I'm still waiting for a new 5C changeling general so I can play tribal; Allies, Angels, Humans, Eldrazi, etc. Stupid EDH color identity rules. I'm not expecting it in this set though. But I'm hoping they do this sooner than later.
You know what I'd really like? Gemstone Mine.
It's unresserved, uncommon, inexpensive penta-color mana fixing that has never been printed non-foil in the Modern border despite being Modern-legal. It wouldn't hurt anyone to make it common for this product and put one in each deck along Command Tower, Opal Palace, refuges and gates for fixing. C14 was the best so far because it didn't suffer from having to support 2+ colors on a singleton, un/common manabase.
Meteor Crater would also be a great reprint if they could bend the rule of Rares only appearing on a single deck.
That "rule" actually only applies to the new cards. Sol Ring, for example, is an uncommon that appears in all 5 decks, not just 3 of them. Reprints are printed at their original rarity, and put in as appropriate.
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I'd like to see some commanders that have alternative win conditions, I don't mean commanders that mill other players, I'm thinking more along the lines of a commander with a Maze's End like ability that could be fun to build around. Though, rather than "win the game" it would probably be more multiplayer friendly to say "target player loses the game" so LGS that host commander tournaments will be able to assign 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th more easily.
I'd also would like to see WOTC release a new group hug general in one of the pre-constructed decks, though enemy colored pairs might be not the best place the fit one in.
Target player loses the game is far more multiplayer un-friendly, as it means someone needs to sit out the game. Also, the table fear at such an effect is pretty toxic and unpleasant, knowing that once it's active all that one person has done is meaningless, and you can only hope the fates don't pick you. Ye old Door to Nothingness attribute.
I'm really hoping the WB is good. I'm quite fond of bleeder decks. Extort, Drana's Emissary, Gary, Debt to the Deathless etc. Lots of small effects that impact everyone, and before you know it you've built up a dominant position and they never even realised it was happening. Who cares about losing 1 point of life, right?
I'm not sure your card works how you want, since the player wouldn't get the chance to counter the spell since it chooses the player on resolution.
Yeah, to work the way he wants it to it would have to say something like "When ~ resolves, the chosen player may pay 2. If that player does, he or she does not lose the game. Put a copy of ~ on the stack."
That fall of the dice card would be grossly stupid and out of color. In a green ramp deck capable of generating tons of mana that deck is way favored. Not so much in UR. You'd have to word it like asmallcat says or something along those lines the way you worded it the 2nd clause means nothing as said player has already lost the game.
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If it's confirmed to be enemy-colored guilds, we're getting one enemy-color fetchland in each deck, guaranteed. It's such an obvious inclusion and fans have been clamoring for these for so long.
The inclusion of a fetchland is near guaranteed. The inclusion of a Zendikar one is definitely not, though... I could really see them completing the Mirage ETBT fetch cycle for these decks.
That would be a waste of five new card slots. If we can't get Zendikar fetches, just give us the old Evolving Wilds standby cards and save the slots for something Legacy-playable or at least creative.
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Getting enemy-color Commander decks is a pretty exciting prospect, especially after C14 was such a home run.
There's lots to speculate and get excited about:
- Will these be headlined by planeswalkers as well?
- Some of the common guild themes already exist as Commander decks: Izzet's spell-matters with Jelava, Orzhov's life gain/drain with Oloro, Golgari's graveyard-matters with The Mimeoplasm. Will these decks revisit those themes or go elsewhere? What other themes might be appropriate?
- Which "returning legends" will be included? Any chance it will be the gods, Keranos and company?
- I like the idea of finishing the Mirage fetch cycle, especially if they concept them as looking like they came from Jamuraa. I like completed cycles as well as enemy-themed nonbasics. What else could they do? The Sungrass Prairie cycle from Odyssey?
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Enemy colors of Mossfire Valley / Skycloud Expanse type lands would be awesome and really isn't asking for much. As much as I'd like enemy fetches, commander isn't where they'll reprint them but the others are a reasonable expectation.
Enemy colors of Mossfire Valley / Skycloud Expanse type lands would be awesome and really isn't asking for much. As much as I'd like enemy fetches, commander isn't where they'll reprint them but the others are a reasonable expectation.
Two years ago prior to the Theros temples and new Zendikar duals (and new utility lands like the Blighted cycle) I'd have agreed with you, but at this point I'm not sure there is much room for enemy versions of the old filters in all but the most budget decks. It was already a pain in the butt finding room for Blighted Fens and Blighted Woodlands and Mortuary Mires, etc.
Please reprint Tragic Poet in the new border and Nimbus Maze in a regular one with the same art.
So you haven't read anything in this thread then? These are enemy colored decks.
Make enemy lands of same design. Reprint ally ones in next CMD set. Problem solved.
This assumes 2 things. That Nimbus Maze, and a similar cycle are worth reprinting from a gameplay standpoint and that next years Commanders will have some type of way to include allied colored lands.
1. That land cycle is terrible. It is just a bad version of Checklands 90% of the time. They will never complete this cycle.
Enemy colors of Mossfire Valley / Skycloud Expanse type lands would be awesome and really isn't asking for much. As much as I'd like enemy fetches, commander isn't where they'll reprint them but the others are a reasonable expectation.
Two years ago prior to the Theros temples and new Zendikar duals (and new utility lands like the Blighted cycle) I'd have agreed with you, but at this point I'm not sure there is much room for enemy versions of the old filters in all but the most budget decks. It was already a pain in the butt finding room for Blighted Fens and Blighted Woodlands and Mortuary Mires, etc.
