest of power has surface men. Given the history of mesoamerica I think the idea is Atlatean aztecs that get invaded by the surface conquistadors in set 2.
IF this is real, and IF we assume a vraska appearance would set up Ravnica 3.0, that seems very off. Why would Theros not be revisited beforehand when we've set that return up more than any other world? Why would we return to Ravnica before Koth and Phyrexian conflict is resolved. I'm not sure if this is real or not, but 3 new sets in a row and Vraska and Ajani both showing up again seems oddly timed.
Again, no idea if this is even real, but timing would seem odd.
Because sadly for whatever reason, Ravnica is "popular" and we are doomed into having to keep enduring it. The place doesn't even have anything interesting going for it, IMO. Woo, guilds. I suppose Niv discovering planes walkers could be a thing, and there's Ral. IDK. But I suspect a third return there would happen before a second return anywhere else, even before a popular and loved plane like Theros. Sadly.
Ravnica is the most popular and beloved plane in mtg history, rivaled only by Innistrad. Wotc would be brain damaged to not return to it. Besides its not like it would be overdone; assuming Atlazan for Fall 2017, Rav3 would be Spring 2018, thats a five and a half year gap at minimum.
Although your theros question brings up a point I an maro repeat every time someone demands a Return to kamigawa. Every time wotc does a return set they have to consciously chose NOT to do a new set or a return elsewhere instead. That means even though wotc COULD make a decent Kamigawa 2, why do that when there are a great many OTHER returns they could do instead that are far more beloved. The moment someone says "lets do kamigawa 2" they have to convince everyone else not to go back to Ravnica, theros, Tarkir,Kaladesh, dominaria alara, any highly demanded new world etc. instead
Its an 8 on the rabiah scale becasue its behind like every other plane in the "return line" except for like Ulgoth.
Its like wanting an mcu clone saga movie, sure SOME people liked it, but why handicap yourself when you could be working with material overwhelmingly loved instead of overwhelmingly hated .
Nice, I haven't been following Maro's blog lately, but this goes a long way toward arguing why Ravnica is MUCH MUCH more likely to be a return set than Theros. Here's the link if anyone is interested in the Rabiah scale:
I do find it interesting that lorwyn/shadowmoor and kamigawa are somewhat inverted in their positions considering this scale for what his readership wants to see:
I know he always says that his readers are just more enfranchised than the general public of MTG players, and that all of their polling indicate that people don't actually want to return to Kamigawa or Lorwyn/Shadowmoor, but I can't help but wonder if their polling is just off. I mean, I know polling is an exact science and a poll has never predicted results of things wrongly in the past couple decades or so, but still.
It's also a horrible name. Hope this is fake just for that. Atlazan is pretty ******* awkward too.
It is just as bad, and yet just as feasible, as Oath of the Gatewatch and Hour of Devistation.
Oath of the gatewatch is a phrase that makes sense in english. So is hour of devastation. Conquest of power does not. Are we supposed to read it as power is the object of the conquest? You're conquering power? That makes no sense. Is it that power is being used for the conquest? It's a conquest through power? It's just a bad phrase.
Conquest of Power makes total sense by the way. For an appropriate example, take the Spanish conquest of the aztec. Now say the aztec returned the favor to the new governing power, it would beeeeeee......? A conquest of power. Ta da. Hell there's even a book titled The Conquest of Power.
IF this is real, and IF we assume a vraska appearance would set up Ravnica 3.0, that seems very off. Why would Theros not be revisited beforehand when we've set that return up more than any other world? Why would we return to Ravnica before Koth and Phyrexian conflict is resolved. I'm not sure if this is real or not, but 3 new sets in a row and Vraska and Ajani both showing up again seems oddly timed.
Again, no idea if this is even real, but timing would seem odd.
Because sadly for whatever reason, Ravnica is "popular" and we are doomed into having to keep enduring it. The place doesn't even have anything interesting going for it, IMO. Woo, guilds. I suppose Niv discovering planes walkers could be a thing, and there's Ral. IDK. But I suspect a third return there would happen before a second return anywhere else, even before a popular and loved plane like Theros. Sadly.
I don't usually post much, but this has been something that has really troubled me for a long time. Maro says that the public doesn't want to see a return to Loywyn or Kamigawa, yet from what I've seen it seems like everyone would be quite interested in seeing those sets again.
