My question is this: would Wizards print two blue (or any color) aligned planewalkers in a given set? Saheeli is the face of Kaladesh so she is in and very likely blue aligned (I personally feel UR) and Dovin is going to be blue aligned (unless he is mono-white, which doesn't feel right). I think Dovin and Chandra both will be in Aether Revolt, with Saheeli, Nissa, and someone else (Lili?) in Kaladesh.
Based on Wizard's description of Dovin, he is likely mono U (unless they were referring to his skin when they mentioned that he was a very, very blue planeswalker)
Shards of Alara: Elspeth and Ajani share white, Ajani and Sarkhan share red.
Scars of Mirrodin: Elspeth and Venser share white
Innistrad: Garruk and Liliana share black
Dragons of Tarkir: Sarkhan and Narset share blue
Shadows Over Innistrad: Sorin and Nahiri share white, Nahiri and Arlinn share red.
It wouldn't be the first time that planeswalkers in a given set shared color alignment in some form or fashion.
My question is this: would Wizards print two blue (or any color) aligned planewalkers in a given set? Saheeli is the face of Kaladesh so she is in and very likely blue aligned (I personally feel UR) and Dovin is going to be blue aligned (unless he is mono-white, which doesn't feel right). I think Dovin and Chandra both will be in Aether Revolt, with Saheeli, Nissa, and someone else (Lili?) in Kaladesh.
Based on Wizard's description of Dovin, he is likely mono U (unless they were referring to his skin when they mentioned that he was a very, very blue planeswalker)
Shards of Alara: Elspeth and Ajani share white, Ajani and Sarkhan share red.
Scars of Mirrodin: Elspeth and Venser share white
Innistrad: Garruk and Liliana share black
Dragons of Tarkir: Sarkhan and Narset share blue
Shadows Over Innistrad: Sorin and Nahiri share white, Nahiri and Arlinn share red.
It wouldn't be the first time that planeswalkers in a given set shared color alignment in some form or fashion.
Fair enough. Thank you.
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Evrything about his biography points to mono-U. UR is more the "crazed inventor" color pair, like Doc Brown or Izzet weirdos, while he's described as purely analytical and to-the-point.
His rigid observance of laws and customs (in today's story) points to W as well.
after reading the story, Dovin doesn't seem to have an ounce of red in him. I know he is from the plane where Chandra's parents were killed, but in the story every single word he said agitated her. plus he subtly tried to turn the gatewatch against her questioning why they would want a pyromancer with them. this leads me to believe he is not just one, but both of red's enemy colors making him UW. Plus he works for the consul, which pretty well established as UW. I don't think he is mono blue, because of his self righteous, almost arrogant tone, which is more of a white thing. and they described him as being 'vigilant' which is a red flag for 'white'
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Considering his short biography we can assume him to be a artifact-centered UR walker, assuming Chandra present and mono R we can confirm Saheeli as UW with the 2 last spot for a G and a B PW (or any comination with that colors)
Is there any reason Saheeli shouldn't be mono-U? I know her colour palette is very UR but the colours in general seem to all tend towards highlighter shades on Kaladesh (which I love)
I agree that he could be , but I think he could also be . Take a look at this quote by him:
"The nature of mortals is not so malleable as some would naively suppose. A person of religious inclination will always find something greater than themselves to place their faith in. A criminal will forever remain a criminal."
This is definitely part of green's philosophy, even if stated in a very blue way. Not only that, but it is the part of green's philosophy that blue is directly opposed to. It's difficult to imagine a mono-blue character believing anything like that. And since even the elves on Kaladesh appear to use artifacts, so if there's any place for a partially green artifact planeswalker, it's Kaladesh.
He definitely isn't red, though. He is very logical and in control, and shows virtually no emotion. He also seems to have a very low opinion of the revolutionaries and shows very little concern for people's freedom.
How does a player (planewalker) fix flaws in their deck? Through the side board.
I can see him having an ability that lets you exchange cards in your hand for cards you own outside the game (which would be your sideboard in tournament play). This would let you adapt your deck on the fly to your opponent's strategy and grab the perfect card you need. It fits thematically, it's sufficiently unique, and incredibly powerful.
One think that annoys me, why do you need to be a planeswalker to become a part of the story? I don't see a point of planeswalkers who are just do something for their homeworlds but not planeswalk.
Just commenting on the first half of that story....I haven't read any of these story articles in a while, but uh...why does it make me feel like I'm reading a modern day sitcom set in Los Angeles following two teenagers? I'm expecting them to stop at a Starbucks or need to post something to Instagram soon.
