To me at least, this should be a GIANT RED FLAG to Wizards that their current model of slow rollout of spoilers in the exact same way, every set, with ponderous predictability is NOT what a lot of the Magic buying community wants. It is their product and they can choose to roll it out in their own fashion. If they are unwilling to change up their predictable (i.e. boring) spoiler roll out methods, then the consumer needs to quit purchasing product as your only recourse. Until they start to feel it in the pocketbook, this will continue. I should know, I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan and the owner Jerry Jones has been rolling out overhyped underachieving teams for the last 20 years. But people keep buying the jerseys, going to games and giving him money hand over fist. Sure would be fun to see what would happen if ALL players boycotted buying Magic products for a month. Won't ever happen but it would be interesting to see the response. Unfortunately LGS would suffer somewhat. Talk with your purchases. Badmouthing Wizards then going right out and buying a crapload of their product has them laughing all the way to the bank. Just something to ponder.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
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Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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To me at least, this should be a GIANT RED FLAG to Wizards that their current model of slow rollout of spoilers in the exact same way, every set, with ponderous predictability is NOT what a lot of the Magic buying community wants. It is their product and they can choose to roll it out in their own fashion. If they are unwilling to change up their predictable (i.e. boring) spoiler roll out methods, then the consumer needs to quit purchasing product as your only recourse. Until they start to feel it in the pocketbook, this will continue. I should know, I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan and the owner Jerry Jones has been rolling out overhyped underachieving teams for the last 20 years. But people keep buying the jerseys, going to games and giving him money hand over fist. Sure would be fun to see what would happen if ALL players boycotted buying Magic products for a month. Won't ever happen but it would be interesting to see the response. Unfortunately LGS would suffer somewhat. Talk with your purchases. Badmouthing Wizards then going right out and buying a crapload of their product has them laughing all the way to the bank. Just something to ponder.
So you want people to stop playing the game they enjoy because you want your spoilers months before the set releases?
And how does this leak prove anything anyway? Might want to the pondering before making baseless assertions.
Yes. From what I've read of the situation, draconian is the only way to describe it.
Yeah, they lost their access to play and judge in sanctioned tournaments of a card game. That certainly rises to the level of draconian, a word used to describe things like the laws during the Spanish Inquisition.
It's a Greek word derived from Draco's law code, generally meaning unreasonable punishment for slight offenses. Banning every member of a Facebook group where the leak was initially posted, including the person who reported it to WotC, fits that term quite well.
How is it unreasonable to ban someone from playing/ judging in sanctioned tournaments? Its not like they burned the peoples' cards, or deleted their MTGO accounts. All of the people in that group knew that the leaks were the result of illegal activities, let it continue unreported, and many even took active parts in the illegal activities. Being banned from the professional parts of a hobby is the least draconian thing they could have done. Besides nothing, I guess.
Clearly we will never see eye to eye. I don't believe punishing people for their associations is OK.
To me at least, this should be a GIANT RED FLAG to Wizards that their current model of slow rollout of spoilers in the exact same way, every set, with ponderous predictability is NOT what a lot of the Magic buying community wants. It is their product and they can choose to roll it out in their own fashion. If they are unwilling to change up their predictable (i.e. boring) spoiler roll out methods, then the consumer needs to quit purchasing product as your only recourse. Until they start to feel it in the pocketbook, this will continue. I should know, I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan and the owner Jerry Jones has been rolling out overhyped underachieving teams for the last 20 years. But people keep buying the jerseys, going to games and giving him money hand over fist. Sure would be fun to see what would happen if ALL players boycotted buying Magic products for a month. Won't ever happen but it would be interesting to see the response. Unfortunately LGS would suffer somewhat. Talk with your purchases. Badmouthing Wizards then going right out and buying a crapload of their product has them laughing all the way to the bank. Just something to ponder.
I don't think some of mtgsalvation users serves as majority as mtg playing population. It's like saying Kamigawa is a popular and well received set from reading MaRo tumblr.
Yes. From what I've read of the situation, draconian is the only way to describe it.
