Other than the self-platitudes of having a sustainable printing service, I guess they are saying now that it's possible someone could mix in Japanese cards into their deck and potentially find a way to exploit that for deck manipulation/knowledge.
While we believe most Magic players may not notice these differences, if players are found to be intentionally exploiting these differences for advantage during a tournament, such players may be subject to tournament penalties based on the discretion of the tournament judge.
I guess you might want to be a touch more skeptical is your opp seems to have a splash of KLD Japanese cards in his/her deck.
"additional stiffness"? Does that mean they'll fold under the annoying bend test?
Interesting they don't really go into much detail. Just enough to say... "don't try to cheat".
How much thicker and stiffer they are compared to standard and foils? Foils are heavier so would this paper + foil be heavier still?
What about the foil cards? I'm not sure if the laminating process precludes recycling these days. Back in 1995, I spent time with the engineer that invented the laminating process and he took a strange pride in the fact that that material was extremely difficult to recycle. To put it in perspective, think of the volume of composite laminated juice boxes that had be burned or tossed in landfills over the years. I haven't kept up with the science since so I hope things have changed.
Would these changes help with spotting fake cards? The article seemed to imply that the paper stock is specifically used for playing cards albeit any playing cards ergo, we'll see the same paper used on Pokemon and others. Therefor it seems the answer would be no.
If you read the article it says that the paper is made by a Japanese company specifically for playing cards. Given the relatively niche market I'd venture to guess the company that makes it probably doesn't make quite enough to satisfy Wizards' needs on a worldwide scale. Perhaps if this works out well for them they'll make a deal with the company to make enough of that paper to do so.
If you read the article it says that the paper is made by a Japanese company specifically for playing cards. Given the relatively niche market I'd venture to guess the company that makes it probably doesn't make quite enough to satisfy Wizards' needs on a worldwide scale. Perhaps if this works out well for them they'll make a deal with the company to make enough of that paper to do so.
I did, I mentioned doing so in one the earlier questions.
The point of the question is that I feel it's a little weird to be introducing new paper stock in Japan, boast about the 100% recyclability, then tell the rest of us not to attempt cheating with the thicker card stock. It also doesn't go towards much of an answer for my other questions.
I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
First their cars became better than the American built cars, now their playing cards are better. Somebody needs to make American magic cards great again. LOL. But seriously, I do wonder how much of a difference this will make. I'm hopeful that in a sleeve the difference won't be noticeable. With a little luck, the "don't try to exploit this to cheat" comment was just an attempt to cover their butts. Maybe if you are drafting without sleeves this will be detectable, but at least in my experience, I've never noticed a difference between my regular and foil cards when sleeved up for an event.
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RIP Batman guy. I hope somebody picks up the slack now that you are gone. Sick children need their Batman.
Anyhoo, I figure they mean people will use japanese basics without sleeving. So as to always know their next land draw. But the number of people who don't sleeve outside of draft is, nutty. I don't see this as an issue.
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Anyhoo, I figure they mean people will use japanese basics without sleeving. So as to always know their next land draw. But the number of people who don't sleeve outside of draft is, nutty. I don't see this as an issue.
Neither. Maybe you don't agree that their cars are better, but with the exception of the big trucks like the F150, their economy cars are almost always better. But as far as the cards go, I doubt there will be an issue either. We will find out as soon as we get the cards in hand.
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RIP Batman guy. I hope somebody picks up the slack now that you are gone. Sick children need their Batman.
First their cars became better than the American built cars, now their playing cards are better. Somebody needs to make American magic cards great again. LOL. But seriously, I do wonder how much of a difference this will make. I'm hopeful that in a sleeve the difference won't be noticeable. With a little luck, the "don't try to exploit this to cheat" comment was just an attempt to cover their butts. Maybe if you are drafting without sleeves this will be detectable, but at least in my experience, I've never noticed a difference between my regular and foil cards when sleeved up for an event.
You can. Especially if you take advantage of the inner sleeves. In the past, I used CDH (sp?), BCW and Ultra-Pro inners but Ultra-Pro outers.I noticed that I can generally tell which cards are sleeved in BCW and UP inners, especially with the foils. UP tends to over cut their inners but under cut the outers. They feel slightly thinner and the inners might poke out a smidgen. The BCW tend to bow the cards slightly when its undercut which makes the card feel thicker inside the sleeves. Since some foils want to curve, they're happy to do so.
This happens with fresh sleeved cards. It's not quite so obvious if I pack them tight in a box for a week or so.
I try to sleeve everything in the same brand, but that isn't always possible, especially at games and such. That's how I noticed it when i bought new cards but ran out of sleeves. I uad to buy what was available from the vendors.
Edit: Sorry, someone just told me that it reads like a howto on cheating. I wrote it as a means to avoid cheating. I'll change it if it skirts the rules too much.
Quite wrong. MM15 packs were bad because the cards moved too much, leading to damaged cards, and they could be resealed easily. Making pulling the good foils and rares all too much of a concern.
Recyclable commons is good for the game. It reduces landfill waste, and means perceived value of those cards will go up in time as their quantity in the wild goes down. It also helps players from having too much bulk taking up space. I only need a playset of a single card. Opening two or three boxes will grant me way too many commons, heck even doing 6 prereleases usually gives me my entire common playsets. Instead of frettign about getting less than a penny for them as bulk, we can feel good to recycle them. Google searches for recycling magic cards are fairly high.
