I have seen other card games where they bundle multiple boosters with a promo card, whether it be Yugioh's tins and special editions, or Pokemon's tins, blisters, and numerous box sets. MTG has done something like this, but only sells to big box stores, rather than all stores. In Pokemon and Yugioh, the multiple booster + promo product in which the promo is a high rarity promo is usually packaged in a reusable container, like a tin. I think the Planeswalkers, in promo form, can be released bundled with 2 large set and 1 small set boosters from the block the planeswalker came from, and it would be packaged in a reusable container. It would be released at the same time when the second set of the block after the one in which the planeswalkers were featured, making it so that the planeswalkers are accessible easily for half of the standard rotation.
Now, if Magic Duels pulled off a Pokemon TCG Online, and physical product can be redeemed for virtual products, such as buying a 15 card booster can redeem the 6 card virtual booster of the same set, or buying an intro pack can redeem the exact deck in Magic Duels, or buying this product where there is a planeswalker promo bundled with 3 boosters, you can redeem it for 3 boosters, because each booster redeems a booster, and there is another code card that redeems the planeswalker promo, and a deck based around that planeswalker. You may not get a physical version of the deck, but you get a virtual one through Magic Duels. Pokemon has done something where if you buy a tin featuring an EX card, and you redeem that tin on Pokemon TCG online, you get a deck that features that EX card.
Okay I guess I'm a little curious but also confused I checked out the link for the duel deck and I didn't see anywhere on the post where it says they're doing away with the planeswalker VS decks.
You do realize that they've done vs. Decks before that weren't planeswalker centered right?
Now, if there's another article somewhere where it says that I'd want to see it, otherwise this seems to just be jumping to conclusions.
Since 2011/12 the duels had the pattern preview the fall set. Planeswalkers of the previous set, now it looks like the Duel decks are set up to preview the fall set in the fall release and give access to the planeswalkers of the previous set in the spring release. It looks like now they shifted the spring set about a month or so earlier so they can preview the spring set. Is it possible the fall set will now showcase planeswalkers? Dure but it seems less likely
I'm so disappointed by this. I was really hoping for a duel deck with Ugin or a flip walker duel deck with, say, Jace and Nissa or Jace and Liliana. All of those cards are pretty expensive, especially Jace who's price is insane.
For starters, the decks focus on more than just Angels and Demons. Humans, Spirits, and Zombies at the very least are going to be a major focus as well. And being that the decks' story quite explicitly mentions Innistrad, it's a safe bet we'll see some tribal themes along with perhaps some Morbid, Undying, Flashback, and Curses. The one major Innistrad mechanic I'm not expecting to see is transform, as DFCs aren't viable for supplementary products at this time.
The decks will also likely use second colors, though the most obvious pairs - GW vs. BR - were just done by ZvE, so I'm expecting the Blessing deck to be RW or WU instead. The focus on light makes me lean toward RW. The Cursed deck meanwhile could be UB to allow for more Zombie tribal.
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Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
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You're on a website dedicated to talking about MtG. You're only a few keystrokes away from finding out what cards are on the Reserved List. You're also only a few keystrokes away from finding out why some cards on the Reserved List got foil printings in FtV, as Judge promos, or whatnot, as well as why that won't happen again. Stop doing this.
Hate to break it to you guys, but things not happening are more disappointing if you expect that thing to happen. I was totally disappointed in the BFZ intro packs when red is represented by 3 of them, and blue is represented by 1 of them, because I expected WOTC to hold true to the intro pack color pattern.
I'm just gonna star the obvious just got clarification but aren't the eldrazis going to innistrad I mean the only other titan not seen so far is emarkul or the best of the 3. So prediction is' innistrad is going to get mama screwed big time.
I'm sorry, my computer is kinda screwy I guess. I am not seeing in the announcement where it says that there will not be planeswalker duel decks anymore. Help?
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I'm just glad that the description for this Duel Deck really points away from Innistrad being invaded by an Eldrazi Titan. Because you'd think that if a giant abomination was eating your entire world, you'd be less worried about some undead walking around. I just don't want to see what happened to Zendikar happen to Innistrad in which it goes from "Awesome Gothic Horror World" to "Everyone vs the Eldrazi" just like Zendikar went from "Cool Adventuring Jungle World" to "Everyone vs the Eldrazi".