Imo I kinda hated BFZ and SOI for the simple reason that the original sets were so good, that there was no way a return could do them justice. Compare that with the return to Scars and RTR, where the return seemed awesome and fresh when they combined the old world with modern card design. For that reason, we really should see a return to Kamigawa far before a return to a set like Theros.
Ravnica is the most popular and beloved plane in mtg history, rivaled only by Innistrad. Wotc would be brain damaged to not return to it. Besides its not like it would be overdone; assuming Atlazan for Fall 2017, Rav3 would be Spring 2018, thats a five and a half year gap at minimum.
Although your theros question brings up a point I an maro repeat every time someone demands a Return to kamigawa. Every time wotc does a return set they have to consciously chose NOT to do a new set or a return elsewhere instead. That means even though wotc COULD make a decent Kamigawa 2, why do that when there are a great many OTHER returns they could do instead that are far more beloved. The moment someone says "lets do kamigawa 2" they have to convince everyone else not to go back to Ravnica, theros, Tarkir,Kaladesh, dominaria alara, any highly demanded new world etc. instead
Its an 8 on the rabiah scale becasue its behind like every other plane in the "return line" except for like Ulgoth.
Its like wanting an mcu clone saga movie, sure SOME people liked it, but why handicap yourself when you could be working with material overwhelmingly loved instead of overwhelmingly hated .
Nice, I haven't been following Maro's blog lately, but this goes a long way toward arguing why Ravnica is MUCH MUCH more likely to be a return set than Theros. Here's the link if anyone is interested in the Rabiah scale:
I do find it interesting that lorwyn/shadowmoor and kamigawa are somewhat inverted in their positions considering this scale for what his readership wants to see:
I know he always says that his readers are just more enfranchised than the general public of MTG players, and that all of their polling indicate that people don't actually want to return to Kamigawa or Lorwyn/Shadowmoor, but I can't help but wonder if their polling is just off. I mean, I know polling is an exact science and a poll has never predicted results of things wrongly in the past couple decades or so, but still.
I don't usually post much, but this has been something that has really troubled me for a long time. Maro says that the public doesn't want to see a return to Loywyn or Kamigawa, yet from what I've seen it seems like everyone would be quite interested in seeing those sets again.
Imo I kinda hated BFZ and SOI for the simple reason that the original sets were so good, that there was no way a return could do them justice. Compare that with the return to Scars and RTR, where the return seemed awesome and fresh when they combined the old world with modern card design. For that reason, we really should see a return to Kamigawa far before a return to a set like Theros.
Looks like all brand new art. No way they would have gone through that much trouble just for a survey. Art is expensive.
No, art is not expensive for what WotC pays for it sure they pay better than almost every other fantasy game with art, but the most they pay for a single piece of art is 2 grand and that's a handful of pieces per set for planeswalkers. Most cost under $1K apiece for them. People usually pay more on the secondary market for original magic artwork than WotC pays to have said art created as a reference. WotC pays for art that never appears on cards as well/no, it isn't busting their wallet to commission art.
Seem legit enough to me, but we'll see. Don't particularly care about a block that is several releases away when we haven't even seen all the cards in amonkhet block.
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I don't usually post much, but this has been something that has really troubled me for a long time. Maro says that the public doesn't want to see a return to Loywyn or Kamigawa, yet from what I've seen it seems like everyone would be quite interested in seeing those sets again.
Imo I kinda hated BFZ and SOI for the simple reason that the original sets were so good, that there was no way a return could do them justice. Compare that with the return to Scars and RTR, where the return seemed awesome and fresh when they combined the old world with modern card design. For that reason, we really should see a return to Kamigawa far before a return to a set like Theros.
Except for the part were the new Ravnica sucks and completely ruined the plane.
Also when Maro says people don't want a return to Kamigawa he means that Kamigawa didn't sell that well and therefore it is unlikely they will revisit the palne again. Ravnica or Innistrad 3.0 is more likely.
... Every time wotc does a return set they have to consciously chose NOT to do a new set or a return elsewhere instead. That means even though wotc COULD make a decent Kamigawa 2, why do that when there are a great many OTHER returns they could do instead that are far more beloved. The moment someone says "lets do kamigawa 2" they have to convince everyone else not to go back to Ravnica, theros, Tarkir,Kaladesh, dominaria alara, any highly demanded new world etc. instead
Its an 8 on the rabiah scale because its behind like every other plane in the "return line" except for like Ulgoth.