Yeah, they lost their access to play and judge in sanctioned tournaments of a card game. That certainly rises to the level of draconian, a word used to describe things like the laws during the Spanish Inquisition.
It's a Greek word derived from Draco's law code, generally meaning unreasonable punishment for slight offenses. Banning every member of a Facebook group where the leak was initially posted, including the person who reported it to WotC, fits that term quite well.
How is it unreasonable to ban someone from playing/ judging in sanctioned tournaments? Its not like they burned the peoples' cards, or deleted their MTGO accounts. All of the people in that group knew that the leaks were the result of illegal activities, let it continue unreported, and many even took active parts in the illegal activities. Being banned from the professional parts of a hobby is the least draconian thing they could have done. Besides nothing, I guess.
Clearly we will never see eye to eye. I don't believe punishing people for their associations is OK.
Nobody thinks it's "OK".
Most reasonable people will understand why they chose to be indiscriminate in how they handed the punishment, this is business, it's nothing personal: this is about a lot of time and a lot money going down drain and WotC needs to make a statement that this kind of behaviour will not be tolerated in any shape or form.
You can chose to chastise WotC atop your high horse but this is how the real world works: life is a lot of things, fair is not one of them.
Life not typically being fair has never once been a justification of unfair action. It's just some cynical bs used to dismiss outrage against something that happens often enough, but should probably not be happening. Repetition has never been a valid justification for anything. Accepting things like this oh such weak ground is laziness at best.
Yeah, they lost their access to play and judge in sanctioned tournaments of a card game. That certainly rises to the level of draconian, a word used to describe things like the laws during the Spanish Inquisition.
It's a Greek word derived from Draco's law code, generally meaning unreasonable punishment for slight offenses. Banning every member of a Facebook group where the leak was initially posted, including the person who reported it to WotC, fits that term quite well.
How is it unreasonable to ban someone from playing/ judging in sanctioned tournaments? Its not like they burned the peoples' cards, or deleted their MTGO accounts. All of the people in that group knew that the leaks were the result of illegal activities, let it continue unreported, and many even took active parts in the illegal activities. Being banned from the professional parts of a hobby is the least draconian thing they could have done. Besides nothing, I guess.
Clearly we will never see eye to eye. I don't believe punishing people for their associations is OK.
Nobody thinks it's "OK".
Most reasonable people will understand why they chose to be indiscriminate in how they handed the punishment, this is business, it's nothing personal: this is about a lot of time and a lot money going down drain and WotC needs to make a statement that this kind of behaviour will not be tolerated in any shape or form.
You can chose to chastise WotC atop your high horse but this is how the real world works: life is a lot of things, fair is not one of them.
Collective punishment and reprisal don't have a place in reasonable society. Understanding why wizards would take such an action isn't mutually exclusive with vehemently disagreeing with them pillorying some innocent parties. The 'why'? I'm gandering its incompetence. What does wizards want to accomplish with this? Making people fear them, showing that they'll take disproportionate responses? Nobody is going to be bullied by a trading card game manufacturer lol. They can't round up a few usual suspects and hang them in the county square at high noon to send a message. Theres zero capacity whatsoever for intimidation tactics. If they abuse their playerbase and community, it will bite right back. Its as foolish as it is unjust
It's a Greek word derived from Draco's law code, generally meaning unreasonable punishment for slight offenses. Banning every member of a Facebook group where the leak was initially posted, including the person who reported it to WotC, fits that term quite well.
How is it unreasonable to ban someone from playing/ judging in sanctioned tournaments? Its not like they burned the peoples' cards, or deleted their MTGO accounts. All of the people in that group knew that the leaks were the result of illegal activities, let it continue unreported, and many even took active parts in the illegal activities. Being banned from the professional parts of a hobby is the least draconian thing they could have done. Besides nothing, I guess.
Clearly we will never see eye to eye. I don't believe punishing people for their associations is OK.
Nobody thinks it's "OK".
Most reasonable people will understand why they chose to be indiscriminate in how they handed the punishment, this is business, it's nothing personal: this is about a lot of time and a lot money going down drain and WotC needs to make a statement that this kind of behaviour will not be tolerated in any shape or form.
