How does it not make sense? "It takes two to tango." "It takes two (basics) to come in untapped." It's almost elegant in it's cleverness AND makes perfect sense.
"Battlelands" already don't make sense because unless the other 5 are printed in "Ravnica the Third: Battle for Jace's Head" or something, "battle" means impressively nothing.
The only logical argument against "tango lands" is that "it takes two to tango" is an American idiom that not all countries understand.
Except the analogy falls apart in practice: "It takes two to tango" means a task or activity requires two people (or things) to do, and comes from the requirement of two people to properly tango dance. Not a third person (or thing) joining a pre-existing task or dance of two. So not only is it silly, it doesn't make sense.
The fact is it an American idiom is even more support for NOT calling them that ridiculous name.
There's sooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOO many things in this world that takes two to.
Tango is one of them. One in a million. Perhaps we should call them Football lands because it takes two teams to play a football match. Or sex lands. Or dinner lands. Or conversation lands. Or Magic lands. Perhaps there's a hundred better examples than mine but I hope you get the point. Tango has nothing to do with those lands except for the first guy who came up with the joke got rewarded for being funny. It doesn't get more stupid than that.
Not really in support of tango lands but your getting ridiculous. The only one of your examples that works is actually repeatedly referred to by this analogy already. To mention things that "require" 2 but may have many more or "teams" is illogical. Also "It takes two to tango" is an idiom giving it hundreds of times more reasonable then anything you've put here. Though as was already mentioned it's an American Idiom is the only real argument I've heard against it other than "THAT'S DUMB, STOP THAT"...not sure where to go from there.
for a yankee bloke, I'm familiar enough with the idiom, but don't think it associates strongly enough to be implied in a derivative and unrelated name, its a stretched relation. Its like calling shocklands "Cigarlands", because they're close, but no cigar, to the original duals. Theres nothing clever about making such tortured and arguably technically incorrect word associations.
Except the analogy falls apart in practice: "It takes two to tango" means a task or activity requires two people (or things) to do, and comes from the requirement of two people to properly tango dance. Not a third person (or thing) joining a pre-existing task or dance of two. So not only is it silly, it doesn't make sense.
The fact is it an American idiom is even more support for NOT calling them that ridiculous name.
The dual land coming in untapped is the tango, hence, tango land. Did this really go over your head?
Except the analogy falls apart in practice: "It takes two to tango" means a task or activity requires two people (or things) to do, and comes from the requirement of two people to properly tango dance. Not a third person (or thing) joining a pre-existing task or dance of two. So not only is it silly, it doesn't make sense.
The fact is it an American idiom is even more support for NOT calling them that ridiculous name.
The dual land coming in untapped is the tango, hence, tango land. Did this really go over your head?
The name is ridiculous, it makes no sense, and sounds stupid saying it out loud. A land is not a "dance," nor does a third land entering have anything to do with "two to tango," which only references two parties involved. Nothing went over my head unless people are actively using the phrase improperly. Either way, it's a horrible name and I feel stupider even having to discuss it.
The name is ridiculous, it makes no sense, and sounds stupid saying it out loud. A land is not a "dance," nor does a third land entering have anything to do with "two to tango," which only references two parties involved. Nothing went over my head unless people are actively using the phrase improperly. Either way, it's a horrible name and I feel stupider even having to discuss it.
Yikes, dude. What did the tango ever do to you? Steal your lunch money? There's really no need for the vitriol. It's a catchy name that's caught on with a plurality of players whether silly or no.
The people who made the reserve list do not understand how to make money. Thats why they do not add to the list. If it wasn't for companies like starcity games dictating what gets reprinted. We would not have a reserve list at all.
Also uncommon lands will not be in the expeditions.
We are more likey to get painlands than uncommon lands.
10 Filterlands
5 battlelands
5 enemy or ally painlands
I don't understand how there is an argument about what the expeditions will be. It will be filter lands and manlands. 10 each. I am willing to bet any amount of money it. If anyone disagrees, put your money where your mouth is.
It absolutely can never be 10/10. The 5 battlelands WILL be 5 of those 20.
So you're of the opinion they're going to pre-print the enemy battle lands as Expeditions? Because they certainly won't be in Oath.
How are you so sure that the enemy battle lands won't be in Oath? Was it explicitly stated that they wouldn't be in Oath and I just missed it?
There is no way they would put 7 dual lands in the large set and then 8 in the small set. It would take up way too many of the rare slots in small set to out in 8 dual lands. It's also incredibly unlikely that we would get 15 dual lands in a single block. With the new 2 set per block paradigm we should see a lot more alternating 5 cycle of lands like how M15 had an enemy pair set and khans had an allied set.
So I willsay it again, the expeditions will be 10 filters and 10 manlands AND there will not be enemy colored tangolands in Oath. I will bet any amount of money on either of these things.