Its like wanting an mcu clone saga movie, sure SOME people liked it, but why handicap yourself when you could be working with material overwhelmingly loved instead of overwhelmingly hated .
Nice, I haven't been following Maro's blog lately, but this goes a long way toward arguing why Ravnica is MUCH MUCH more likely to be a return set than Theros. Here's the link if anyone is interested in the Rabiah scale:
I do find it interesting that lorwyn/shadowmoor and kamigawa are somewhat inverted in their positions considering this scale for what his readership wants to see:
I know he always says that his readers are just more enfranchised than the general public of MTG players, and that all of their polling indicate that people don't actually want to return to Kamigawa or Lorwyn/Shadowmoor, but I can't help but wonder if their polling is just off. I mean, I know polling is an exact science and a poll has never predicted results of things wrongly in the past couple decades or so, but still.
Looking at that scale, the poll and the new Set/Block system, it almost feels like we are replacing core sets with core planes and I would be tempted to argue to MaRo to treat core planes differently than other returns if, even after already receiving returns, Ravnica, Zendikar and Innistrad are still the top 3 most likely picks for a new return. If we keep treating other returns as the same thing, you're right, they have a huge uphill battle to topple the core returning planes and may never be seen again.
I don't usually post much, but this has been something that has really troubled me for a long time. Maro says that the public doesn't want to see a return to Loywyn or Kamigawa, yet from what I've seen it seems like everyone would be quite interested in seeing those sets again.
Imo I kinda hated BFZ and SOI for the simple reason that the original sets were so good, that there was no way a return could do them justice. Compare that with the return to Scars and RTR, where the return seemed awesome and fresh when they combined the old world with modern card design. For that reason, we really should see a return to Kamigawa far before a return to a set like Theros.
It's obvious the public actually wants to return to Kamigawa and Lowryn. MTG has grown and changed. Commander and other casual, kitchen table play have their influences too, more so now than ever before. Those metrics are all old and far too outdated and hardly objective. Repeat them and see. Kamigawa's quality story and how well the cards correlated with the novels warrant that from Vorthos at least. Let alone the casuals and ex-YGO players who cherished the high points of Kamigawa as Japan World. In the moment Kamigawa was an underpowered block following designs that were so broken, they almost killed Magic as a game. Not to mention there was no EDH/Commander and it was judged largely on its impact on a broken standard format, which not unreasonably was minimal. Basically Jitte was the card which stood a chance, which said more about the meta then, than it does about Kamigawa. It's appreciated for far more nowadays. Look at cards like Azami, Mikokoro, Minamo, the ninjas, etc. for example. The contrast was excessive and did not play into Kamigawa's favor as being a dialed back setting. Theros was dialed back as well, presumably for the same reasons Kamigawa was - the power creep could be toned down and the flavor would sell the setting. The issue with Kamigawa is that the Shinto aspect took priority over the Japan World aspect - the same flaw which ruined one of the most popular settings in Magic, ironically - Zendikar. The Eldrazi were given priority over Adventure World and BFZ suffered for it. The abstract Kami art, like Eldrazi, ate up room that should have gone to more Soratami, Ninjas, Samurai, and Japanese tropes. Theros capitalized on these lessons and delivered an underpowered set full of flavor which was very well received. Kamigawa sadly followed up a broken block and divided its focus between Shtino and Japan World. Where it was Japan World, Kamigawa shined and is beloved for this reason. It holds promise for this reason as well. You don't see Maro disposing Zendikar for BFZ's poor metrics, do you? No. He realizes focusing on Eldrazi compromised an otherwise valuable setting. Kamigawa's geography, unique races and concept as Japan World leaves a lot of rich material to salvage while doing things right. The Kami War is over. Kamigawa can easily serve as Japan World now, as well as a return. It does' need to be either-or.
Why wouldn't we return to Theros first? A second return to Theros is reasonable. A return to Kamigawa at some point in the near future - either before or after Theros is reasonable too and it's irrelevant when. What bothers me is the prospect of returning to freaking Ravnica a SECOND time before we've returned to Theros or Kamigawa at all. As if there's anything to see there. But I will say RTR is a return done right, regardless of my personal feelings toward Ravnica. Objectively speaking, it was good - was true to the original block but delivered modern twists and intriguing updates to the setting. BFZ is an example of a popular return done wrong. All this focus on all the wrong aspects and very little of what was originally admired. Then we have SOI which was fairly respectable, but altered the setting far too much. Granted it went from Gothic to Cosmic Horror, so it's an acceptable compromise. BFZ on the other hand had nothing redeeming about it at all. The difference is, Maro identified the faults appropriately with BFZ and correctly attributed them to flavor focus and card design, and did not falsely blame Zendikar as a setting for that (which has a good reputation otherwise) like he does with Kamigawa.