You can chose to chastise WotC atop your high horse but this is how the real world works: life is a lot of things, fair is not one of them.
Collective punishment and reprisal don't have a place in reasonable society. Understanding why wizards would take such an action isn't mutually exclusive with vehemently disagreeing with them pillorying some innocent parties. The 'why'? I'm gandering its incompetence. What does wizards want to accomplish with this? Making people fear them, showing that they'll take disproportionate responses? Nobody is going to be bullied by a trading card game manufacturer lol. They can't round up a few usual suspects and hang them in the county square at high noon to send a message. Theres zero capacity whatsoever for intimidation tactics. If they abuse their playerbase and community, it will bite right back. Its as foolish as it is unjust
So what in your opinion is an appropriate response for a major leak - something that coming from someone with an NDA signed would almost certainly result in legal recourse (indicating the importance of such things not coming to light before they are designed to). Someone has leaked the Godbook before, clearly whatever punishment was given out then wasn't enough of a punishment to deter anyone. "Fool me once.."
It's a Greek word derived from Draco's law code, generally meaning unreasonable punishment for slight offenses. Banning every member of a Facebook group where the leak was initially posted, including the person who reported it to WotC, fits that term quite well.
How is it unreasonable to ban someone from playing/ judging in sanctioned tournaments? Its not like they burned the peoples' cards, or deleted their MTGO accounts. All of the people in that group knew that the leaks were the result of illegal activities, let it continue unreported, and many even took active parts in the illegal activities. Being banned from the professional parts of a hobby is the least draconian thing they could have done. Besides nothing, I guess.
It's unreasonable to expect your players to be responsible for reporting your own supply chain failures, especially those who already donate a significant portion of personal time for free to doing something that frankly your company should be paying someone to do.
There is no way to create a rule that governs these situations without having to take every single potential card seriously and investing personal time into researching whether it *could* be a legitimate leak.
It isn't that the players were not reporting supply line leaks. They were not reporting criminal activities. And many of those players were judges; people given special responsibility and trust. Obviously they weren't screened thoroughly enough.
Why do you think that these people should get paid to participate in their hobby? Should I get paid by Thompson Center to go hunting?
And they do have a way of governing these things: NDAs. That, and any enfranchised player (ie all of the ones suspended) knows that these leaks are illegal. People are acting like this isn't a big deal. It is. If you cannot see how, you've probably never published something.
Without judges, no one gets to play GPs. It takes a lot of time, energy, and money to judge at a GP. I'm not saying pay your PLAYERS to participate, pay the people who have expenses like food, travel, and hotels along with sacrificing their own personal opportunity to play at that event, just so that everyone else can. Logically, it doesn't make financial sense for anyone to want to be a judge; WotC and players alike should be glad that there are individuals willing to make that sacrifice for the rest of us. Treat them like ***** though, and watch how many people stop donating (ie, giving for free) their time and effort to run these events.
Judges don't sign NDAs. They aren't bound in any legal fashion any more than a normal player in regards to spoilers. And you only know the leaks are illegal if you spend time researching the validity of the leak. Wizards has no right to coerce players into spending their time researching every "potential spoiler" for free.
Just so we're clear, the two people who actually leaked the information deserve punishment. My issue is that the other members of the group are also being held accountable for something that wasn't their doing and is in no way their responsibility for reporting.
Judging is as much a hobby as playing. I fail to see how judges are any more important than players. Both parties dump money, time, effort, and learning into their hobby.
Being banned from playing in a tournament isn't so much a punishment as much as it is a "Tsk tsk, you all knew better." The fact is, everyone involved knew an NDA was violated. If they didn't think and have reason to believe it was valid, they wouldn't have looked twice. The worlds of possibility some people live must assume that everyone else is as ignorant as they are.
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So what in your opinion is an appropriate response for a major leak - something that coming from someone with an NDA signed would almost certainly result in legal recourse (indicating the importance of such things not coming to light before they are designed to). Someone has leaked the Godbook before, clearly whatever punishment was given out then wasn't enough of a punishment to deter anyone. "Fool me once.."