Unfortunately every try hard from Sacramento to Shanghai preaches from the top of their 27 lands + Mana Reflection that Tooth and Nail and Time Stretch are fine to play in the same turn but Armageddon is unfair.
Zendikar 1 had 15 dual lands stuffed into 2 sets, didn't it?
Not at rare though. Common and uncommon manafixing is usually plentiful but they're generally consider to be the budget options. No block has ever had more than 10 rare duals, unless you want to count Lorwyn/Shadowmoor which was technically two blocks.
Unfortunately every try hard from Sacramento to Shanghai preaches from the top of their 27 lands + Mana Reflection that Tooth and Nail and Time Stretch are fine to play in the same turn but Armageddon is unfair.
Charmlands (Third land's the charm; or third land enters untapped.)
Or if you can't stand Charmlands for some reason.
CrowdLands (3's a crowd.)
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Except the analogy falls apart in practice: "It takes two to tango" means a task or activity requires two people (or things) to do, and comes from the requirement of two people to properly tango dance. Not a third person (or thing) joining a pre-existing task or dance of two. So not only is it silly, it doesn't make sense.
The fact is it an American idiom is even more support for NOT calling them that ridiculous name.
The dual land coming in untapped is the tango, hence, tango land. Did this really go over your head?
If the first two lands are dancers, then why is the third the dance itself, and not another dancer? That nickname would make more sense if we were talking about a cycle of sorceries of enchantments or somesuch.
My local group just calls them "Deuce lands" Two basics, deuce. Also, use of them outside of Standard is basically, um...well, same a taking a number two.
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It takes two basic lands to play one of these new lands untapped. It takes two (basic lands) to (play a) tango(land). You don't have to like the pun, but trying to argue that it doesn't make sense because the dual is the third land is silly because it could just as easily be the fourth or fifth land you play. The lands take two of something (specifically, basic lands) to work properly, so the joke is that these lands, like a tango, take two. YMMV on if the joke is actually funny, or if you like the name for them. I've heard of enough people that call the shock lands "ravnica duals" or the check lands "M10 duals", it really doesn't matter which nickname you prefer as long as the context makes it clear which lands you're referencing. I think BFZ lands (pronounced Bee Eff Zee) would be more clear than battle lands if you want to name them after the set, but eh.
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But it also allows cards to become a virtual Wastes by removing a basic land type from a basic land.
And in Commander it'd have no effect anyway because trying to generate black mana from your Urborg'd Wastes would just turn it right back into <> since colored mana outside your commander's color identity becomes <>.
This does have some interesting ramifications... cards costing <> will almost certainly be easier to splash in Commander, considering how stuff that taps for any color (like Chromatic Lantern) work when they would produce colored mana that isn't in your commander's color identity. You won't get this benefit in any other format, since presumably WotC won't change the rules to allow tapping for any color of mana to be able to produce colorless outright.
Modern and earlier formats will have Kruphix, God of Horizons to convert all that "extra" colored mana into colorless. Or you could be someone that appreciates the fun of playing with cards like Ritual of Subdual.
But, otherwise, colored mana will not be able to be spent as though it were colorless. Unless they print an inverted Mycosynth Lattice, anyway.
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Except the analogy falls apart in practice: "It takes two to tango" means a task or activity requires two people (or things) to do, and comes from the requirement of two people to properly tango dance. Not a third person (or thing) joining a pre-existing task or dance of two. So not only is it silly, it doesn't make sense.
The fact is it an American idiom is even more support for NOT calling them that ridiculous name.
The dual land coming in untapped is the tango, hence, tango land. Did this really go over your head?
If the first two lands are dancers, then why is the third the dance itself, and not another dancer? That nickname would make more sense if we were talking about a cycle of sorceries of enchantments or somesuch.
I don't know if this is to be taken seriously.
Are there people really objecting to the name
because the "analogy" breaks down somewhere,
in some tortured contexts?
The "land" is no more "a dace" than the the
lands we happily call "filter lands" arn't a
"filter".
Or buddy lands aren't actual friends.
Or 'fetch lands' aren't actually a stupid pet
trick.
If there is a real need to change the name and
make it relevant, the references to 3 don't work
either. About the best I heard was the "Double Check"
because "charmlands" for example suggests it's the
opposite of the fast lands, but it's NOT. The lands
must be basics.
Are there people really objecting to the name
because the "analogy" breaks down somewhere,
in some tortured contexts?
I'm objecting to the name because the analogy breaks down from the get-go. The phrase "it takes two to tango" has nothing to do with going from two of a thing to three of a thing. It's about one to two; if anything, "tangolands" is a better nickname for the checklands. "Charmlands" my sound like it's trying way too hard to be cute, but at least the nickname shows a proper grasp of what the phrase it's based on is about.