I agree that he could be , but I think he could also be . Take a look at this quote by him:
"The nature of mortals is not so malleable as some would naively suppose. A person of religious inclination will always find something greater than themselves to place their faith in. A criminal will forever remain a criminal."
This is definitely part of green's philosophy, even if stated in a very blue way. Not only that, but it is the part of green's philosophy that blue is directly opposed to. It's difficult to imagine a mono-blue character believing anything like that. And since even the elves on Kaladesh appear to use artifacts, so if there's any place for a partially green artifact planeswalker, it's Kaladesh.
He definitely isn't red, though. He is very logical and in control, and shows virtually no emotion. He also seems to have a very low opinion of the revolutionaries and shows very little concern for people's freedom.
I don't think he would be green aligned, only because he started questioning Nissa on whether she would ask for permission from the plane to use it's mana, and did so in condescending fashion. that's pretty anti green. I still think UW fits the best personally, but you have and interesting take on it.
How does a player (planewalker) fix flaws in their deck? Through the side board.
I can see him having an ability that lets you exchange cards in your hand for cards you own outside the game (which would be your sideboard in tournament play). This would let you adapt your deck on the fly to your opponent's strategy and grab the perfect card you need. It fits thematically, it's sufficiently unique, and incredibly powerful.
That would certainly be very unique, but I think it would be either too narrow or even too dangerous to put on a walker. The description tells us that he can see the flaws in machinery within moments and that he improved countless constructs and designs of the consuls arsenal. I'd represent growth or improvement with +1/+1 counters, so I'd say that one of his abilities will put said counters on either one artifact creature or your entire team of artifact-buddies even.
I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
Puzzle quest isn't produced by WotC and there is evidence that the things they do in the game don't necessarily align with proper Magic ideals. Nothing Puzzle Quest puts forth should be considered canon.
He pretty much has to be mono-blue. Chandra is R, Saheeli is either UR or WU. And I'm pretty sure Gideon is going to be in this block (next set).
His personality fits U or WU (Order/Perfection). I was expecting a UB planeswalker, but I don't think he is.
I'm starting to think I might be wrong about Gideon and that we'll be getting Nissa instead.
Something about the story bugs me though..
And he crafted a plan to significantly reduce the risk of gremlin infestation. But when he came up against an unexpected and unpredictable renegade threat, he found he did not have the resources to manage it-at least not on Kaladesh. He turned to his powers as a Planeswalker and requested the aid of the Gatewatch: a group of other Planeswalkers whose oath to keep the planes of the Multiverse safe aligned with his own principles.
I thought we were told that this would NOT be a Gatewatch story?
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So... Three (!) native Kaladesh planeswalkers in the block named Kaladesh?
Brilliant.
I don't think Dovin is native to Kaladesh. There's nothing in his story that suggests he's native - just that he spends a lot of time there. With his talents with artifacts he probably wants to live on a plane with lots of them.
Scroll down and you'll see "Visiting Planeswalkers: " Dovin Baan appears under it. Now it also lists Chandra as 'visiting' but she left a long time ago and has just come back temporarily. I get the feeling that Dovin comes from elsewhere (Ravnica?) but lives here because there are more artifacts here.
Also - they've said that you'll usually not find planeswalkers on their home plane. Usually they are travelling, because that's what planeswalkers do. Arlin Kord was kind of the exception.
So far the only known sentient species on Kaladesh are humans and elves (source - same page linked above).
As for Saheeli and Magic: the Puzzling - I'm pretty sure their license with Wizards is such that they aren't allowed to go too far astray from the IP - and they probably confirmed her colour identity before putting that in their game. I'll take this as proof that Saheeli is UR until I see otherwise. It is a little strange that both Planeswalker Intro decks for the first set using them both have red planeswalkers. Kinda doesn't give much of a choice in the matter. I expect Chandra's deck will be RW - because that's the secondary colour that most fits her in my opinion (Although I'd say the same about Gideon...)
I thought we were told that this would NOT be a Gatewatch story?
We have been told that all stories going forward will be gatewatch stories so how you got this idea is strange. We have been told that all stories won't involve all of the gatewatch, and we already know Jace and Gideon won't be there so its already true.
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How do we know Jace and Gideon won't be there? My theory has him in the 2nd set. If he's not there then I guess we get another Nissa in the 2nd set.
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Shards of Alara: Elspeth and Ajani share white, Ajani and Sarkhan share red.
