Keep in mind some of the Eldrazi stuff is speculated to be reprinted in Fate Reforged.
Whut? Speculated by whom? We are clearly staying on Tarkir for the next 2 sets. We might be headed to Zendikar next block since they have done so much story build up to support it this block that it would be a letdown to not get our epic showdown, but there are quite a few major plots in the multiverse right now, and we might be years away from seeing any eldrazi. I realize that this is pretty off topic for this thread, so please provide me a link to the thread where people are saying such things and I'll go argue with them there
The big thing is how Sorin is looking for Ugin, and it seems like Eldrazi might be escaping, and this is a time travel story so it could be back when the Eldrazi are still loose...or it could maybe be a setup for the next set when the Eldrazi have to be fought again...
I'm still holding out hope that with enough complaining and moaning, wizards will cave a bit and make the print run a bit bigger. The release of the set is still a ways out (not that far mind you) perhaps the length can be altered a bit. Plus whats the worst that could happen? Wizards gets to make even more money and prices for staples goes lower for the players, win win
MM1 had maybe 8 that I wanted, only 3 of them I needed and all of them were for EDH decks so I only needed one copy.... There will probably be less from this set that I need.... (also makes the spaghetti monster a disappointing spoil too)
Will not be drafting or buying packs....
Thats not Wizards fault, I just dont play Modern....
So, here we are again, modern masters 2 and the only thing that's changed is the msrp. If I learned anything from the first mm it's best to just sit around, wait till prices dip and buy some foils that are worth too much a few months later. I'd love to open product, but there's just no way I'm paying 20 € for a pack.
I'm SO SICK of the "too strong for Standard" argument. It's the new "Dies to removal". We can have a two mana 4/4 with a zillion abilities, but we can't just have Accumulated Knowledge. Makes sense.
I bought 1 pack of MM1, opened it up, and felt like that relationship had run its course. For casuals like me this set doesn't have much appeal because I don't play in sanctioned events and I already own the stuff I need. The few cards I don't own are too expensive to buy and the odds of pulling them in a pack will be so small that it's pointless.
Thanks WotC for devaluing cards I got cheap, watched get expensive, and then just held on to them... aka no change.
A $10 price tag is fine assuming I am going to be able to get more than 2 or 3 boxes. The problem I have with the $10 price tag is that I don't want it to end up like MM1 where I bought 3 Boxes pulled a Dark Confidant and the rest was garbage outside of a few Spell Snares and a Sword. The $10 price tag really needs to be a reflection of the ability to obtain playsets of the cards that matter without having to watch Goyf climb as I struggle to find them. Opening 1 Goyf and having it climb to twice the original price before you can obtain copies 2, 3, and 4 is ridiculous. I could understand if I was trying to obtain the card over a period of 2 years, but a matter of weeks? That is bull*****. My only gripe about MM1 is that in the case of the Goyf, the set failed miserably and Goyf was the big reason for picking up Modern Masters for most people. Things like Swords wee gravy. It would have been less of a ***** storm if they did not print such a high demand card at Mythic in a very high demand, very low supply set. I get that they want to have these things have a limited supply and I think that things like this should be limited in supply - if the rarity designation is not completely absurd.
I love all you people saying it was a success at making Modern more accessible because now you can find Goyfs in peoples trade binders. Do you know why you find them in peoples trade binders?
Because so many people opened 1 or 2 and could never obtain copies 2-4 or 3 and 4 for anything reasonable. 1 or 2 Goyfs does not do ***** for anyone wanting to play them - might as well get rid of them and play something else more accessible.
I was stuck in a dilemma of whether I should buy the modern staples I need now, or if I should wait in case a MM reprint lowered their prices. This settles it for me. For every money card in this set there are some $10 junk packs, so this set can't possibly bring down prices enough for me to care. Are these sets actually intended to lower staple prices? It doesn't look like it at all.