You're really gonna sit there and try to sell me this malarkey that saying "three lands representing the same thing in an analogy is logical" is a stretch, but saying "two lands representing something completely different from a third in an analogy is logical" somehow isn't?
for example suggests it's the
opposite of the fast lands, but it's NOT. The lands
must be basics.
You can't accuse me of pedantry, and then go saying stuff like this. BfZ's duals may not be a perfect mirror to the fastlands, but the contrast is more than direct enough to make that parallel. Fastlands are best in the first three turns. BfZ's duals are best after at least the first two.
And nicknames like "latelands", "laglands", or "slowlands" do work independent of the fastlands' nickname, since you want to play them after waiting some number of turns.
Except the analogy falls apart in practice: "It takes two to tango" means a task or activity requires two people (or things) to do, and comes from the requirement of two people to properly tango dance. Not a third person (or thing) joining a pre-existing task or dance of two. So not only is it silly, it doesn't make sense.
The fact is it an American idiom is even more support for NOT calling them that ridiculous name.
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The dual land coming in untapped is the tango, hence, tango land. Did this really go over your head?
The name is ridiculous, it makes no sense, and sounds stupid saying it out loud. A land is not a "dance," nor does a third land entering have anything to do with "two to tango," which only references two parties involved. Nothing went over my head unless people are actively using the phrase improperly. Either way, it's a horrible name and I feel stupider even having to discuss it.
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Yikes, dude. What did the tango ever do to you? Steal your lunch money? There's really no need for the vitriol. It's a catchy name that's caught on with a plurality of players whether silly or no.
There is no way they would put 7 dual lands in the large set and then 8 in the small set. It would take up way too many of the rare slots in small set to out in 8 dual lands. It's also incredibly unlikely that we would get 15 dual lands in a single block. With the new 2 set per block paradigm we should see a lot more alternating 5 cycle of lands like how M15 had an enemy pair set and khans had an allied set.
So I willsay it again, the expeditions will be 10 filters and 10 manlands AND there will not be enemy colored tangolands in Oath. I will bet any amount of money on either of these things.
Not at rare though. Common and uncommon manafixing is usually plentiful but they're generally consider to be the budget options. No block has ever had more than 10 rare duals, unless you want to count Lorwyn/Shadowmoor which was technically two blocks.
Charmlands (Third land's the charm; or third land enters untapped.)
Or if you can't stand Charmlands for some reason.
CrowdLands (3's a crowd.)
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1. Their duals that require two other lands to be at their best, and;
2. ANY name that's been applied to them makes you sound like a tool when spoken aloud.
So, that's what we decided to run with.
This is kind of beautiful.
If the first two lands are dancers, then why is the third the dance itself, and not another dancer? That nickname would make more sense if we were talking about a cycle of sorceries of enchantments or somesuch.
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This does have some interesting ramifications... cards costing <> will almost certainly be easier to splash in Commander, considering how stuff that taps for any color (like Chromatic Lantern) work when they would produce colored mana that isn't in your commander's color identity. You won't get this benefit in any other format, since presumably WotC won't change the rules to allow tapping for any color of mana to be able to produce colorless outright.
But, otherwise, colored mana will not be able to be spent as though it were colorless. Unless they print an inverted Mycosynth Lattice, anyway.
I don't know if this is to be taken seriously.
Are there people really objecting to the name
because the "analogy" breaks down somewhere,
in some tortured contexts?
The "land" is no more "a dace" than the the
lands we happily call "filter lands" arn't a
"filter".
Or buddy lands aren't actual friends.
Or 'fetch lands' aren't actually a stupid pet
trick.
If there is a real need to change the name and
make it relevant, the references to 3 don't work
either. About the best I heard was the "Double Check"
because "charmlands" for example suggests it's the
opposite of the fast lands, but it's NOT. The lands
must be basics.
BasicBuddies?
I'm objecting to the name because the analogy breaks down from the get-go. The phrase "it takes two to tango" has nothing to do with going from two of a thing to three of a thing. It's about one to two; if anything, "tangolands" is a better nickname for the checklands. "Charmlands" my sound like it's trying way too hard to be cute, but at least the nickname shows a proper grasp of what the phrase it's based on is about.
You're really gonna sit there and try to sell me this malarkey that saying "three lands representing the same thing in an analogy is logical" is a stretch, but saying "two lands representing something completely different from a third in an analogy is logical" somehow isn't?
You can't accuse me of pedantry, and then go saying stuff like this. BfZ's duals may not be a perfect mirror to the fastlands, but the contrast is more than direct enough to make that parallel. Fastlands are best in the first three turns. BfZ's duals are best after at least the first two.
And nicknames like "latelands", "laglands", or "slowlands" do work independent of the fastlands' nickname, since you want to play them after waiting some number of turns.
That's terrible.
exactly. stop derailing this thread. go argue about the nicknames in the other 80 page threads about those other lands.
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