Find out whos responsible, ban them, pursue appropriate legal action against them if applicable, then review your security procedures.
You can't stop people from leaking by anything other than restricting who has access to previews in the first place. If you are sending out previews, thats a risk you're going to have to accept. Nothing is going to stem all leaks, and taking collective punishment tactics isn't just going to fail at stopping leaks, its going to backfire hard.
Although wizard's actions may be heavy-handed, it's really a fault of their spoiler policy. They should sooner spoil cards for upcoming sets. Give us an SOI spoiler or 2, Future cards we don't know what set they'll appear in. Just upcoming cards and mechanics to feed the curiosity and build hype in a more general way. and like movies have previews months ahead of time.
I think the reason many of us enjoy spoilers is that we can start thinking about archetypes. When I saw the cards this thread announced. I thought wotc should've embraced it and confirmed and tried to salvage what was let out. I do think these were the most notable cards from the set and the rest will be ho hum and bleh.
Instead of 100% spoiling this card or that. how about COMING SOON: card name/2(?)(?) T: do something, you get This effect ?/5. pieces of the card's stats would be missing. do it every month. a small handful of partial spoilers.
this'd reduce cards leaked since we'd get a preview, ongoing, and might create actually more hype and discussion on a longer term
Nothing Wizards could do would prevent leaks. Regardless of the length of the spoiler roll-out, people will always want to know as much information as possible as soon as possible. I'm surprised that more playtest cards don't get spoiled, to be honest. It's a pretty tight ship. Wizards going after internal leaks is completely appropriate, and is their best way to prevent leaks if that's what they want to do. They way they went about it this time may be heavy handed, but its within their prerogative to do so.
I personally like getting more info, I'd love to watch a set go, in real time, through design and development in a completely transparent way. But that's me, and what would appeal to me is not necessarily what would appeal to the majority of their customers. But doing that slow roll wouldn't help. We'd all just want more info faster, the leakers would just fill in the blanks. It might even make it harder for Wizards to find the leaks that way - so its unlikely an approach they would take.
It isn't even only about the spoiler season customer experience, New Phyrexia sold rather poorly and WotC attributes that to the Godbook getting spoiled. That set was pretty damn busted so none of this "uderpowered sets don't sell as well" nonsense.
This is mostly about cold hard cash and that means this isn't the time to pull any punches on their end.
To me at least, this should be a GIANT RED FLAG to Wizards that their current model of slow rollout of spoilers in the exact same way, every set, with ponderous predictability is NOT what a lot of the Magic buying community wants. It is their product and they can choose to roll it out in their own fashion. If they are unwilling to change up their predictable (i.e. boring) spoiler roll out methods, then the consumer needs to quit purchasing product as your only recourse. Until they start to feel it in the pocketbook, this will continue. I should know, I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan and the owner Jerry Jones has been rolling out overhyped underachieving teams for the last 20 years. But people keep buying the jerseys, going to games and giving him money hand over fist. Sure would be fun to see what would happen if ALL players boycotted buying Magic products for a month. Won't ever happen but it would be interesting to see the response. Unfortunately LGS would suffer somewhat. Talk with your purchases. Badmouthing Wizards then going right out and buying a crapload of their product has them laughing all the way to the bank. Just something to ponder.
So you want people to stop playing the game they enjoy because you want your spoilers months before the set releases?
And how does this leak prove anything anyway? Might want to the pondering before making baseless assertions.