The reprints are to increase availability, not affordability. I understand where some would think they are the same, but they are not. Goyfs are $200 but they are available if you need them. Prior to MM that wasnt the case.
Pretty sure you coud go on ebay tcg ect.... and buy goyfs before MM1 was released.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
A $10 price tag is fine assuming I am going to be able to get more than 2 or 3 boxes. The problem I have with the $10 price tag is that I don't want it to end up like MM1 where I bought 3 Boxes pulled a Dark Confidant and the rest was garbage outside of a few Spell Snares and a Sword. The $10 price tag really needs to be a reflection of the ability to obtain playsets of the cards that matter without having to watch Goyf climb as I struggle to find them. Opening 1 Goyf and having it climb to twice the original price before you can obtain copies 2, 3, and 4 is ridiculous. I could understand if I was trying to obtain the card over a period of 2 years, but a matter of weeks? That is bull*****. My only gripe about MM1 is that in the case of the Goyf, the set failed miserably and Goyf was the big reason for picking up Modern Masters for most people. Things like Swords wee gravy. It would have been less of a ***** storm if they did not print such a high demand card at Mythic in a very high demand, very low supply set. I get that they want to have these things have a limited supply and I think that things like this should be limited in supply - if the rarity designation is not completely absurd.
I love all you people saying it was a success at making Modern more accessible because now you can find Goyfs in peoples trade binders. Do you know why you find them in peoples trade binders?
Because so many people opened 1 or 2 and could never obtain copies 2-4 or 3 and 4 for anything reasonable. 1 or 2 Goyfs does not do ***** for anyone wanting to play them - might as well get rid of them and play something else more accessible.
I dont know where you play or trade with, but still at this time there are multiple players that have at least a playset of Goyfs in their trade binder and more then one LGS with multiple play sets for sale. What you are talking about may have happened to a couple people who didnt play a lot of MM1. Opened that Goyf in ther first pack and thought every pack was going to be the same.
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Pretty sure you coud go on ebay tcg ect.... and buy goyfs before MM1 was released.
Sure there may have been a page of auctions on ebay, all singles. Look now. People are selling play sets and there are more then a page of auctions.
SCG occasionally had one here and there. TCG not so much.
when is wotc going to do away with this charade and just start selling singles directly?
Never going to happen. Undermines the LGS directly. Wotc needs LGS to run events and such. To sell direct would hurt LGS, in turn hurt the company.
Couldn't care less for the MSRP, i just want enemy fetchlands reprint so they'll fall around 10-15€ like the tarkir one and i'll finally able to buy them for all my decks
If they print Zen fetches in MM@ then I have bad news for you : / It would take printing in a full print run set to have the kind of price impact you are looking for.
I was stuck in a dilemma of whether I should buy the modern staples I need now, or if I should wait in case a MM reprint lowered their prices. This settles it for me. For every money card in this set there are some $10 junk packs, so this set can't possibly bring down prices enough for me to care. Are these sets actually intended to lower staple prices? It doesn't look like it at all.
The reprints are to increase availability, not affordability. I understand where some would think they are the same, but they are not. Goyfs are $200 but they are available if you need them. Prior to MM that wasnt the case.
Pretty sure you coud go on ebay tcg ect.... and buy goyfs before MM1 was released.
They did exist, but there weren't nearly enough of them to meet any sort of increased demand. I don't remember the exact numbers at the time of MMA's release, but there were only about 100 copies available through TCG player across all sellers. Realistically, less than 50 people in the world would have been able to acquire goyfs and start playing jund at the time, and that ignores anyone who might have been looking for them for legacy (iirc, RUG delver was one of the top legacy decks at the time). It is hard to draw a direct comparison with the number available today though since that was before anyone could sign up as a tcgplayer seller and after the severe drop in popularity of BG decks, but there are hundreds of copies available on the site today.
