I couldn't be happier to be right after two years of saying this would happen. Don't get me wrong though, it is incredibly dumb that it is mythic, but it isn't surprising.
At the very least this is the first disappointment with only 1/7th of the set spoiled, and hopefully we don't get many more of these disappointments come Thursday or Friday.
Exactly my thought. After the fetches there had to be a bummer right? Prepare for the possible incomming upgrade on Caverns.
I can't imagine Caverns at mythic, at least there is an argument for Snapcaster, as bad as that it. Cavern really isn't that strong unless tribal is heavily supported. Still enough it isn't like they haven't blundered other Masters sets with multiple "??!!" mythics.
Black: Grisselbradn, X
Red: Bonefire of the damned, X
Green: X, X
Blue: Snapcaster Mage, X
White: X, X
Multi coloured: Domri Rode, X
Colourless: X, X
Land: X
MM15 had 5 cokourless mythics, and no multicoloured, or land mythics.
Note, I still think they will unbann Jace the Mindsculptor on the 13th and keep it's reprint a secret.
Black: Grisselbradn, X
Red: Bonefire of the damned, X
Green: X, X
Blue: Snapcaster Mage, X
White: X, X
Multi coloured: Domri Rode, X
Colourless: X, X
Land: X
MM15 had 5 cokourless mythics, and no multicoloured, or land mythics.
Note, I still think they will unbann Jace the Mindsculptor on the 13th and keep it's reprint a secret.
I don't think that lands automatically have mythic slots, do they?
Congrats. Still doesnt answer what you DID base it on. Not that anyone's happy with you being right in this case aside from Snaphoarders.
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Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Sooo temporal mastery is the other blue mythic. Blue does not have enough cards in the modern cardpool so they threw in some legacy cards. Just joking, taking turns play temporal mastery. Nice to have a reprint even if it is limited.
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Black: Grisselbradn, X
Red: Bonefire of the damned, X
Green: X, X
Blue: Snapcaster Mage, X
White: X, X
Multi coloured: Domri Rode, X
Colourless: X, X
Land: X
MM15 had 5 cokourless mythics, and no multicoloured, or land mythics.
Note, I still think they will unbann Jace the Mindsculptor on the 13th and keep it's reprint a secret.
Congrats. Still doesnt answer what you DID base it on. Not that anyone's happy with you being right in this case aside from Snaphoarders.
That is a totally fair point. The only problem is, that your "rebuttal" committed the "continuation fallacy". That because something didn't do something recently, it cannot do it going forward.
The other part of the truth is, my "reasons" were not fully conscious to me. As such, I didn't have "good reasons", to be totally candid. And, yes, I let some snark fly and you probably don't deserve that.
I don't know what a "snap hoarder" is. But even if you have 1, I think you'll be happy it's mythic so the value you invested to have one isn't harmed.
Congrats. Still doesnt answer what you DID base it on. Not that anyone's happy with you being right in this case aside from Snaphoarders.
That is a totally fair point. The only problem is, that your "rebuttal" committed the "continuation fallacy". That because something didn't do something recently, it cannot do it going forward.
The other part of the truth is, my "reasons" were not fully conscious to me. As such, I didn't have "good reasons", to be totally candid. And, yes, I let some snark fly and you probably don't deserve that.
I don't know what a "snap hoarder" is. But even if you have 1, I think you'll be happy it's mythic so the value you invested to have one isn't harmed.
Likewise, my snark was a bit over the top as well. Bygones be bygones?
Fact is that for most people this isn't a good move. It's going to hurt people's expectations, it's not going to bring enough Snappys on the market to lower it's price keeping them too hard to obtain...so yeah. Not happy.
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My Commander decks:
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Black: Grisselbradn, X
Red: Bonefire of the damned, X
Green: X, X
Blue: Snapcaster Mage, X
White: X, X
Multi coloured: Domri Rode, X
Colourless: X, X
Land: X
MM15 had 5 cokourless mythics, and no multicoloured, or land mythics.
Note, I still think they will unbann Jace the Mindsculptor on the 13th and keep it's reprint a secret.
If there's is a mythic land it better not be cavern of souls
You feel mindsculpt Jace will get unbanned, how come?
Voice is a virtual certainty. Aside from the fact that it is on the very short list of cards from RTR block that actually need a reprint, Star City lowered their price a couple weeks ago despite being sold out.
Entreat the Angels and one of Avacyn/Archangel of Thune. Book it.