They should have taken this one in more a Hyborian Age thing, especially the stories that left Conan in the middle of a dark jungle to deal with some eldritch horror conjured by a mad sorcerer. Then they could've kept the Eldrazi attack thing and the adventuring jungle world.
They're probably not going to release any duel decks with planeswalkers in them, but instead, they are going to release some sort of event deck or clash pack that isn't set associated in the middle of the year, or in that same timeframe, release a multiplayer product that has planeswalkers in them.
WotC knows how well received PW-vs decks are/were. They won't discard them that easily.
I'm not so sure about that. For all we know Wizards might feel that these walkers become too easy to acquire, like how they felt they shouldn't give us mythic prerelease promos SMH...
I would be honestly surprised if it appeared here, considering they had a lot of good chances within a year with FTV: Annihilation, MM2, and even Commander 2014. Although this would be a good place to put it, as there are so many Duel Decks printed it shouldn't affect the price too much on them.
This duel deck better not be filled with crap. This is the perfect spot to reprint liliana of the veil. The only reason WIzards claimed they didn't reprint her before was because mono black devotion was too strong. They seriously need to start holding up to this modern reprint promise to us. They have claimed over and over again that they were reprinting cards for us for modern. They massively failed in the past three sets! Origins, battle for zendikar, and oath to the gate watch were all reprint failures. You know what the cards in these decks don't even have to make total sense. One of them could have a transformation SB to splash Tarmogoyf or just be black/green. ugh........I know it's going to be though just like giants vs monsters.
You're funny. They're not reprinting a $100 card in a $20 box set.
This duel deck better not be filled with crap. This is the perfect spot to reprint liliana of the veil. The only reason WIzards claimed they didn't reprint her before was because mono black devotion was too strong. They seriously need to start holding up to this modern reprint promise to us. They have claimed over and over again that they were reprinting cards for us for modern. They massively failed in the past three sets! Origins, battle for zendikar, and oath to the gate watch were all reprint failures. You know what the cards in these decks don't even have to make total sense. One of them could have a transformation SB to splash Tarmogoyf or just be black/green. ugh........I know it's going to be though just like giants vs monsters.
Perfect spot? If you REALLY think that they would print Liliana of the Veil here (and it not being even the face card,as we know them), you are out of your mind.
I cannot but laugh on the term "reprint failure"... man, even for the normal sets, reprinting cards for Modern is far from primary objective. In many, many cases, reprinting anything in the new sets would not make sense flavorwise.
For the Duel Decks, this is even more true. Once for a while, there is a card for other formats, but recently these were uncommons at best. And that is right. These decks are +/- for beginners and casual players. Not for idiot hoarders who buy them for one card and toss the rest away, creating a market undersupply (See Mind Seize Commander and TNN)
Also, the only time they ever reprinted a planeswalker in a supplemental product was Garruk in Planechase, long ago. (PW DDs obviously aside) Flavorwise, it is absolutely impossible to have a planeswalker reprinted in a new set in an identical from a previous set, because the cards show his/her progression in life. Core Sets (Magic 201X) were an exception, but they are gone.
Long story short: if LotV will ever see a non-promo reprint, it will be in Modern Masters 3. Nowhere else.
And as jturphy says...they are not gonna put 100$ card in 20$ box. Particularly this, that has already a nice value thanks to the promo Geist alone.
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Mindreaker demon is also an interesting varient of the cheap mono black heavy hitter.
Mindbreaker Demon
2BB
Creature - Demon
Flying, trample
When Mindbreaker Demon enters the battlefield, put the top four cards of your library into your graveyard.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you don't have 4 or more card types in your graveyard, you lose 4 life.
4/5
I really hope they don't end up making the duel deck 2 color vs 1 color, hopefully the demon deck ends up splashing red.