Think about it. Why can't Kamigawa's geography serve as Japan World now that millennia have passed? What about Kamigawa's physical structure is so horrible to use? It has its strong points to be capitalized on. It CAN serve as the scaffold for a Japan World. Tamiyo's popularity warrants it.
Atlazan is disappointingly similar to Olantin. But I guess from that we can take away that it's not going to be directly Theros-related.
I noticed that too. Feels awkward. Especially since Thrasios and Arixmethes suggests we're likely to see two Atlantis tropes when returning to Theros. As well we should. IDK, I'd rather see it there than in its own block. That seems awkward. But we don't now yet what Atlazan will be, so I'll reserve judgment.
I hope we get a Lord of Olantin when we return to Theros tbh. Have it do the same thing as Master of the Pearl Trident and Lord of Atlantis. I'd love a reprint of the latter as a Theros Masterpiece too.
Atlazan is disappointingly similar to Olantin. But I guess from that we can take away that it's not going to be directly Theros-related.
I noticed that too. Feels awkward. Especially since Thrasios and Arixmethes suggests we're likely to see two Atlantis tropes when returning to Theros. As well we should. IDK, I'd rather see it there than in its own block. That seems awkward. But we don't now yet what Atlazan will be, so I'll reserve judgment.
I hope we get a Lord of Olantin when we return to Theros tbh. Have it do the same thing as Master of the Pearl Trident and Lord of Atlantis. I'd love a reprint of the latter as a Theros Masterpiece too.
Looking at the packaging, I'm pretty sure that Atlazan is the Mesoamerican world primarily and secondarily the underwater/Atlantis world if at all. The Mesoamerican theme is clear from the background of the packaging and the clothing of the woman on the left booster pack for "Conquest of Power" (I agree with everyone saying that it's a horrible name). The Atlantis theme is based on just the similar name and there being a merfolk on the left Atlazan pack (Zendikar has merfolk, it's not based on Atlantis). And we don't even know if this is a real set, or the real set could be very different from what we've seen so far. So I think that there still is a good chance of seeing Atlantian themes in Return to Theros.
I don't play modern but I'm not so sure that a third version of that card is a good idea. A masterpiece is definitely on the table as long as they don't go with a theme like enchantments only or gods and god-related cards only.
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It's also a horrible name. Hope this is fake just for that. Atlazan is pretty ******* awkward too.
Thank you so, so much. It sounds like a horrible TV serial. Let's hope this isn't their real name for this set and just a mockup.
The others look pretty sweet though, can't wait to see where they go with them.
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It's also a horrible name. Hope this is fake just for that. Atlazan is pretty ******* awkward too.
Yeah, sure, because it hás nothing to do with the story of the block, right?...
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Maybe we Will see a trial/conquest for power in this colection, like Vraska goes to this secret plane looking for power that would be given as a prize in a really hard tournament.
U know, go Back for the basics of Arena, and do Dragon's Maze right??
People forget Kamigawa failed on almost every metric, sure limited was kind of fun but it was underpowered, the gameplay didnt capture the flavor, the mechanics were poorly designed for the format, it had nezt to zero standard impact. Its literal only saving grace was its flavor which ironically still became a minus becasue its flavor was super obscure.
Like if they did return to kamigawa they would have to change almost everything becasue almost everything in it rightfully sucked. And if the only thing Kamigawa 2 would keep is top down japan, then why not make a new japan set instead of Kamigawa on name only?
What could you even put into kamigawa 2? Splice onto arcane was parasitic bull, Bushido had no samurai flavor (they like fighting? so do most of our creatures, they FIGHT) the shinto tribal races were all too obscure,a legends matters theme is impossoble to execute properly, the war between the factions wasn't reflected in gameplay, there was a pointless hand size matters theme it gave us two cancerous artifacts....
Basically Ninjas and Epic Spells are the only mechanics that are even in the running for a return and the top down flavor the very CORE of the concept would have to be gutted to just "japan".
