Zendikari expeditions are 25 full art premium mythic rares that can appear in bfz boosters, they consist of 10 shocks, 10 fetches and 5 new bfz duals. There will also be 20 in the winter set.
Can you give me your source for the 20 in the winter set quote?
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Zendikari expeditions are 25 full art premium mythic rares that can appear in bfz boosters, they consist of 10 shocks, 10 fetches and 5 new bfz duals. There will also be 20 in the winter set.
Can you give me your source for the 20 in the winter set quote?
Zendikari expeditions are 25 full art premium mythic rares that can appear in bfz boosters, they consist of 10 shocks, 10 fetches and 5 new bfz duals. There will also be 20 in the winter set.
Can you give me your source for the 20 in the winter set quote?
They talked about it on the reveal show. And if you check the pictures of the spoiled full art foils their collectors number goes up to 45, 25 now and 20 later.
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Trying to work out 20 for winter, I'm going go speculate on 10 man lands there though
10 Man Lands might work - someone will have to check the templating to see if it will fit on the "full-art" non-basic text box.
Given that, so far, all the spoiled cards care about basic land types - I think the check lands are probably a solid guess for 10 of the cards.
My SWAG would be - they break the reprint policy solely for reprinting the ABU dual lands for the other 10. They are the only other dual land set that fits all of the same features of the current list we know (all deal with basic land types) aside from the Mirage fetches, and there's only 5 of them. I also think there's almost no way they would devalue the originals at the rarity, and the premium nature, so these (and these alone) may not cause too much uproar.
I will be seriously surprised if, when the dust clears, any of these full-art lands are under $150 just due to demand (people who need 4 of all 45). The more popular ones will likely be Tarmogoyf or higher levels.
I would love that, but I seriously doubt, they would break the reprint policy as they basically are under contract to not be able to... There would likely be legal ramifications if they do.
Zendikari expeditions are 25 full art premium mythic rares that can appear in bfz boosters, they consist of 10 shocks, 10 fetches and 5 new bfz duals. There will also be 20 in the winter set.
Can you give me your source for the 20 in the winter set quote?
Mark Rosewater said it at PAX, you can watch the video on YouTube. There are other threads specifically talking about it. The legwork required to verify it would have been nearly non-existent.
The cards, if you view the set number, are numbered out of 45. It was stated clearly that 5 of the 45 would be the new ally colored duals. And that another 20 would be other lands, and there would be a different 20 in the winter set. At the very end of the video, they showed a Shockland and a Fetch land in the new full art.
Trying to work out 20 for winter, I'm going go speculate on 10 man lands there though
10 Man Lands might work - someone will have to check the templating to see if it will fit on the "full-art" non-basic text box.
Given that, so far, all the spoiled cards care about basic land types - I think the check lands are probably a solid guess for 10 of the cards.
My SWAG would be - they break the reprint policy solely for reprinting the ABU dual lands for the other 10. They are the only other dual land set that fits all of the same features of the current list we know (all deal with basic land types) aside from the Mirage fetches, and there's only 5 of them. I also think there's almost no way they would devalue the originals at the rarity, and the premium nature, so these (and these alone) may not cause too much uproar.
I will be seriously surprised if, when the dust clears, any of these full-art lands are under $150 just due to demand (people who need 4 of all 45). The more popular ones will likely be Tarmogoyf or higher levels.
I would love that, but I seriously doubt, they would break the reprint policy as they basically are under contract to not be able to... There would likely be legal ramifications if they do.
They never made an actual legal contract. They just said they wouldn't reprint them. They took the commons off of the reserved list. They could take the duals off if they wanted to.
Trying to work out 20 for winter, I'm going go speculate on 10 man lands there though
10 Man Lands might work - someone will have to check the templating to see if it will fit on the "full-art" non-basic text box.
Given that, so far, all the spoiled cards care about basic land types - I think the check lands are probably a solid guess for 10 of the cards.
My SWAG would be - they break the reprint policy solely for reprinting the ABU dual lands for the other 10. They are the only other dual land set that fits all of the same features of the current list we know (all deal with basic land types) aside from the Mirage fetches, and there's only 5 of them. I also think there's almost no way they would devalue the originals at the rarity, and the premium nature, so these (and these alone) may not cause too much uproar.
I will be seriously surprised if, when the dust clears, any of these full-art lands are under $150 just due to demand (people who need 4 of all 45). The more popular ones will likely be Tarmogoyf or higher levels.