A $10 price tag is fine assuming I am going to be able to get more than 2 or 3 boxes. The problem I have with the $10 price tag is that I don't want it to end up like MM1 where I bought 3 Boxes pulled a Dark Confidant and the rest was garbage outside of a few Spell Snares and a Sword. The $10 price tag really needs to be a reflection of the ability to obtain playsets of the cards that matter without having to watch Goyf climb as I struggle to find them. Opening 1 Goyf and having it climb to twice the original price before you can obtain copies 2, 3, and 4 is ridiculous. I could understand if I was trying to obtain the card over a period of 2 years, but a matter of weeks? That is bull*****. My only gripe about MM1 is that in the case of the Goyf, the set failed miserably and Goyf was the big reason for picking up Modern Masters for most people. Things like Swords wee gravy. It would have been less of a ***** storm if they did not print such a high demand card at Mythic in a very high demand, very low supply set. I get that they want to have these things have a limited supply and I think that things like this should be limited in supply - if the rarity designation is not completely absurd.
I love all you people saying it was a success at making Modern more accessible because now you can find Goyfs in peoples trade binders. Do you know why you find them in peoples trade binders?
Because so many people opened 1 or 2 and could never obtain copies 2-4 or 3 and 4 for anything reasonable. 1 or 2 Goyfs does not do ***** for anyone wanting to play them - might as well get rid of them and play something else more accessible.
I dont know where you play or trade with, but still at this time there are multiple players that have at least a playset of Goyfs in their trade binder and more then one LGS with multiple play sets for sale. What you are talking about may have happened to a couple people who didnt play a lot of MM1. Opened that Goyf in ther first pack and thought every pack was going to be the same.
In Southern California, this is an anomaly. Not even the shops around here stock Goyf regularly, and there are a **** ton of shops in SoCal. I bought 3 Boxes and also drafted the set practically into oblivion. 4 Goyfs is a lot to obtain unless you are lucky with your draft or were able to obtain more than 3 boxes (or you got lucky with your 3 boxes). I don't know a single soul who thought they were going to open Goyfs left and right, your assumption that people think this way tells me that you probably are not worth having this discussion with and operating on some sort of information bias.
Also, what are they realistically going to add from Kamigawa block? Jitte is banned and pretty much everything else is bunk. (Hoping for Twincast with sick new art though for sure)
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Goryo's Vengence
Disrupting Shoal
Kira, Great Glass Spinner
Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
Erayo, Soratami Ascendant
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You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
So it's $10 a pack at retail? Lots of useless common and uncommon reprints? Because every is buying this set to draft and not collect of course. A limited print run? No reprints of big money cards from Modern Masters One like Gofy? Only 249 cards?
I hope some good Legacy staples are in this set. So that the singles can make their way into Legacy collections. I can't possibly see anyone but the most delusional MTG sycophants being excited by this announcement. Didn't Wizards say that they wanted Modern more accessible? I guess that went out the window almost immediately.
Hmm, wonder what lands they will use. Zendikar fetches will be in the Khans block, right?
Probably a similar set of lands to MM1. A few utility lands and some nonrare land cycle. I wish we could see a filterland reprint, but I think that will come in a block some time in the future.
I (a poor high school student) am perfectly fine with the $10 retail, so long as:
-more realistic print run
-real price doesn't go above $15
-fewer worthless cards like the Kamigawa dragons, Dragonstorm, etc.
-lots of great commons and uncommons (Lightning Bolt, Serum Visions, etc.)
Could be filter lands. Depending on if they print filters or fetches in the next standard sets. They have to reprint it.
Fulminator Mage must be printed at its original rarity. I hate it when Wizards do like what they do with Vial, going from unco to rare. That's just encouraging crazy prices on such unidimensional cards. Without Goyf or any 100$+ staples, we don't want Auriok Savager, Squee or Progenitus in our packs. We want Bitterblossom, Karn, Eleah Norn or Mox Opal.
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2) Every card must be legal in both banlists.
3) No infinite combo that could win (and ruin) instantly a multiplayer game.
4) Synergy at all costs; stay on theme, avoid goodstuff.