What is the point of a return when only 10% would actually get returned to and the rest would be new.
Just make a new japan plane like how Innistrad replaced Ulgotha as the gothic horror plane
I don't know, Spirit/Arcane matters as a concept is deep enough to revisit, as is Ninjutsu. The problem wasn't in all of the mechanics as individuals, but that they didn't play well with each other. Furthermore, Kamigawa was one of the first HUGE attempts by WotC to do what they are doing know with Cards and the Story, and it did it fairly amiably(although without the marketing/writing team they have now doing Magic Story which would've helped tremendously) Lastly, I think as long as they keep the "Spirit Realm Feudal Japan" theme going with the tribes in tact(Nezumi, Ogre, Akki, Moonfolk, Monk) etc, it could do very well in a modern printing/rebranding.
Getting back on topic. This still smells very much of "Oh crap we screwed up COVER COVER!" to me.
It's also a horrible name. Hope this is fake just for that. Atlazan is pretty ******* awkward too.
Yeah, sure, because it hás nothing to do with the story of the block, right?...
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U know, go Back for the basics of Arena, and do Dragon's Maze right??
Asmallcat isn't saying the name doesn't fit storywise; he's saying it's awkward English. A conquest, by definition, involves power in some capacity. It's like saying "a round circle". What other kind is there?
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I stopped following Maro's blog as it gave me itches, so I didn't know about that new scale. He should at least know that Serra's Realm and Rath don't exist anymore, shouldn't he? eel, I suppose he doesn't really care.
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Notice how atlazan has fish people and conquest of power has surface men. Given the history of mesoamerica I think the idea is Atlatean aztecs that get invaded by the surface conquistadors in set 2.
Nice, I haven't been following Maro's blog lately, but this goes a long way toward arguing why Ravnica is MUCH MUCH more likely to be a return set than Theros. Here's the link if anyone is interested in the Rabiah scale:
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/153826844168/the-rabiah-scale
I do find it interesting that lorwyn/shadowmoor and kamigawa are somewhat inverted in their positions considering this scale for what his readership wants to see:
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/129722989913/results-from-return-poll
I know he always says that his readers are just more enfranchised than the general public of MTG players, and that all of their polling indicate that people don't actually want to return to Kamigawa or Lorwyn/Shadowmoor, but I can't help but wonder if their polling is just off. I mean, I know polling is an exact science and a poll has never predicted results of things wrongly in the past couple decades or so, but still.
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Oath of the gatewatch is a phrase that makes sense in english. So is hour of devastation. Conquest of power does not. Are we supposed to read it as power is the object of the conquest? You're conquering power? That makes no sense. Is it that power is being used for the conquest? It's a conquest through power? It's just a bad phrase.
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Conquest of Power makes total sense by the way. For an appropriate example, take the Spanish conquest of the aztec. Now say the aztec returned the favor to the new governing power, it would beeeeeee......? A conquest of power. Ta da. Hell there's even a book titled The Conquest of Power.
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I don't usually post much, but this has been something that has really troubled me for a long time. Maro says that the public doesn't want to see a return to Loywyn or Kamigawa, yet from what I've seen it seems like everyone would be quite interested in seeing those sets again.
Imo I kinda hated BFZ and SOI for the simple reason that the original sets were so good, that there was no way a return could do them justice. Compare that with the return to Scars and RTR, where the return seemed awesome and fresh when they combined the old world with modern card design. For that reason, we really should see a return to Kamigawa far before a return to a set like Theros.
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Seem legit enough to me, but we'll see. Don't particularly care about a block that is several releases away when we haven't even seen all the cards in amonkhet block.
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Except for the part were the new Ravnica sucks and completely ruined the plane.
Also when Maro says people don't want a return to Kamigawa he means that Kamigawa didn't sell that well and therefore it is unlikely they will revisit the palne again. Ravnica or Innistrad 3.0 is more likely.
Looking at that scale, the poll and the new Set/Block system, it almost feels like we are replacing core sets with core planes and I would be tempted to argue to MaRo to treat core planes differently than other returns if, even after already receiving returns, Ravnica, Zendikar and Innistrad are still the top 3 most likely picks for a new return. If we keep treating other returns as the same thing, you're right, they have a huge uphill battle to topple the core returning planes and may never be seen again.