I would love that, but I seriously doubt, they would break the reprint policy as they basically are under contract to not be able to... There would likely be legal ramifications if they do.
They never made an actual legal contract. They just said they wouldn't reprint them. They took the commons off of the reserved list. They could take the duals off if they wanted to.
Maybe but unless I held one in my hand, I would not believe it. I really doubt we will ever see those reprinted in any fashion, as much as I would like to see them.
Ugh, my wallet hurts. I'm not asking for a Yugioh economy but damn I wish wizards would reprint optimal manabases necessary to competitive play consistently and openly enough to keep prices accessible. I've always understood powerful and rare cards like Jace, The Mind Sculptor being expensive but the cards you need to just play magic optimally in the first place shouldn't get reprinted like this, as ultra rare and inaccessible pseudo foil mythics. This is a little insulting. I guess I'll never understand the hardcore collector mindset that lives behind the veneer of a fun game. Hopefully the OG Zen Fetches go down a bit and these expedition lands don't preclude enemy fetches from being reprinted in the Winter set.
Ugh, my wallet hurts. I'm not asking for a Yugioh economy but damn I wish wizards would reprint optimal manabases necessary to competitive play consistently and openly enough to keep prices accessible. I've always understood powerful and rare cards like Jace, The Mind Sculptor being expensive but the cards you need to just play magic optimally in the first place shouldn't get reprinted like this, as ultra rare and inaccessible pseudo foil mythics. This is a little insulting. I guess I'll never understand the hardcore collector mindset that lives behind the veneer of a fun game. Hopefully the OG Zen Fetches go down a bit and these expedition lands don't preclude enemy fetches from being reprinted in the Winter set.
You do not need these specific cards to play optimally. You can get most of these reprints for ~$20 and only 5 of these reprints costs significantly more than $20.
Stupid question: Does them being reprinted in this set, even as premiums, have any impact as Standard legality goes, or no?
(My GUT feeling is saying premium = yes on modern, duh, but no on Standard (partly also because having all 10 shocks and all 10 fetches legal at the same time + these new lands might be a little bonkers), but someone more knowledgeable than I can chime in.)
Stupid question: Does them being reprinted in this set, even as premiums, have any impact as Standard legality goes, or no?
(My GUT feeling is saying premium = yes on modern, duh, but no on Standard (partly also because having all 10 shocks and all 10 fetches legal at the same time + these new lands might be a little bonkers), but someone more knowledgeable than I can chime in.)
They said they will only be legal in formats where they are already legal. So fetches/shocks are not standard legal. You can play them in limited though.
Zendikari expeditions are 25 full art premium mythic rares that can appear in bfz boosters, they consist of 10 shocks, 10 fetches and 5 new bfz duals. There will also be 20 in the winter set.
It's as if a million wallets suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced.
Ugh, my wallet hurts. I'm not asking for a Yugioh economy but damn I wish wizards would reprint optimal manabases necessary to competitive play consistently and openly enough to keep prices accessible. I've always understood powerful and rare cards like Jace, The Mind Sculptor being expensive but the cards you need to just play magic optimally in the first place shouldn't get reprinted like this, as ultra rare and inaccessible pseudo foil mythics. This is a little insulting. I guess I'll never understand the hardcore collector mindset that lives behind the veneer of a fun game. Hopefully the OG Zen Fetches go down a bit and these expedition lands don't preclude enemy fetches from being reprinted in the Winter set.
You do not need these specific cards to play optimally. You can get most of these reprints for ~$20 and only 5 of these reprints costs significantly more than $20.
It's really odd to me that you think you know what I need to play optimally, that you have reached into my mind to determine the manabases of my decks so that you could tell me that I'm overreacting because I don't need these cards. That's actually an incredible talent.
Biting sarcasm aside, Lands being under $20 isn't really "accessible". How acclimated we as a player base have become to rare land prices makes me laugh honestly. I just don't really understand why something that literally 99% of decks in every format need to play the game competitively, optimal lands(dependent on the format, temples in standard, shocks and fetches in eternal, etc), are subjected to the same rarity system as cards that will only get played in a comparatively minuscule percentage of decks that have a need for their specific ability. Of course lands would be this expensive in a such a situation, wizards prints them at the same rate as cards that are needed far less universally. And this is why we as a player base are more excited about wizards reprinting good lands than printing/reprinting good actual cards, something that's incredibly depressing from my perspective.
Well, all of that aside I'm sure I'm about to get the whole "then don't play it's just a game more cards for me" thing thrown at me, as this is the internet and I have posted my opinion out in the open, but such is life I guess.