To be fair it was not so much Wizards but some of the retailers and other middle men that made things complicated. Because of how the first one went, with the scalping and price gauging, quite a few would be modern players got nothing to brag about out of the MM1.
Personally my experience was less then lack luster, all the stores that had MM1 in my area sold their boxes instead of drafting so I never got to play the draft format of it. And to follow that up I purchased a single pack for twice the MSRP and all I got out of it was a collection of cards equal to the shown MSRP.
The idea is a good one, the problem is the execution of the idea. Because so long as Wizards bottle necks the flow of product there will be those that will try to take advantage of it at the expense of their fellow card collectors/players.
A $10 price tag is fine assuming I am going to be able to get more than 2 or 3 boxes. The problem I have with the $10 price tag is that I don't want it to end up like MM1 where I bought 3 Boxes pulled a Dark Confidant and the rest was garbage outside of a few Spell Snares and a Sword. The $10 price tag really needs to be a reflection of the ability to obtain playsets of the cards that matter without having to watch Goyf climb as I struggle to find them. Opening 1 Goyf and having it climb to twice the original price before you can obtain copies 2, 3, and 4 is ridiculous. I could understand if I was trying to obtain the card over a period of 2 years, but a matter of weeks? That is bull*****. My only gripe about MM1 is that in the case of the Goyf, the set failed miserably and Goyf was the big reason for picking up Modern Masters for most people. Things like Swords wee gravy. It would have been less of a ***** storm if they did not print such a high demand card at Mythic in a very high demand, very low supply set. I get that they want to have these things have a limited supply and I think that things like this should be limited in supply - if the rarity designation is not completely absurd.
I love all you people saying it was a success at making Modern more accessible because now you can find Goyfs in peoples trade binders. Do you know why you find them in peoples trade binders?
Because so many people opened 1 or 2 and could never obtain copies 2-4 or 3 and 4 for anything reasonable. 1 or 2 Goyfs does not do ***** for anyone wanting to play them - might as well get rid of them and play something else more accessible.
I dont know where you play or trade with, but still at this time there are multiple players that have at least a playset of Goyfs in their trade binder and more then one LGS with multiple play sets for sale. What you are talking about may have happened to a couple people who didnt play a lot of MM1. Opened that Goyf in ther first pack and thought every pack was going to be the same.
In Southern California, this is an anomaly. Not even the shops around here stock Goyf regularly, and there are a **** ton of shops in SoCal. I bought 3 Boxes and also drafted the set practically into oblivion. 4 Goyfs is a lot to obtain unless you are lucky with your draft or were able to obtain more than 3 boxes (or you got lucky with your 3 boxes). I don't know a single soul who thought they were going to open Goyfs left and right, your assumption that people think this way tells me that you probably are not worth having this discussion with and operating on some sort of information bias.
If you are opening boxes to get a play-set of goyfs...you are doing it wrong.
I was opening the product as it was apparently intended - draft and to give me access to Modern.
Guess what? I hardly play Modern because what I opened ended up being garbage or the format outside of the partial play set of Dark Confidants and Goyfs I managed to get my hands on through opening the product.
Even people like myself, who never buy expansion sets as sealed product, purchased Modern Masters sealed product to be able to start breaking into the format. That is saying something about accessibility and how it needs to be better defined from a marketing standpoint. Modern masters suffered from ambiguity when it came to it's initial intent and WOTC was able to profit from that ambiguity. You want to talk about breaking consumer confidence, MM was a great way to do it.
I am glad that some of you happened to pick up full playsets of Goyfs and Bobs from simply enjoying your limited experience, but there a a ***** ton of people who didn't and there are also a ***** ton of people who purchased the sealed product and played limited, who would normally not simply because they masked their intent as making the format more accessible, which it really did not.
"It DID make the format more accessible because you can now find Goyf in trade binders and shop cases often."
