The one downside is that it dies to Phage the Untouchable. And by "it dies," I mean "its owner dies." Not being a "may" ability can be unfortunate. But that's circumvented easily enough if you have a sac outlet, and this is a pretty sweet card outside of those corner cases.
I'm actually a little confused that this is rare - not in terms of complexity, but just because it seems like a great fit in both the artifact deck and the chaos deck, and new cards printed at rare only show up in one deck. (Even in the group hug deck, it's a handy bit of asymmetry to reap the rewards from helping other people advance their board states.)
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Am I missing something? This seems incredibly broken for only four mana.
Your opponent plays an Ashen Rider, and you get a free Ashen Rider trigger. You also can keep the token to block with, at least until an opponent plays a different creature. Your opponent plays a Void Winnower, and you get to mirror the effect against them. Your opponent plays a Farhaven Elf, you get a free Rampant Growth in blue.
This seems like a card that basically every blue deck has the play (similar to Cyclonic Rift).
Huh, fun. I like it. Better than torpor orb, generally, since I'd rather me and a single opponent were benefitting than no one is. Plus people are less likely to want to stab you in the jugular for nerfing their entire deck.
Am I missing something? This seems incredibly broken for only four mana.
Your opponent plays an Ashen Rider, and you get a free Ashen Rider trigger. You also can keep the token to block with, at least until an opponent plays a different creature. Your opponent plays a Void Winnower, and you get to mirror the effect against them. Your opponent plays a Farhaven Elf, you get a free Rampant Growth in blue.
This seems like a card that basically every blue deck has the play (similar to Cyclonic Rift).
Is this a joke?
You don't get Void Winnower's effect because it's on cast. Also, the ability balances out because your opponents control what you are cloning. You may have a Baneslayer Angel one turn and a semi-useless creature the next turn.
I'll admit it's really hard to think of something that's going to be completely useless in Commander especially since you can use it to chump block and then it recreates itself. I'm personally putting it in my flicker deck to exploit by flickering their creatures.
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Am I missing something? This seems incredibly broken for only four mana.
Your opponent plays an Ashen Rider, and you get a free Ashen Rider trigger. You also can keep the token to block with, at least until an opponent plays a different creature. Your opponent plays a Void Winnower, and you get to mirror the effect against them. Your opponent plays a Farhaven Elf, you get a free Rampant Growth in blue.
This seems like a card that basically every blue deck has the play (similar to Cyclonic Rift).
Is this a joke?
You don't get Void Winnower's effect because it's on cast. Also, the ability balances out because your opponents control what you are cloning. You may have a Baneslayer Angel one turn and a semi-useless creature the next turn.
I'll admit it's really hard to think of something that's going to be completely useless in Commander especially since you can use it to chump block and then it recreates itself. I'm personally putting it in my flicker deck to exploit by flickering their creatures.
Void Winnower is static, it doesn't have a cast trigger. They were referring to making your opponent not being able to even.
Anyway, fascinating little dude here. It's like Ophiomancer pushed to the extreme. And like ophiomancer it'll excel with a sac outlet. (Hello, Breya!)
For people asking why the partner generals don't have abilities this interesting/intricate; it's because they need to be simple for three reasons:
1) The effects are simple so they plug and play better with eachother. If you get too fancy with the effects you narrow the card too much and it combines well with less other partners. Simple is much more modular.
2) Wizards has been conservative with the partners, with good reason. They new people would be skeptical of power level and needed to preempt that by toning the effects down.
3) Partner alone adds enough complexity to the card as a commander that a complex effect on top of that makes it harder to keep track of. Other players at the table needing to bear in mind two complicated commanders at your disposal is a lot more, but if it's two straightforward effects it's much easier to internalize.
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Check out the thread for my cube if you have the time, and tell me how terrible it is.
Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
And here is the actual cube, meant to be drafted in 4 regular sized packs. (60 card decks)
This card is so powerful in any creature dominant meta as long as it is protected. For that Meren player that keeps reanimating Sakura-Tribal Elder, suddenly the blue player gets to Rampant Growth every time you do it. If the Meren player tries to bring back Merciless Executioner, a token is created and suddenly the Meren player has to Barter and Blood.
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When they get enter the battlefield effects you get it too.
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I'm actually a little confused that this is rare - not in terms of complexity, but just because it seems like a great fit in both the artifact deck and the chaos deck, and new cards printed at rare only show up in one deck. (Even in the group hug deck, it's a handy bit of asymmetry to reap the rewards from helping other people advance their board states.)
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Your opponent plays an Ashen Rider, and you get a free Ashen Rider trigger. You also can keep the token to block with, at least until an opponent plays a different creature. Your opponent plays a Void Winnower, and you get to mirror the effect against them. Your opponent plays a Farhaven Elf, you get a free Rampant Growth in blue.
This seems like a card that basically every blue deck has the play (similar to Cyclonic Rift).
Is this a joke?
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GRhonas the IndomitableG - Indomitable Four Drops
WUBOloro, Ageless AsceticWUB - Loot & Renanimate
I don't get it either. The legend partners are boring compared to a creature with a really interesting effect like this.
|| UW Jace, Vyn's Prodigy UW || UG Kenessos, Priest of Thassa (feat. Arixmethes) UG ||
Cards I still want to see created:
|| Olantin, Lost City || Pavios and Thanasis || Choryu ||
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Phelddagrif - Zirilan
EDH
Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif 4 - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif 3 - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
You don't get Void Winnower's effect because it's on cast. Also, the ability balances out because your opponents control what you are cloning. You may have a Baneslayer Angel one turn and a semi-useless creature the next turn.
I'll admit it's really hard to think of something that's going to be completely useless in Commander especially since you can use it to chump block and then it recreates itself. I'm personally putting it in my flicker deck to exploit by flickering their creatures.
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Void Winnower is static, it doesn't have a cast trigger. They were referring to making your opponent not being able to even.
Anyway, fascinating little dude here. It's like Ophiomancer pushed to the extreme. And like ophiomancer it'll excel with a sac outlet. (Hello, Breya!)
For people asking why the partner generals don't have abilities this interesting/intricate; it's because they need to be simple for three reasons:
1) The effects are simple so they plug and play better with eachother. If you get too fancy with the effects you narrow the card too much and it combines well with less other partners. Simple is much more modular.
2) Wizards has been conservative with the partners, with good reason. They new people would be skeptical of power level and needed to preempt that by toning the effects down.
3) Partner alone adds enough complexity to the card as a commander that a complex effect on top of that makes it harder to keep track of. Other players at the table needing to bear in mind two complicated commanders at your disposal is a lot more, but if it's two straightforward effects it's much easier to internalize.
Generals meant to be drafted first in a single pack of 6 cards.
And here is the actual cube, meant to be drafted in 4 regular sized packs. (60 card decks)
at the very least, it forces your opponent into playing their best stuff before weaker stuff, so you end up with a weaker token... lol.
anyway, a 2/2 flying body + a random and often powerful token for just 4 mana is a pretty good deal.
if you use this card in a deck with Flickerwisp or similar cards, you'll be able to copy whatever you want.
UBRKess, Dissident MageUBR - Controlling Dissidents
GRhonas the IndomitableG - Indomitable Four Drops
WUBOloro, Ageless AsceticWUB - Loot & Renanimate