As for card types, self mill? archetype but that is odd if the sides share a color (hasn't been done since ajani vs nicol bolas). creatures, instants, sorceries are a given, pretty sure lands won't include sac effects, so maybe more curses. I am hoping for some good black enchantments since they usually print the good enchantments in Wx when blackis about gaining power flavorwise.
The demon is crap compared to Abyssal Persecutor, the apex black beatdown card.
I really wish both decks shared U just for the chance to get more slow fetchlands in modern border as they've been showing up in other DD's (Grasslands in KvD, Flood Plains in VvK, Rocky Tar Pit in EvZ). Or have it be BG to support the self-mill theme.
I'd rather it be mono black and as strong as Liliana or Demonic than it be one more weak BR deck printing the same core-set crap red cards they keep pushing like Firey Fall, Scourge Devils or Seismic Strike.
They won't print anything as powerful as Abyssal persecutor until they start slowly increasing the power level of the new sets and probably not till we get to innistrade, zendikar, scars of mirrodin, return to ravnica power levels.
I wouldn't mind BR, as long as it is a decent power level. It also wouldn't be hard for BR to do do some self mill with their erratic risky draw power red brings. Something like faithless looting would be a great reprint.
The demon is crap compared to Abyssal Persecutor, the apex black beatdown card.
I really wish both decks shared U just for the chance to get more slow fetchlands in modern border as they've been showing up in other DD's (Grasslands in KvD, Flood Plains in VvK, Rocky Tar Pit in EvZ). Or have it be BG to support the self-mill theme.
I'd rather it be mono black and as strong as Liliana or Demonic than it be one more weak BR deck printing the same core-set crap red cards they keep pushing like Firey Fall, Scourge Devils or Seismic Strike.
Considering that there already was a RB demon/devil themed "Innistrad" deck in Sorin vs. Tibalt, I would say that the "Cursed" here would encompass the Innistrad baddies in broader sense. I can very well imagine the second deck to be UB or even UBG, as the term "cursed" fits best to Innistrad geists (UG) and werewolves (G). Yes, there are white geists and red werewolves, but for the sake of simplicity, I ignore these for now. Zombies can very well be considered cursed as well, at least the black ones, not the stiched skaabs.
Basically, I expect them to differentiate the deck from the Tibalt one as much as they can.
The promos are geist of Saint traft and that mindbreaker demon right?
Yes- unless somehow the leak was fake.
Haha, unless it was the leaker's sinister plan to reveal actual Expeditons and OGW cards in order to trick everyone about the face cards of a supplementary product, I think we can assume they're real
This duel deck better not be filled with crap. This is the perfect spot to reprint liliana of the veil.
Wizards has done some pretty nutty things in recent times, but there is no way that they are going to place Liliana of the Veil into a duel deck. But, thank you for making me laugh though.
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Now, if Magic Duels pulled off a Pokemon TCG Online, and physical product can be redeemed for virtual products, such as buying a 15 card booster can redeem the 6 card virtual booster of the same set, or buying an intro pack can redeem the exact deck in Magic Duels, or buying this product where there is a planeswalker promo bundled with 3 boosters, you can redeem it for 3 boosters, because each booster redeems a booster, and there is another code card that redeems the planeswalker promo, and a deck based around that planeswalker. You may not get a physical version of the deck, but you get a virtual one through Magic Duels. Pokemon has done something where if you buy a tin featuring an EX card, and you redeem that tin on Pokemon TCG online, you get a deck that features that EX card.
You do realize that they've done vs. Decks before that weren't planeswalker centered right?
Now, if there's another article somewhere where it says that I'd want to see it, otherwise this seems to just be jumping to conclusions.
Can't see this being much different from Angels vs Demons
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The decks will also likely use second colors, though the most obvious pairs - GW vs. BR - were just done by ZvE, so I'm expecting the Blessing deck to be RW or WU instead. The focus on light makes me lean toward RW. The Cursed deck meanwhile could be UB to allow for more Zombie tribal.
Every time I read a comment about "Well if this card had card draw/trample/haste/indestructible/hexproof/life gain...", I think "You're missing the point." They're armchair developer comments that fail to take into account the card's role in the greater Limited and Standard environment. No, it may not be as good as whatever card you're comparing it to. There's a reason for that. Not every burn spell is Lightning Bolt, nor does it need to be or should be.