Guess what? Now people are paying $175 for Goyfs they can find in binders instead of paying $90 for Goyfs they COULDN'T find in binders.
Stop being so naive about the success of Modern masters and being adamant that the marketing stand point used clearly defined terms and the consumers should not be pissed off as **** about how MM1 went down.
I would still draft Modern Masters if the chance came up again, because outside of Vintage Masters it is the best limited experience I have had and I otherwise hate limited. But just because I liked Modern Masters 1 limited does not mean I am going to like MM2 limited by default and at a $10 price tag, if the goal is the same as MM1, I do not trust WOTC to be purchasing sealed product of MM2 because the content was Modern garbage for the most part meaning my $10 is probably still invested in buying singles. Therein lies the problem with the MM series, people want chances to broaden their Modern collection of playable cards which is why sealed product is nice - I can buy sealed product to help me gather the other cards I am not intent on playing, so that when I want to play them I can. But if all those "other cards" are things like Kiega, the Tide Star, Doubling Season, Molten Disaster, and SO many others, then the product doesn't actually ease the accessibility of the Modern format. They do not all have to be staples, but they don't all have to be mythic, common and uncommon either.
There are too many people assuming that people were opening the product looking for specific cards, or expecting to crack Goyf like it was Christmas morning. The fact is, a lot of people opened it to try broadening their Modern playable collection, giving them more access to modern and that simply is not what happened at all. Any argument for Goyf showing up in trade binders and shop cases meaning the format is more accessible is not very valid considering they were MUCH cheaper when they were "hard to find" and you could still buy them online, even in complete playsets. Anyone stating that the format became more accessible because there were plenty of good modern cards, are kidding themselves if they think cards like Elspeth, Knight Errant, the Kami Dragons, or even the Swords were cards that are actually played in modern and preventing people from playing modern based on accessibility.
A $10 price tag is fine assuming I am going to be able to get more than 2 or 3 boxes. The problem I have with the $10 price tag is that I don't want it to end up like MM1 where I bought 3 Boxes pulled a Dark Confidant and the rest was garbage outside of a few Spell Snares and a Sword. The $10 price tag really needs to be a reflection of the ability to obtain playsets of the cards that matter without having to watch Goyf climb as I struggle to find them. Opening 1 Goyf and having it climb to twice the original price before you can obtain copies 2, 3, and 4 is ridiculous. I could understand if I was trying to obtain the card over a period of 2 years, but a matter of weeks? That is bull*****. My only gripe about MM1 is that in the case of the Goyf, the set failed miserably and Goyf was the big reason for picking up Modern Masters for most people. Things like Swords wee gravy. It would have been less of a ***** storm if they did not print such a high demand card at Mythic in a very high demand, very low supply set. I get that they want to have these things have a limited supply and I think that things like this should be limited in supply - if the rarity designation is not completely absurd.
I love all you people saying it was a success at making Modern more accessible because now you can find Goyfs in peoples trade binders. Do you know why you find them in peoples trade binders?
Because so many people opened 1 or 2 and could never obtain copies 2-4 or 3 and 4 for anything reasonable. 1 or 2 Goyfs does not do ***** for anyone wanting to play them - might as well get rid of them and play something else more accessible.
I dont know where you play or trade with, but still at this time there are multiple players that have at least a playset of Goyfs in their trade binder and more then one LGS with multiple play sets for sale. What you are talking about may have happened to a couple people who didnt play a lot of MM1. Opened that Goyf in ther first pack and thought every pack was going to be the same.
In Southern California, this is an anomaly. Not even the shops around here stock Goyf regularly, and there are a **** ton of shops in SoCal. I bought 3 Boxes and also drafted the set practically into oblivion. 4 Goyfs is a lot to obtain unless you are lucky with your draft or were able to obtain more than 3 boxes (or you got lucky with your 3 boxes). I don't know a single soul who thought they were going to open Goyfs left and right, your assumption that people think this way tells me that you probably are not worth having this discussion with and operating on some sort of information bias.