I really don't know what to make of this. Will this cause regular, non-foil fetches go up ( because no regular reprint ) OR down ( because still some kind of reprint )?
I really don't know what to make of this. Will this cause regular, non-foil fetches go up ( because no regular reprint ) OR down ( because still some kind of reprint )?
Probably won't have much of an affect on the price. The only thing I can see happening is the artificial spike induced by Rosewater's comment on them not being reprinted in BfZ on his tumblr subsiding, but other than that don't expect much. This is strictly a move to motivate buyers to crack packs and to give collectors something to run after.
I personally think original prints will go down a little bit at first because of people who already own the originals picking these up and getting rid of their old ones to offset the price. You can always count on people with a lot more money than me to 'pimp' out their decks. But in the same vein those originals will get bought fast driving the prices right back again.
I really don't know what to make of this. Will this cause regular, non-foil fetches go up ( because no regular reprint ) OR down ( because still some kind of reprint )?
I don't think it will have much effect either way on the prices of any of the regular fetches. These new alternate / almost full art "hidden treasures" will be separate chase cards in and of themselves.
They never made an actual legal contract. They just said they wouldn't reprint them. They took the commons off of the reserved list. They could take the duals off if they wanted to.
They don't need to have made a legal contract.
I don't remember the exact legal term for it (maybe somebody else can help me out, here?) but essentially, when WotC created the RL, this amounted to issuing guidance to customers by which those customers could make financial decisions. And WotC is now on the hook for issuing that guidance.
To draw a parallel, let's say that your local comic book store has some kind of membership card. Pay $10 once, and you get 10% off your pull list purchases for life. If you pay that $10, you're doing so based on the guidance the store has issued you about your future 10% discount. If you came in the next week, having paid your $10, and they said, "Nope, we aren't doing the membership thing anymore", you would have a solid legal case against them for that $10, at the very least. You bought the membership because of certain financial assurances made by the comic book shop.
The same thing goes for the RL. If WotC broke the RL, and anybody can show that they realized losses on the value of their RL cards afterwards, they could come after WotC for those losses. WotC's legal team realized that those people would probably prevail against WotC in court, or at least eat up so much of their legal department's time that it would give them nightmares. WotC does not want to get sued by every penny-ante RL collector every time there's a downturn in the secondary market, which is almost certainly what would happen if they broke the RL. (I suspect it's what did happen after they broke it the last time.)
So, it ain't happening. Not as long as Magic is produced by the company that issued said guidance (WotC). Sad, but apparently that's just the reality of things.
Odd collector numbering in this set - Arid Mesa is 24/45, Steam Vents is 12/45. That means they aren't numbered strictly alphabetically, and the fetches don't start on a boundary divisible by 5. Meaning one group of cards likely isn't a full cycle (5 or 10).
Trying to work out 20 for winter, I'm going go speculate on 10 man lands there though
10 Man Lands might work - someone will have to check the templating to see if it will fit on the "full-art" non-basic text box.
Given that, so far, all the spoiled cards care about basic land types - I think the check lands are probably a solid guess for 10 of the cards.
My SWAG would be - they break the reprint policy solely for reprinting the ABU dual lands for the other 10. They are the only other dual land set that fits all of the same features of the current list we know (all deal with basic land types) aside from the Mirage fetches, and there's only 5 of them. I also think there's almost no way they would devalue the originals at the rarity, and the premium nature, so these (and these alone) may not cause too much uproar.
I will be seriously surprised if, when the dust clears, any of these full-art lands are under $150 just due to demand (people who need 4 of all 45). The more popular ones will likely be Tarmogoyf or higher levels.
I would love that, but I seriously doubt, they would break the reprint policy as they basically are under contract to not be able to... There would likely be legal ramifications if they do.
They never made an actual legal contract. They just said they wouldn't reprint them. They took the commons off of the reserved list. They could take the duals off if they wanted to.
I have a feeling they did make a contract, albeit as part of Hasbro's purchase of WotC. Not a contract with the public but a contract with some of the previous owners to honour their promises.
So for the twenty for the next set, to me, the obvious inclusions are the five man-lands (plus the enemy cycle, if it appears), as well as the cycle of Future Sight lands.
Can you give me your source for the 20 in the winter set quote?
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They talked about it on the reveal show. And if you check the pictures of the spoiled full art foils their collectors number goes up to 45, 25 now and 20 later.
http://www.twitch.tv/magic/v/13509207
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I would love that, but I seriously doubt, they would break the reprint policy as they basically are under contract to not be able to... There would likely be legal ramifications if they do.