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I mean how much of difference is it really?? If someone is cunning enough to discern a small difference in the middle of a game than let them have there little advantage. There's probably like one person out there crafty enough .
I mean how much of difference is it really?? If someone is cunning enough to discern a small difference in the middle of a game than let them have there little advantage. There's probably like one person out there crafty enough .
If there is a way to notice the difference then you're effectively playing with a marked deck. Playing with marked cards has always been against the tournament rules.
I always thought the Japanese cards felt a little thinner, a little more 'lightweight' than English cards ... I wonder if this will just bring them up to the English standard ...
This is not really an issue. We all ready have the same "problem" with old bordered foils. You can easily tell when you shuffle or draw them compared to non-foil cardstock. Most people don't use this to cheat, but there are always the few to keep vigilant about, or you know, just shuffle the opponents deck everytime it's presented.
Uncool, really uncool. Cards made with different stock have been a no-no since day 1, for good reason. This is potentially disastrous, and had better not set precedent for future printings. I hope they make this a one-of mistake.
Uncool, really uncool. Cards made with different stock have been a no-no since day 1, for good reason. This is potentially disastrous, and had better not set precedent for future printings. I hope they make this a one-of mistake.
I'm hoping this is the beginning of them rolling out recyclable cards to all of their printers around the world.
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Other than the self-platitudes of having a sustainable printing service, I guess they are saying now that it's possible someone could mix in Japanese cards into their deck and potentially find a way to exploit that for deck manipulation/knowledge.
I guess you might want to be a touch more skeptical is your opp seems to have a splash of KLD Japanese cards in his/her deck.
Interesting they don't really go into much detail. Just enough to say... "don't try to cheat".
How much thicker and stiffer they are compared to standard and foils? Foils are heavier so would this paper + foil be heavier still?
What about the foil cards? I'm not sure if the laminating process precludes recycling these days. Back in 1995, I spent time with the engineer that invented the laminating process and he took a strange pride in the fact that that material was extremely difficult to recycle. To put it in perspective, think of the volume of composite laminated juice boxes that had be burned or tossed in landfills over the years. I haven't kept up with the science since so I hope things have changed.
Would these changes help with spotting fake cards? The article seemed to imply that the paper stock is specifically used for playing cards albeit any playing cards ergo, we'll see the same paper used on Pokemon and others. Therefor it seems the answer would be no.
Why just Japan?
If you read the article it says that the paper is made by a Japanese company specifically for playing cards. Given the relatively niche market I'd venture to guess the company that makes it probably doesn't make quite enough to satisfy Wizards' needs on a worldwide scale. Perhaps if this works out well for them they'll make a deal with the company to make enough of that paper to do so.
It's just changing the paper the language is not changing.
And also this set including all in the future are going to be printed immensely more than all the previous sets that got rotated out.
I did, I mentioned doing so in one the earlier questions.
The point of the question is that I feel it's a little weird to be introducing new paper stock in Japan, boast about the 100% recyclability, then tell the rest of us not to attempt cheating with the thicker card stock. It also doesn't go towards much of an answer for my other questions.
How do you figure?
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RIP Batman guy. I hope somebody picks up the slack now that you are gone. Sick children need their Batman.
Anyhoo, I figure they mean people will use japanese basics without sleeving. So as to always know their next land draw. But the number of people who don't sleeve outside of draft is, nutty. I don't see this as an issue.
Selling some cards I don't want.
Generally less than tcg mid.
Neither. Maybe you don't agree that their cars are better, but with the exception of the big trucks like the F150, their economy cars are almost always better. But as far as the cards go, I doubt there will be an issue either. We will find out as soon as we get the cards in hand.
RIP Batman guy. I hope somebody picks up the slack now that you are gone. Sick children need their Batman.
You can. Especially if you take advantage of the inner sleeves. In the past, I used CDH (sp?), BCW and Ultra-Pro inners but Ultra-Pro outers.I noticed that I can generally tell which cards are sleeved in BCW and UP inners, especially with the foils. UP tends to over cut their inners but under cut the outers. They feel slightly thinner and the inners might poke out a smidgen. The BCW tend to bow the cards slightly when its undercut which makes the card feel thicker inside the sleeves. Since some foils want to curve, they're happy to do so.
This happens with fresh sleeved cards. It's not quite so obvious if I pack them tight in a box for a week or so.
I try to sleeve everything in the same brand, but that isn't always possible, especially at games and such. That's how I noticed it when i bought new cards but ran out of sleeves. I uad to buy what was available from the vendors.
Edit: Sorry, someone just told me that it reads like a howto on cheating. I wrote it as a means to avoid cheating. I'll change it if it skirts the rules too much.
Recyclable commons is good for the game. It reduces landfill waste, and means perceived value of those cards will go up in time as their quantity in the wild goes down. It also helps players from having too much bulk taking up space. I only need a playset of a single card. Opening two or three boxes will grant me way too many commons, heck even doing 6 prereleases usually gives me my entire common playsets. Instead of frettign about getting less than a penny for them as bulk, we can feel good to recycle them. Google searches for recycling magic cards are fairly high.
Selling some cards I don't want.
Generally less than tcg mid.
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If there is a way to notice the difference then you're effectively playing with a marked deck. Playing with marked cards has always been against the tournament rules.
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I'm hoping this is the beginning of them rolling out recyclable cards to all of their printers around the world.