Scars of Mirrodin: Elspeth and Venser share white
Innistrad: Garruk and Liliana share black
Dragons of Tarkir: Sarkhan and Narset share blue
Shadows Over Innistrad: Sorin and Nahiri share white, Nahiri and Arlinn share red.
It wouldn't be the first time that planeswalkers in a given set shared color alignment in some form or fashion.
Fair enough. Thank you.
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His rigid observance of laws and customs (in today's story) points to W as well.
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Right now, you can infer that Nissa and Chandra are going to be up to their necks in the Aether Revolt simply from the set icon.
I don't see the B in him based on the short blurb but I guess I can imagine it?
I guess I can see him as not-U too, but the whole bit about imperfections and what not makes me think of how Maro describes blue.
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Is there any reason Saheeli shouldn't be mono-U? I know her colour palette is very UR but the colours in general seem to all tend towards highlighter shades on Kaladesh (which I love)
"The nature of mortals is not so malleable as some would naively suppose. A person of religious inclination will always find something greater than themselves to place their faith in. A criminal will forever remain a criminal."
This is definitely part of green's philosophy, even if stated in a very blue way. Not only that, but it is the part of green's philosophy that blue is directly opposed to. It's difficult to imagine a mono-blue character believing anything like that. And since even the elves on Kaladesh appear to use artifacts, so if there's any place for a partially green artifact planeswalker, it's Kaladesh.
He definitely isn't red, though. He is very logical and in control, and shows virtually no emotion. He also seems to have a very low opinion of the revolutionaries and shows very little concern for people's freedom.
I can see him having an ability that lets you exchange cards in your hand for cards you own outside the game (which would be your sideboard in tournament play). This would let you adapt your deck on the fly to your opponent's strategy and grab the perfect card you need. It fits thematically, it's sufficiently unique, and incredibly powerful.
I don't think he would be green aligned, only because he started questioning Nissa on whether she would ask for permission from the plane to use it's mana, and did so in condescending fashion. that's pretty anti green. I still think UW fits the best personally, but you have and interesting take on it.
Tamiyo has that title.
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Yeah, and Nicol Bolas, Ugin and Karn are also totally human, and Ajani uses a Lion Mask.
That would certainly be very unique, but I think it would be either too narrow or even too dangerous to put on a walker. The description tells us that he can see the flaws in machinery within moments and that he improved countless constructs and designs of the consuls arsenal. I'd represent growth or improvement with +1/+1 counters, so I'd say that one of his abilities will put said counters on either one artifact creature or your entire team of artifact-buddies even.
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/134995146028/in-the-magic-the-gathering-puzzle-quest-is-there
Puzzle quest isn't produced by WotC and there is evidence that the things they do in the game don't necessarily align with proper Magic ideals. Nothing Puzzle Quest puts forth should be considered canon.
His personality fits U or WU (Order/Perfection). I was expecting a UB planeswalker, but I don't think he is.
I'm starting to think I might be wrong about Gideon and that we'll be getting Nissa instead.
Something about the story bugs me though..
I thought we were told that this would NOT be a Gatewatch story?
I don't think Dovin is native to Kaladesh. There's nothing in his story that suggests he's native - just that he spends a lot of time there. With his talents with artifacts he probably wants to live on a plane with lots of them.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/story/planes/kaladesh
Scroll down and you'll see "Visiting Planeswalkers: " Dovin Baan appears under it. Now it also lists Chandra as 'visiting' but she left a long time ago and has just come back temporarily. I get the feeling that Dovin comes from elsewhere (Ravnica?) but lives here because there are more artifacts here.
Also - they've said that you'll usually not find planeswalkers on their home plane. Usually they are travelling, because that's what planeswalkers do. Arlin Kord was kind of the exception.
So far the only known sentient species on Kaladesh are humans and elves (source - same page linked above).
As for Saheeli and Magic: the Puzzling - I'm pretty sure their license with Wizards is such that they aren't allowed to go too far astray from the IP - and they probably confirmed her colour identity before putting that in their game. I'll take this as proof that Saheeli is UR until I see otherwise. It is a little strange that both Planeswalker Intro decks for the first set using them both have red planeswalkers. Kinda doesn't give much of a choice in the matter. I expect Chandra's deck will be RW - because that's the secondary colour that most fits her in my opinion (Although I'd say the same about Gideon...)
How do we know Jace and Gideon won't be there? My theory has him in the 2nd set. If he's not there then I guess we get another Nissa in the 2nd set.