Why wouldn't we return to Theros first? A second return to Theros is reasonable. A return to Kamigawa at some point in the near future - either before or after Theros is reasonable too and it's irrelevant when. What bothers me is the prospect of returning to freaking Ravnica a SECOND time before we've returned to Theros or Kamigawa at all. As if there's anything to see there. But I will say RTR is a return done right, regardless of my personal feelings toward Ravnica. Objectively speaking, it was good - was true to the original block but delivered modern twists and intriguing updates to the setting. BFZ is an example of a popular return done wrong. All this focus on all the wrong aspects and very little of what was originally admired. Then we have SOI which was fairly respectable, but altered the setting far too much. Granted it went from Gothic to Cosmic Horror, so it's an acceptable compromise. BFZ on the other hand had nothing redeeming about it at all. The difference is, Maro identified the faults appropriately with BFZ and correctly attributed them to flavor focus and card design, and did not falsely blame Zendikar as a setting for that (which has a good reputation otherwise) like he does with Kamigawa.
Think about it. Why can't Kamigawa's geography serve as Japan World now that millennia have passed? What about Kamigawa's physical structure is so horrible to use? It has its strong points to be capitalized on. It CAN serve as the scaffold for a Japan World. Tamiyo's popularity warrants it.
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Looking at the packaging, I'm pretty sure that Atlazan is the Mesoamerican world primarily and secondarily the underwater/Atlantis world if at all. The Mesoamerican theme is clear from the background of the packaging and the clothing of the woman on the left booster pack for "Conquest of Power" (I agree with everyone saying that it's a horrible name). The Atlantis theme is based on just the similar name and there being a merfolk on the left Atlazan pack (Zendikar has merfolk, it's not based on Atlantis). And we don't even know if this is a real set, or the real set could be very different from what we've seen so far. So I think that there still is a good chance of seeing Atlantian themes in Return to Theros.
I don't play modern but I'm not so sure that a third version of that card is a good idea. A masterpiece is definitely on the table as long as they don't go with a theme like enchantments only or gods and god-related cards only.
And for everyone talking about how "most people" want a return to Lorwyn and/or Kamigawa, please try to keep in mind that the majority of players play only kitchen table magic; those who play other formats are the minority and those talk about magic on the internet are a minority of that minority. MTG Salvation and Blogatog do not represent the general population, as much we may wish that they did. If everyone hated the Gatewatch as much as most MTG Salvation users, WOTC might at least consider not using them anymore.
For starters, people seem to have a lot of trouble spelling "Devastation" properly
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Thank you so, so much. It sounds like a horrible TV serial. Let's hope this isn't their real name for this set and just a mockup.
The others look pretty sweet though, can't wait to see where they go with them.
Currently focusing on Pre-Modern (Mono-Black Discard Control) and Modern (Azorious Control, Temur Rhinos).
Find me at the Wizard's Tower in Ottawa every second Saturday afternoons.
Oh man you´re right! Wizards need to change the name!
We'll never know what's on the other side of the Dwarven Gate, will we?
On an off note, it's a bit insane how far off topic these threads get... pretty much makes large portions of a topic unreadable.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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Maybe we Will see a trial/conquest for power in this colection, like Vraska goes to this secret plane looking for power that would be given as a prize in a really hard tournament.
U know, go Back for the basics of Arena, and do Dragon's Maze right??
Like if they did return to kamigawa they would have to change almost everything becasue almost everything in it rightfully sucked. And if the only thing Kamigawa 2 would keep is top down japan, then why not make a new japan set instead of Kamigawa on name only?
What could you even put into kamigawa 2? Splice onto arcane was parasitic bull, Bushido had no samurai flavor (they like fighting? so do most of our creatures, they FIGHT) the shinto tribal races were all too obscure,a legends matters theme is impossoble to execute properly, the war between the factions wasn't reflected in gameplay, there was a pointless hand size matters theme it gave us two cancerous artifacts....
Basically Ninjas and Epic Spells are the only mechanics that are even in the running for a return and the top down flavor the very CORE of the concept would have to be gutted to just "japan".
What is the point of a return when only 10% would actually get returned to and the rest would be new.
Just make a new japan plane like how Innistrad replaced Ulgotha as the gothic horror plane
Getting back on topic. This still smells very much of "Oh crap we screwed up COVER COVER!" to me.
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I stopped following Maro's blog as it gave me itches, so I didn't know about that new scale. He should at least know that Serra's Realm and Rath don't exist anymore, shouldn't he? eel, I suppose he doesn't really care.