Just from drafting, I got 6 Goyfs and 2 play sets of Bobs on top some sweet foils and other mythic and rares. So I drafted the set quite a bit. I didnt 'expect' anything. I was hoping to break even drafting and I did very well.
I am just saying I heard the people your are explaining. They thought every pack they would open was going to be more then they paid for it. It was unrealistic thinking.
I know many people that got play sets from drafting. So I dont know what you consider drafting 'a lot'.
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I've read stuff about it in a couple places. Here's a few links.
http://www.examiner.com/article/mark-rosewater-teases-at-eldrazi-on-tarkir
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/speculation/570529-time-travel-block-structure
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-storyline/storyline-speculation/572198-my-theory-for-khans-of-tarkir-fate-reforged-and
The big thing is how Sorin is looking for Ugin, and it seems like Eldrazi might be escaping, and this is a time travel story so it could be back when the Eldrazi are still loose...or it could maybe be a setup for the next set when the Eldrazi have to be fought again...
MM1 had maybe 8 that I wanted, only 3 of them I needed and all of them were for EDH decks so I only needed one copy.... There will probably be less from this set that I need.... (also makes the spaghetti monster a disappointing spoil too)
Will not be drafting or buying packs....
Thats not Wizards fault, I just dont play Modern....
And here's a bigger version from the announcement video:
http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/temporary-attachments/9/988/635535527642612169.png
Thanks WotC for devaluing cards I got cheap, watched get expensive, and then just held on to them... aka no change.
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I love all you people saying it was a success at making Modern more accessible because now you can find Goyfs in peoples trade binders. Do you know why you find them in peoples trade binders?
Because so many people opened 1 or 2 and could never obtain copies 2-4 or 3 and 4 for anything reasonable. 1 or 2 Goyfs does not do ***** for anyone wanting to play them - might as well get rid of them and play something else more accessible.
Pretty sure you coud go on ebay tcg ect.... and buy goyfs before MM1 was released.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
I dont know where you play or trade with, but still at this time there are multiple players that have at least a playset of Goyfs in their trade binder and more then one LGS with multiple play sets for sale. What you are talking about may have happened to a couple people who didnt play a lot of MM1. Opened that Goyf in ther first pack and thought every pack was going to be the same.
Sure there may have been a page of auctions on ebay, all singles. Look now. People are selling play sets and there are more then a page of auctions.
SCG occasionally had one here and there. TCG not so much.
Never going to happen. Undermines the LGS directly. Wotc needs LGS to run events and such. To sell direct would hurt LGS, in turn hurt the company.
If they print Zen fetches in MM@ then I have bad news for you : / It would take printing in a full print run set to have the kind of price impact you are looking for.
They did exist, but there weren't nearly enough of them to meet any sort of increased demand. I don't remember the exact numbers at the time of MMA's release, but there were only about 100 copies available through TCG player across all sellers. Realistically, less than 50 people in the world would have been able to acquire goyfs and start playing jund at the time, and that ignores anyone who might have been looking for them for legacy (iirc, RUG delver was one of the top legacy decks at the time). It is hard to draw a direct comparison with the number available today though since that was before anyone could sign up as a tcgplayer seller and after the severe drop in popularity of BG decks, but there are hundreds of copies available on the site today.
In Southern California, this is an anomaly. Not even the shops around here stock Goyf regularly, and there are a **** ton of shops in SoCal. I bought 3 Boxes and also drafted the set practically into oblivion. 4 Goyfs is a lot to obtain unless you are lucky with your draft or were able to obtain more than 3 boxes (or you got lucky with your 3 boxes). I don't know a single soul who thought they were going to open Goyfs left and right, your assumption that people think this way tells me that you probably are not worth having this discussion with and operating on some sort of information bias.
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Azusa, Lost but Seeking
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
Marrow-Gnawer
Boseiju
Minamo, School at Water's Edge
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Threads of Disloyalty
Goryo's Vengence
Disrupting Shoal
Kira, Great Glass Spinner
Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
Erayo, Soratami Ascendant
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OT: This will open the barrier to Modern and lower card prices like it did last time...