They should have taken this one in more a Hyborian Age thing, especially the stories that left Conan in the middle of a dark jungle to deal with some eldritch horror conjured by a mad sorcerer. Then they could've kept the Eldrazi attack thing and the adventuring jungle world.
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I would be honestly surprised if it appeared here, considering they had a lot of good chances within a year with FTV: Annihilation, MM2, and even Commander 2014. Although this would be a good place to put it, as there are so many Duel Decks printed it shouldn't affect the price too much on them.
You're funny. They're not reprinting a $100 card in a $20 box set.
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Perfect spot? If you REALLY think that they would print Liliana of the Veil here (and it not being even the face card,as we know them), you are out of your mind.
I cannot but laugh on the term "reprint failure"... man, even for the normal sets, reprinting cards for Modern is far from primary objective. In many, many cases, reprinting anything in the new sets would not make sense flavorwise.
For the Duel Decks, this is even more true. Once for a while, there is a card for other formats, but recently these were uncommons at best. And that is right. These decks are +/- for beginners and casual players. Not for idiot hoarders who buy them for one card and toss the rest away, creating a market undersupply (See Mind Seize Commander and TNN)
Also, the only time they ever reprinted a planeswalker in a supplemental product was Garruk in Planechase, long ago. (PW DDs obviously aside) Flavorwise, it is absolutely impossible to have a planeswalker reprinted in a new set in an identical from a previous set, because the cards show his/her progression in life. Core Sets (Magic 201X) were an exception, but they are gone.
Long story short: if LotV will ever see a non-promo reprint, it will be in Modern Masters 3. Nowhere else.
And as jturphy says...they are not gonna put 100$ card in 20$ box. Particularly this, that has already a nice value thanks to the promo Geist alone.
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Mindreaker demon is also an interesting varient of the cheap mono black heavy hitter.
Mindbreaker Demon
2BB
Creature - Demon
Flying, trample
When Mindbreaker Demon enters the battlefield, put the top four cards of your library into your graveyard.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you don't have 4 or more card types in your graveyard, you lose 4 life.
4/5
I really hope they don't end up making the duel deck 2 color vs 1 color, hopefully the demon deck ends up splashing red.
As for card types, self mill? archetype but that is odd if the sides share a color (hasn't been done since ajani vs nicol bolas). creatures, instants, sorceries are a given, pretty sure lands won't include sac effects, so maybe more curses. I am hoping for some good black enchantments since they usually print the good enchantments in Wx when blackis about gaining power flavorwise.
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I really wish both decks shared U just for the chance to get more slow fetchlands in modern border as they've been showing up in other DD's (Grasslands in KvD, Flood Plains in VvK, Rocky Tar Pit in EvZ). Or have it be BG to support the self-mill theme.
I'd rather it be mono black and as strong as Liliana or Demonic than it be one more weak BR deck printing the same core-set crap red cards they keep pushing like Firey Fall, Scourge Devils or Seismic Strike.
I wouldn't mind BR, as long as it is a decent power level. It also wouldn't be hard for BR to do do some self mill with their erratic risky draw power red brings. Something like faithless looting would be a great reprint.
Would love something like rune-scarred Demon or Death's shadow.
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Considering that there already was a RB demon/devil themed "Innistrad" deck in Sorin vs. Tibalt, I would say that the "Cursed" here would encompass the Innistrad baddies in broader sense. I can very well imagine the second deck to be UB or even UBG, as the term "cursed" fits best to Innistrad geists (UG) and werewolves (G). Yes, there are white geists and red werewolves, but for the sake of simplicity, I ignore these for now. Zombies can very well be considered cursed as well, at least the black ones, not the stiched skaabs.
Basically, I expect them to differentiate the deck from the Tibalt one as much as they can.
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Wizards has done some pretty nutty things in recent times, but there is no way that they are going to place Liliana of the Veil into a duel deck. But, thank you for making me laugh though.
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