Boo to temples, comes into play tapped doesn't help most decks. New zendikar duals are fine for 2 color but these would enter untapped and work better in 3 colors than filter lands or the 2 you mentioned. They'd get used. I have w/u in my Narset and r/g in my Animar, I'd love to be able to have full cycles. Bottom line is they're a reasonable thing to ask for and they are playable and would be nice for wedge colored and enemy colored edh decks.
Boo to temples, comes into play tapped doesn't help most decks. New zendikar duals are fine for 2 color but these would enter untapped and work better in 3 colors than filter lands or the 2 you mentioned. They'd get used. I have w/u in my Narset and r/g in my Animar, I'd love to be able to have full cycles. Bottom line is they're a reasonable thing to ask for and they are playable and would be nice for wedge colored and enemy colored edh decks.
Six of one, half dozen of the other. Sure the Temples come in tapped, but it nets you a scry. The Odyssey filters don't come in tapped, but they don't do anything if you don't have a free mana. That's been just as problematic for me as often as has the ETB tapped clause on the temples, and the filters don't give you a scry for your troubles.
I do think the old-school filters are a bit underappreciated, but they're quickly getting bumped out of the few lists where I can find room for them. YMMV I guess.
I love the Odyssey filters. Converting colorless mana into colors comes in so handy. I don't know that I'd run more than two in a deck because they don't go too well together, but I'm a fan of one or two in most multicolor decks.
Odyssey filters are nice, but I'd rather them just go straight to Lorwyn filters as to not take up 5 slots of the new cards by making enemy Odyssey filters.
If we are dreaming about lands, I'd like to see the enemy version of the slow fetches, like Rocky Tar Pit.
Too slow for modern/legacy, still playable in commander.
Heh, I was about to make this *exact* comment-
I doubt they will finish either cycle here,
but I'd much rather have enemy Mirage Fetches over enemy Odyssey Filterlands.
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The commander decks have been pretty solid from the get go. There is always one that is the standout but as a gateway into the format they are fantastic and there are usually enough goodies for us old folks who are established in the format. My wish for this round would be a good cycle of rare lands reprints or otherwise. Eventide filters would be my choice but i doubt that will happen. I don't think they would go Odyssey Filter as i remember reading they don't like printing lands that don't produce mana themselves.
The blue deck was the worst last year for sure. But if you are looking to get into commander and like mono blue it is a good place to start.
First generation decks were pretty powerful and basically all but the Jeskari deck had very powerful commanders. I think they pulled back power wise on the commanders since then, but i have bought every commander deck from each year and don't regret it.
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That "rule" actually only applies to the new cards. Sol Ring, for example, is an uncommon that appears in all 5 decks, not just 3 of them. Reprints are printed at their original rarity, and put in as appropriate.
I'm not sure your card works how you want, since the player wouldn't get the chance to counter the spell since it chooses the player on resolution.
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That would be a waste of five new card slots. If we can't get Zendikar fetches, just give us the old Evolving Wilds standby cards and save the slots for something Legacy-playable or at least creative.
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There's lots to speculate and get excited about:
- Will these be headlined by planeswalkers as well?
- Some of the common guild themes already exist as Commander decks: Izzet's spell-matters with Jelava, Orzhov's life gain/drain with Oloro, Golgari's graveyard-matters with The Mimeoplasm. Will these decks revisit those themes or go elsewhere? What other themes might be appropriate?
- Which "returning legends" will be included? Any chance it will be the gods, Keranos and company?
- I like the idea of finishing the Mirage fetch cycle, especially if they concept them as looking like they came from Jamuraa. I like completed cycles as well as enemy-themed nonbasics. What else could they do? The Sungrass Prairie cycle from Odyssey?
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So you haven't read anything in this thread then? These are enemy colored decks.
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Make enemy lands of same design. Reprint ally ones in next CMD set. Problem solved.
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Two years ago prior to the Theros temples and new Zendikar duals (and new utility lands like the Blighted cycle) I'd have agreed with you, but at this point I'm not sure there is much room for enemy versions of the old filters in all but the most budget decks. It was already a pain in the butt finding room for Blighted Fens and Blighted Woodlands and Mortuary Mires, etc.
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This assumes 2 things. That Nimbus Maze, and a similar cycle are worth reprinting from a gameplay standpoint and that next years Commanders will have some type of way to include allied colored lands.
1. That land cycle is terrible. It is just a bad version of Checklands 90% of the time. They will never complete this cycle.
2. We know nothing about next year's product.
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Boo to temples, comes into play tapped doesn't help most decks. New zendikar duals are fine for 2 color but these would enter untapped and work better in 3 colors than filter lands or the 2 you mentioned. They'd get used. I have w/u in my Narset and r/g in my Animar, I'd love to be able to have full cycles. Bottom line is they're a reasonable thing to ask for and they are playable and would be nice for wedge colored and enemy colored edh decks.
Six of one, half dozen of the other. Sure the Temples come in tapped, but it nets you a scry. The Odyssey filters don't come in tapped, but they don't do anything if you don't have a free mana. That's been just as problematic for me as often as has the ETB tapped clause on the temples, and the filters don't give you a scry for your troubles.
I do think the old-school filters are a bit underappreciated, but they're quickly getting bumped out of the few lists where I can find room for them. YMMV I guess.
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Why do you guys like the new border so much?
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Too slow for modern/legacy, still playable in commander.
Heh, I was about to make this *exact* comment-
I doubt they will finish either cycle here,
but I'd much rather have enemy Mirage Fetches over enemy Odyssey Filterlands.
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First generation decks were pretty powerful and basically all but the Jeskari deck had very powerful commanders. I think they pulled back power wise on the commanders since then, but i have bought every commander deck from each year and don't regret it.
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