I never said that. You jumped to a conclusion. Players can continue "playing" all they want, just not PURCHASING product or funding Wizards through MTGO. My assertions are just as valid as yours, don't play that game with me you will lose. People gripe and complain and then go right ahead and give Wizards more money with their purchases. Money talks, the rest is a bunch of hot air. I attempt to practice what I preach. I buy singles through LGS and online and trading with other players. I refrain from retail cardboard crack as much as I can, I need to do better. If everyone would QUIT buying new product for a month it would wake a lot of people up. Or people can ***** and moan like here on the site and then rush out and buy cases of product and Wizards laughs all the way to the bank. If someone wants to have recourse, that way is through your purchases. Wizards will continue with their same tired old rollouts of dribbling X cards per day through the same tired channels since they have to reason to do anything else. If players want change, then players MAKE A CHANGE. Say it and do it! I'm not condoning illegal leaks. But I'm also not condoning Wizards stale method of rollout that triggers this type of action. There is blame on BOTH sides. I'm not going to argue who has the majority of that as it is all guesswork.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
To me at least, this should be a GIANT RED FLAG to Wizards that their current model of slow rollout of spoilers in the exact same way, every set, with ponderous predictability is NOT what a lot of the Magic buying community wants. It is their product and they can choose to roll it out in their own fashion. If they are unwilling to change up their predictable (i.e. boring) spoiler roll out methods, then the consumer needs to quit purchasing product as your only recourse. Until they start to feel it in the pocketbook, this will continue. I should know, I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan and the owner Jerry Jones has been rolling out overhyped underachieving teams for the last 20 years. But people keep buying the jerseys, going to games and giving him money hand over fist. Sure would be fun to see what would happen if ALL players boycotted buying Magic products for a month. Won't ever happen but it would be interesting to see the response. Unfortunately LGS would suffer somewhat. Talk with your purchases. Badmouthing Wizards then going right out and buying a crapload of their product has them laughing all the way to the bank. Just something to ponder.
I don't think some of mtgsalvation users serves as majority as mtg playing population. It's like saying Kamigawa is a popular and well received set from reading MaRo tumblr.
I agree. But the top tier fanatics often drive decisions and if the top 5% spend 50% of money on new Product, they should be listened to.
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STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Graven Cairns looks AMAZING and I want that Eye of Ugin so bad. I feel like this batch looks better than the ones in BFZ - they all just looked a little too similar, while these seem to have some diversity.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
So you want people to stop playing the game they enjoy because you want your spoilers months before the set releases?
And how does this leak prove anything anyway? Might want to the pondering before making baseless assertions.
Clearly we will never see eye to eye. I don't believe punishing people for their associations is OK.
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I don't think some of mtgsalvation users serves as majority as mtg playing population. It's like saying Kamigawa is a popular and well received set from reading MaRo tumblr.
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Nobody thinks it's "OK".
Most reasonable people will understand why they chose to be indiscriminate in how they handed the punishment, this is business, it's nothing personal: this is about a lot of time and a lot money going down drain and WotC needs to make a statement that this kind of behaviour will not be tolerated in any shape or form.
You can chose to chastise WotC atop your high horse but this is how the real world works: life is a lot of things, fair is not one of them.
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Collective punishment and reprisal don't have a place in reasonable society. Understanding why wizards would take such an action isn't mutually exclusive with vehemently disagreeing with them pillorying some innocent parties. The 'why'? I'm gandering its incompetence. What does wizards want to accomplish with this? Making people fear them, showing that they'll take disproportionate responses? Nobody is going to be bullied by a trading card game manufacturer lol. They can't round up a few usual suspects and hang them in the county square at high noon to send a message. Theres zero capacity whatsoever for intimidation tactics. If they abuse their playerbase and community, it will bite right back. Its as foolish as it is unjust
So what in your opinion is an appropriate response for a major leak - something that coming from someone with an NDA signed would almost certainly result in legal recourse (indicating the importance of such things not coming to light before they are designed to). Someone has leaked the Godbook before, clearly whatever punishment was given out then wasn't enough of a punishment to deter anyone. "Fool me once.."
Judging is as much a hobby as playing. I fail to see how judges are any more important than players. Both parties dump money, time, effort, and learning into their hobby.
Being banned from playing in a tournament isn't so much a punishment as much as it is a "Tsk tsk, you all knew better." The fact is, everyone involved knew an NDA was violated. If they didn't think and have reason to believe it was valid, they wouldn't have looked twice. The worlds of possibility some people live must assume that everyone else is as ignorant as they are.