Archangel of Thune would be nuts man. I'd definitely be on board for that call. Mainly because I could use one for an EDH deck or something.
Also not to add salt/tilt to the Snapcaster deal above, but I (not a modern or vintage player) actually want a Snapcaster now because of that art, the rarity shift seems a bit like pandering. I've heard a lot of complaints/suggestions that Damnation should have been at mythic, which I just don't agree with (Podcasts, LGS frequenters etc.). I understand the arguments, but I don't think that Snaps should/need to be at mythic. It may be to keep the price where it is, or artificially inflate it, especially with new art, who knows? We only have our theories and specs, right.
@VidarThor I think you mean Linvala right? LOL Freudian slip with Lili on the brain eh? Seems to be happening to a lot of us.
I hope all the folks that posted in this thread sayin this set was going to suck are eating their sneakers right now! also seems like alot of this set is geared for commander which was my initial thought. wizards knows new players are playing edh and are looking for a boost up in the format.
I hope all the folks that posted in this thread sayin this set was going to suck are eating their sneakers right now!
Honestly, I was hesitant of the set at first, and now I'm definitely thinking of getting a box, with some buds, or picking up packs, and even doing some sealed or draft. It is getting pretty hype these last few days.
Black: Grisselbradn, X
Red: Bonefire of the damned, X
Green: X, X
Blue: Snapcaster Mage, X
White: X, X
Multi coloured: Domri Rode, X
Colourless: X, X
Land: X
MM15 had 5 cokourless mythics, and no multicoloured, or land mythics.
Note, I still think they will unbann Jace the Mindsculptor on the 13th and keep it's reprint a secret.
If there's is a mythic land it better not be cavern of souls
You feel mindsculpt Jace will get unbanned, how come?
Voice is a virtual certainty. Aside from the fact that it is on the very short list of cards from RTR block that actually need a reprint, Star City lowered their price a couple weeks ago despite being sold out.
I counted and there is a gap between 229 arid mesa and 233 Crumbling Necropolis. Two spaces are filled by Azorius guildgate and boros guildgate but there should be another card that isn't listed so fingers crossed! As for rarity I would be very unhappy if it is a mythic.
Value is good. But Dredgevine isn't supposed to be about value. It's supposed to be about V-8; 2000 pounds of nitro boosted war vegetables. The more velocity, the better.
Modern:
DredgeVine EDH:
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Anima Standard:
Archangel of Thune would be nuts man. I'd definitely be on board for that call. Mainly because I could use one for an EDH deck or something.
Also not to add salt/tilt to the Snapcaster deal above, but I (not a modern or vintage player) actually want a Snapcaster now because of that art, the rarity shift seems a bit like pandering. I've heard a lot of complaints/suggestions that Damnation should have been at mythic, which I just don't agree with (Podcasts, LGS frequenters etc.). I understand the arguments, but I don't think that Snaps should/need to be at mythic. It may be to keep the price where it is, or artificially inflate it, especially with new art, who knows? We only have our theories and specs, right.
I counted and there is a gap between 229 arid mesa and 233 Crumbling Necropolis. Two spaces are filled by Azorius guildgate and boros guildgate but there should be another card that isn't listed so fingers crossed! As for rarity I would be very unhappy if it is a mythic.
They have to print some of this stuff at mythic rare so the EV on the box doesn't exceed MSRP. A $40 card at rare basically drives up the cost of a box twice as much as it does at mythic rare, since any given rare occurs twice as often (21/53, or ~.4 per box) than does any given mythic rare (3/15, or .2 per box).
If Cavern is in this set, it pretty much has to be at Mythic given what's already been spoiled.
It is very helathy for modern if the fetchlands are easy to get. Printing the rest of these cards means nothing unless the price of entry gets lover, and all decks needs lands. If expected price is much hier then what is inside a box expected value just goes lover. Look at the last commander sets. All of them had expected vakue above 100 $ before the price decrease.
I guess that is true for box ratio on rares/mythics per box, but it's not an exact equation, there are exceptions. Boxes are always a gamble either way.
It is very helathy for modern if the fetchlands are easy to get. Printing the rest of these cards means nothing unless the price of entry gets lover, and all decks needs lands. If expected price is much hier then what is inside a box expected value just goes lover. Look at the last commander sets. All of them had expected vakue above 100 $ before the price decrease.
Also interesting aside, I did pick up the Stalwart Unity & Open Hostility decks from Toys R' Us on clearance for about half MSRP so I laughed pretty hard when reading this post.