Mark Rosewater said it at PAX, you can watch the video on YouTube. There are other threads specifically talking about it. The legwork required to verify it would have been nearly non-existent.
The cards, if you view the set number, are numbered out of 45. It was stated clearly that 5 of the 45 would be the new ally colored duals. And that another 20 would be other lands, and there would be a different 20 in the winter set. At the very end of the video, they showed a Shockland and a Fetch land in the new full art.
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They never made an actual legal contract. They just said they wouldn't reprint them. They took the commons off of the reserved list. They could take the duals off if they wanted to.
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Doubtful, they are brand new prints, not purchased older cards added in.
Maybe but unless I held one in my hand, I would not believe it. I really doubt we will ever see those reprinted in any fashion, as much as I would like to see them.
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You do not need these specific cards to play optimally. You can get most of these reprints for ~$20 and only 5 of these reprints costs significantly more than $20.
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(My GUT feeling is saying premium = yes on modern, duh, but no on Standard (partly also because having all 10 shocks and all 10 fetches legal at the same time + these new lands might be a little bonkers), but someone more knowledgeable than I can chime in.)
They said they will only be legal in formats where they are already legal. So fetches/shocks are not standard legal. You can play them in limited though.
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Impressive, most impressive, WOTC.
It's really odd to me that you think you know what I need to play optimally, that you have reached into my mind to determine the manabases of my decks so that you could tell me that I'm overreacting because I don't need these cards. That's actually an incredible talent.
Biting sarcasm aside, Lands being under $20 isn't really "accessible". How acclimated we as a player base have become to rare land prices makes me laugh honestly. I just don't really understand why something that literally 99% of decks in every format need to play the game competitively, optimal lands(dependent on the format, temples in standard, shocks and fetches in eternal, etc), are subjected to the same rarity system as cards that will only get played in a comparatively minuscule percentage of decks that have a need for their specific ability. Of course lands would be this expensive in a such a situation, wizards prints them at the same rate as cards that are needed far less universally. And this is why we as a player base are more excited about wizards reprinting good lands than printing/reprinting good actual cards, something that's incredibly depressing from my perspective.
Well, all of that aside I'm sure I'm about to get the whole "then don't play it's just a game more cards for me" thing thrown at me, as this is the internet and I have posted my opinion out in the open, but such is life I guess.
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I really don't know what to make of this. Will this cause regular, non-foil fetches go up ( because no regular reprint ) OR down ( because still some kind of reprint )?
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Probably won't have much of an affect on the price. The only thing I can see happening is the artificial spike induced by Rosewater's comment on them not being reprinted in BfZ on his tumblr subsiding, but other than that don't expect much. This is strictly a move to motivate buyers to crack packs and to give collectors something to run after.
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RGBUGood Ole' DredgeUBGR
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UBRWBreya, Etherium ArchitectWRBU
A Prolific Loser To Blood Moon
I don't think it will have much effect either way on the prices of any of the regular fetches. These new alternate / almost full art "hidden treasures" will be separate chase cards in and of themselves.
I don't remember the exact legal term for it (maybe somebody else can help me out, here?) but essentially, when WotC created the RL, this amounted to issuing guidance to customers by which those customers could make financial decisions. And WotC is now on the hook for issuing that guidance.
To draw a parallel, let's say that your local comic book store has some kind of membership card. Pay $10 once, and you get 10% off your pull list purchases for life. If you pay that $10, you're doing so based on the guidance the store has issued you about your future 10% discount. If you came in the next week, having paid your $10, and they said, "Nope, we aren't doing the membership thing anymore", you would have a solid legal case against them for that $10, at the very least. You bought the membership because of certain financial assurances made by the comic book shop.
The same thing goes for the RL. If WotC broke the RL, and anybody can show that they realized losses on the value of their RL cards afterwards, they could come after WotC for those losses. WotC's legal team realized that those people would probably prevail against WotC in court, or at least eat up so much of their legal department's time that it would give them nightmares. WotC does not want to get sued by every penny-ante RL collector every time there's a downturn in the secondary market, which is almost certainly what would happen if they broke the RL. (I suspect it's what did happen after they broke it the last time.)
So, it ain't happening. Not as long as Magic is produced by the company that issued said guidance (WotC). Sad, but apparently that's just the reality of things.
I have a feeling they did make a contract, albeit as part of Hasbro's purchase of WotC. Not a contract with the public but a contract with some of the previous owners to honour their promises.
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