Find out whos responsible, ban them, pursue appropriate legal action against them if applicable, then review your security procedures.
You can't stop people from leaking by anything other than restricting who has access to previews in the first place. If you are sending out previews, thats a risk you're going to have to accept. Nothing is going to stem all leaks, and taking collective punishment tactics isn't just going to fail at stopping leaks, its going to backfire hard.
I think the reason many of us enjoy spoilers is that we can start thinking about archetypes. When I saw the cards this thread announced. I thought wotc should've embraced it and confirmed and tried to salvage what was let out. I do think these were the most notable cards from the set and the rest will be ho hum and bleh.
Instead of 100% spoiling this card or that. how about COMING SOON: card name/2(?)(?) T: do something, you get This effect ?/5. pieces of the card's stats would be missing. do it every month. a small handful of partial spoilers.
this'd reduce cards leaked since we'd get a preview, ongoing, and might create actually more hype and discussion on a longer term
I personally like getting more info, I'd love to watch a set go, in real time, through design and development in a completely transparent way. But that's me, and what would appeal to me is not necessarily what would appeal to the majority of their customers. But doing that slow roll wouldn't help. We'd all just want more info faster, the leakers would just fill in the blanks. It might even make it harder for Wizards to find the leaks that way - so its unlikely an approach they would take.
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hu9uNBSUt92PwGhvexYlwFvsh6_SJBlEEIUV3H9_XyU/edit?usp=sharing
This is mostly about cold hard cash and that means this isn't the time to pull any punches on their end.
And an official spoiler for all the other expeditions it looks like.
10 Filter Lands
Mystic Gate (W/U)
Sunken Ruins (U/B)
Graven Cairns (B/R)
Fire-Lit Thicket (R/G)
Wooded Bastion (G/W)
Fetid Heath (W/B)
Cascade Bluffs (U/R)
Twilight Mire (B/G)
Rugged Prairie (R/W)
Flooded Grove (G/U)
10 Utility Lands
Kor Haven
Eye of Ugin
Ancient Tomb
Horizon Canopy
Mana Confluence
Forbidden Orchard
Dust Bowl
Tectonic Edge
Strip Mine
Wasteland
Merged with existing Expeditions thread
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I never said that. You jumped to a conclusion. Players can continue "playing" all they want, just not PURCHASING product or funding Wizards through MTGO. My assertions are just as valid as yours, don't play that game with me you will lose. People gripe and complain and then go right ahead and give Wizards more money with their purchases. Money talks, the rest is a bunch of hot air. I attempt to practice what I preach. I buy singles through LGS and online and trading with other players. I refrain from retail cardboard crack as much as I can, I need to do better. If everyone would QUIT buying new product for a month it would wake a lot of people up. Or people can ***** and moan like here on the site and then rush out and buy cases of product and Wizards laughs all the way to the bank. If someone wants to have recourse, that way is through your purchases. Wizards will continue with their same tired old rollouts of dribbling X cards per day through the same tired channels since they have to reason to do anything else. If players want change, then players MAKE A CHANGE. Say it and do it! I'm not condoning illegal leaks. But I'm also not condoning Wizards stale method of rollout that triggers this type of action. There is blame on BOTH sides. I'm not going to argue who has the majority of that as it is all guesswork.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
I agree. But the top tier fanatics often drive decisions and if the top 5% spend 50% of money on new Product, they should be listened to.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Modern Affinity
Soul Sisters
Izzet Delver of Secrets
Mono Green Stompy
Modern Red Burn
Gruul Dragons
Mono Black Aggro
EDH Decks:
Trostani, Selesnya's Voice
Omnath, Locus of Mana
Prossh, Skyraider of Kher
Tiny Leaders:
Vorel of the Hull Clade
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Modern Affinity
Soul Sisters
Izzet Delver of Secrets
Mono Green Stompy
Modern Red Burn
Gruul Dragons
Mono Black Aggro
EDH Decks:
Trostani, Selesnya's Voice
Omnath, Locus of Mana
Prossh, Skyraider of Kher
Tiny Leaders:
Vorel of the Hull Clade
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