They do not actually cost that. That was the prices before they where printed. Now they have stabelised from 60 to 80 in singels. But they cost about 40 if you wanne buy a box of them. But then there is the cost of moving them into other cards.
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I can't imagine Caverns at mythic, at least there is an argument for Snapcaster, as bad as that it. Cavern really isn't that strong unless tribal is heavily supported. Still enough it isn't like they haven't blundered other Masters sets with multiple "??!!" mythics.
Also Terminate with actually Decent art, and the art on the new Snapcaster Mage is pretty cool IMO.
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Black: Grisselbradn, X
Red: Bonefire of the damned, X
Green: X, X
Blue: Snapcaster Mage, X
White: X, X
Multi coloured: Domri Rode, X
Colourless: X, X
Land: X
MM15 had 5 cokourless mythics, and no multicoloured, or land mythics.
Note, I still think they will unbann Jace the Mindsculptor on the 13th and keep it's reprint a secret.
Also Primal Command, booooo
I'm wondering what mythics white is going to get.
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RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
At this point I will base it on ...being right?
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Snapcaster was an easy call tho.
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BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
The the other multi color mythic I think that winner is voice of resurgence
If there's is a mythic land it better not be cavern of souls
You feel mindsculpt Jace will get unbanned, how come?
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URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
That is a totally fair point. The only problem is, that your "rebuttal" committed the "continuation fallacy". That because something didn't do something recently, it cannot do it going forward.
The other part of the truth is, my "reasons" were not fully conscious to me. As such, I didn't have "good reasons", to be totally candid. And, yes, I let some snark fly and you probably don't deserve that.
I don't know what a "snap hoarder" is. But even if you have 1, I think you'll be happy it's mythic so the value you invested to have one isn't harmed.
Likewise, my snark was a bit over the top as well. Bygones be bygones?
Fact is that for most people this isn't a good move. It's going to hurt people's expectations, it's not going to bring enough Snappys on the market to lower it's price keeping them too hard to obtain...so yeah. Not happy.
Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Oops! All Chandras.
Prime Speaker Zegana - Draw for Power.
Pir & Toothy - Counterpalooza.
Arcades, the Strategist - Another Brick in the Wall.
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Calamity of Double Mana.
Edgar Markov - Vampires Don't Die.
Child of Alara - Dreamcrusher.
Voice is a virtual certainty. Aside from the fact that it is on the very short list of cards from RTR block that actually need a reprint, Star City lowered their price a couple weeks ago despite being sold out.
Entreat the Angels and one of Avacyn/Archangel of Thune. Book it.
Archangel of Thune would be nuts man. I'd definitely be on board for that call. Mainly because I could use one for an EDH deck or something.
Also not to add salt/tilt to the Snapcaster deal above, but I (not a modern or vintage player) actually want a Snapcaster now because of that art, the rarity shift seems a bit like pandering. I've heard a lot of complaints/suggestions that Damnation should have been at mythic, which I just don't agree with (Podcasts, LGS frequenters etc.). I understand the arguments, but I don't think that Snaps should/need to be at mythic. It may be to keep the price where it is, or artificially inflate it, especially with new art, who knows? We only have our theories and specs, right.
@VidarThor I think you mean Linvala right? LOL Freudian slip with Lili on the brain eh? Seems to be happening to a lot of us.
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
Honestly, I was hesitant of the set at first, and now I'm definitely thinking of getting a box, with some buds, or picking up packs, and even doing some sealed or draft. It is getting pretty hype these last few days.
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
I counted and there is a gap between 229 arid mesa and 233 Crumbling Necropolis. Two spaces are filled by Azorius guildgate and boros guildgate but there should be another card that isn't listed so fingers crossed! As for rarity I would be very unhappy if it is a mythic.
Modern:
DredgeVine
EDH:
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Anima
Standard:
They have to print some of this stuff at mythic rare so the EV on the box doesn't exceed MSRP. A $40 card at rare basically drives up the cost of a box twice as much as it does at mythic rare, since any given rare occurs twice as often (21/53, or ~.4 per box) than does any given mythic rare (3/15, or .2 per box).
If Cavern is in this set, it pretty much has to be at Mythic given what's already been spoiled.
Stalwart Unity $139
Breeding Lethality $138
Invent Superiority $133
Entropic Uprising $110
Open Hostility $104
Also interesting aside, I did pick up the Stalwart Unity & Open Hostility decks from Toys R' Us on clearance for about half MSRP so I laughed pretty hard when reading this post.
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar