I'll definitely play it, hits everything relevant, I am still waiting for a good replacement for bile blight, but at the moment the 2 slot is free to cast it.
Inquisition of Kozilek is not here because Kozilek isn't there to inquisit. Khans and dragons had despise and duress. There is a decent chance of Kozilek being in the next set, there is a lot of hints about him on his named cards, but he isn't in the set. So what i am saying IoK could be in Oath of gatewatch a long with Kozilek.
This is better than Appetite for Brains IMO but I don't know that means it will see any real play...but WOW that art is AWESOME! I'm not a Black mage typically so I don't usually like that kind of art but I really like this one.
The second round drop in a deck is a much more crucial one than the first. It's one thing to skip first round board presence for the ability to consistently cripple your opponents hand, but skipping your round two drop is quite a bit more painful. We already have despise and duress in standard and they are first round. I just don't see exile being worth the extra cost unless consuming exiled cards is an incredibly important theme to your deck. If you draw this card later in the game it's also a lot harder to sneak it in on top of your mid game drops due to that extra cost. One extra black to drop a top decked despise in the mid game before it's useless will mess up your tempo way less than trying to cast this spell in that same situation.
My gut feeling about this card is that it isn't quite Standard playable UNLESS you run some Processors, at which point it starts working nicely in your favor.
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Arrgh... This is not the inquisition I was really hoping for. This really annoys me. Also, why the same set hate for the Eldrazi plan? I don't get this at all. Disheartening.
Arrgh... This is not the inquisition I was really hoping for. This really annoys me. Also, why the same set hate for the Eldrazi plan? I don't get this at all. Disheartening.
I don't see the Eldrazi hate in this card aside from what it hits. It in fact wants to go in Eldrazi Grixis control, which appears to be where they are taking them. This card is clearly meant to deal with midrange and later threats after you've laid your Herald of Kozilek while also providing fuel for your processors, including the very trendy looking Ulamog's Nullifier.
I would say the big downfall of this card is it only really works in its own cultivated format where you are lowering it's cost midgame with a Herald, the exile is relevant to fueling your midgame plan, and you want to push out removal/wraths to keep your stuff on board. Essentially, it will likely only work within the context of BfZ Eldrazi tribal.
Delve, raptor and protector were making thoughtseize less and less appealing... this card is fine. It hits the mana cost you'd want to hit anyway and exiles. At 1 CMC, it would have been bonker in standard. (Eternal formats with lower average CMC is a different story.)
My gut feeling about this card is that it isn't quite Standard playable UNLESS you run some Processors, at which point it starts working nicely in your favor.
I don't know about that. Even in a deck without any processors, this can get rid of raptors and rhinos from abzan in a way that den protector (and the new big eternal witness) can't get back, which is kind of a big deal right now. It also can get rid of ugins and other dragons against control decks in a way that stops them from using Haven to get them back. The exile is going to be very relevant in this standard in more ways than just processors.
This will almost definitely see sideboard play in standard. It's definitely not main-deck material, but standard rarely has targeted discard in the main.
My gut feeling about this card is that it isn't quite Standard playable UNLESS you run some Processors, at which point it starts working nicely in your favor.
I don't know about that. Even in a deck without any processors, this can get rid of raptors and rhinos from abzan in a way that den protector (and the new big eternal witness) can't get back, which is kind of a big deal right now. It also can get rid of ugins and other dragons against control decks in a way that stops them from using Haven to get them back. The exile is going to be very relevant in this standard in more ways than just processors.
This will almost definitely see sideboard play in standard. It's definitely not main-deck material, but standard rarely has targeted discard in the main.
You're certainly not wrong, I'm just shooting from the hip here. But Thoughtseize has seen tons of play over the past two years in the main deck, so I'm not sure where you're coming from saying that Standard doesn't use main-deck discard. This is Thoughtseize's replacement, so looking at it for maindeck potential is natural.
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I'm pretty excited about this. With Delve, Den Protector, Haven of the Spirit Dragon, and Jace in the format, exiling is very relevant. And this does hit a lot of important cards seeing heavy play:
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Great card. Might be able to pick them up cheap early if people aren't onto it.
Now I know Eldrazi processor control is going to be a deck. If it isn't a deck Wizards has failed with the mechanics of the set which was the great shame about most of Theros block. "Reveal a dragon" was a mechanic that worked. "Process a card from exile back to graveyard" is something that will hopefully work too.
Great card. Might be able to pick them up cheap early if people aren't onto it.
Now I know Eldrazi processor control is going to be a deck. If it isn't a deck Wizards has failed with the mechanics of the set which was the great shame about most of Theros block. "Reveal a dragon" was a mechanic that worked. "Process a card from exile back to graveyard" is something that will hopefully work too.
Not to get offtopic, but both Heroic and Constellation were serious decks.
Wondering if this might be sideboard only? Kind of worthless against most of monored/burn. Or maybe 1-2 in main, the other 1-2 in the side?
Depends what form Red takes post-rotation. If this card was in Standard today, I'd be pretty content to steal Firecraft, Stoke, and against Goblins, Rabblemaster or Outburst. I'd certainly be a lot happier with it in my hand game 1 against red than I was with Thoughtseize.
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I think is getting severely overrated. 2 mana is MASSIVE. What discard spells have ever been played? Cabal Therapy. 1 mana. Thoughtseize. 1 mana. Inquisition. 1 mana. Duress/Despise/Ostracize/Shattered Dreams. 1 Mana. Raven's Crime. 1 mana. At 2 mana you get Distress, which can get ANY card or Hymn.
And even at one mana, would this card even be better than Inquisition most of the time? Sure, sometimes exile or colorless would matter but most of the time you'd rather have the guarantee of hitting something.
To me this is pretty strictly a control sideboard card. It is still playable, but I'd never maindeck a two mana discard spell that can't hit aggro.
I think is getting severely overrated. 2 mana is MASSIVE. What discard spells have ever been played? Cabal Therapy. 1 mana. Thoughtseize. 1 mana. Inquisition. 1 mana. Duress/Despise/Ostracize/Shattered Dreams. 1 Mana. Raven's Crime. 1 mana. At 2 mana you get Distress, which can get ANY card or Hymn.
And even at one mana, would this card even be better than Inquisition most of the time? Sure, sometimes exile or colorless would matter but most of the time you'd rather have the guarantee of hitting something.
To me this is pretty strictly a control sideboard card. It is still playable, but I'd never maindeck a two mana discard spell that can't hit aggro.
Agreed. How inefficient must standard get for this card to be good? I hope we're not set to find out.
Inquisition of Kozilek is not here because Kozilek isn't there to inquisit. Khans and dragons had despise and duress. There is a decent chance of Kozilek being in the next set, there is a lot of hints about him on his named cards, but he isn't in the set. So what i am saying IoK could be in Oath of gatewatch a long with Kozilek.
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I don't see the Eldrazi hate in this card aside from what it hits. It in fact wants to go in Eldrazi Grixis control, which appears to be where they are taking them. This card is clearly meant to deal with midrange and later threats after you've laid your Herald of Kozilek while also providing fuel for your processors, including the very trendy looking Ulamog's Nullifier.
I would say the big downfall of this card is it only really works in its own cultivated format where you are lowering it's cost midgame with a Herald, the exile is relevant to fueling your midgame plan, and you want to push out removal/wraths to keep your stuff on board. Essentially, it will likely only work within the context of BfZ Eldrazi tribal.
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I don't know about that. Even in a deck without any processors, this can get rid of raptors and rhinos from abzan in a way that den protector (and the new big eternal witness) can't get back, which is kind of a big deal right now. It also can get rid of ugins and other dragons against control decks in a way that stops them from using Haven to get them back. The exile is going to be very relevant in this standard in more ways than just processors.
This will almost definitely see sideboard play in standard. It's definitely not main-deck material, but standard rarely has targeted discard in the main.
You're certainly not wrong, I'm just shooting from the hip here. But Thoughtseize has seen tons of play over the past two years in the main deck, so I'm not sure where you're coming from saying that Standard doesn't use main-deck discard. This is Thoughtseize's replacement, so looking at it for maindeck potential is natural.
Anafenza, the Foremost
Siege Rhino
Wingmate Roc
all 5 Charms
Ruinous Path (as assumed replacement for Hero's Downfall)
most planeswalkers
Exquisite Firecraft
Mantis Rider
new 1UU counterspell
all dragons (DL Ojutai, Silumgar, DL Atarka, Thunderbreak, Icefall)
Dig Through Time
Dragonlord's Prerogative
all Eldrazi (if it even becomes a thing)
Deathmist Raptor
Starfield of Nyx
and probably a lot more.
Now I know Eldrazi processor control is going to be a deck. If it isn't a deck Wizards has failed with the mechanics of the set which was the great shame about most of Theros block. "Reveal a dragon" was a mechanic that worked. "Process a card from exile back to graveyard" is something that will hopefully work too.
Not to get offtopic, but both Heroic and Constellation were serious decks.
Depends what form Red takes post-rotation. If this card was in Standard today, I'd be pretty content to steal Firecraft, Stoke, and against Goblins, Rabblemaster or Outburst. I'd certainly be a lot happier with it in my hand game 1 against red than I was with Thoughtseize.
And even at one mana, would this card even be better than Inquisition most of the time? Sure, sometimes exile or colorless would matter but most of the time you'd rather have the guarantee of hitting something.
To me this is pretty strictly a control sideboard card. It is still playable, but I'd never maindeck a two mana discard spell that can't hit aggro.
Agreed. How inefficient must standard get for this card to be good? I hope we're not set to find out.
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