Oh wait... it did the opposite last time. Oops.
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I hope some good Legacy staples are in this set. So that the singles can make their way into Legacy collections. I can't possibly see anyone but the most delusional MTG sycophants being excited by this announcement. Didn't Wizards say that they wanted Modern more accessible? I guess that went out the window almost immediately.
Probably a similar set of lands to MM1. A few utility lands and some nonrare land cycle. I wish we could see a filterland reprint, but I think that will come in a block some time in the future.
-more realistic print run
-real price doesn't go above $15
-fewer worthless cards like the Kamigawa dragons, Dragonstorm, etc.
-lots of great commons and uncommons (Lightning Bolt, Serum Visions, etc.)
If not, this set will be a failure.
Fulminator Mage must be printed at its original rarity. I hate it when Wizards do like what they do with Vial, going from unco to rare. That's just encouraging crazy prices on such unidimensional cards. Without Goyf or any 100$+ staples, we don't want Auriok Savager, Squee or Progenitus in our packs. We want Bitterblossom, Karn, Eleah Norn or Mox Opal.
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2) Every card must be legal in both banlists.
3) No infinite combo that could win (and ruin) instantly a multiplayer game.
4) Synergy at all costs; stay on theme, avoid goodstuff.
To be fair it was not so much Wizards but some of the retailers and other middle men that made things complicated. Because of how the first one went, with the scalping and price gauging, quite a few would be modern players got nothing to brag about out of the MM1.
Personally my experience was less then lack luster, all the stores that had MM1 in my area sold their boxes instead of drafting so I never got to play the draft format of it. And to follow that up I purchased a single pack for twice the MSRP and all I got out of it was a collection of cards equal to the shown MSRP.
The idea is a good one, the problem is the execution of the idea. Because so long as Wizards bottle necks the flow of product there will be those that will try to take advantage of it at the expense of their fellow card collectors/players.
I was opening the product as it was apparently intended - draft and to give me access to Modern.
Guess what? I hardly play Modern because what I opened ended up being garbage or the format outside of the partial play set of Dark Confidants and Goyfs I managed to get my hands on through opening the product.
Even people like myself, who never buy expansion sets as sealed product, purchased Modern Masters sealed product to be able to start breaking into the format. That is saying something about accessibility and how it needs to be better defined from a marketing standpoint. Modern masters suffered from ambiguity when it came to it's initial intent and WOTC was able to profit from that ambiguity. You want to talk about breaking consumer confidence, MM was a great way to do it.
I am glad that some of you happened to pick up full playsets of Goyfs and Bobs from simply enjoying your limited experience, but there a a ***** ton of people who didn't and there are also a ***** ton of people who purchased the sealed product and played limited, who would normally not simply because they masked their intent as making the format more accessible, which it really did not.
"It DID make the format more accessible because you can now find Goyf in trade binders and shop cases often."
Guess what? Now people are paying $175 for Goyfs they can find in binders instead of paying $90 for Goyfs they COULDN'T find in binders.
Stop being so naive about the success of Modern masters and being adamant that the marketing stand point used clearly defined terms and the consumers should not be pissed off as **** about how MM1 went down.
I would still draft Modern Masters if the chance came up again, because outside of Vintage Masters it is the best limited experience I have had and I otherwise hate limited. But just because I liked Modern Masters 1 limited does not mean I am going to like MM2 limited by default and at a $10 price tag, if the goal is the same as MM1, I do not trust WOTC to be purchasing sealed product of MM2 because the content was Modern garbage for the most part meaning my $10 is probably still invested in buying singles. Therein lies the problem with the MM series, people want chances to broaden their Modern collection of playable cards which is why sealed product is nice - I can buy sealed product to help me gather the other cards I am not intent on playing, so that when I want to play them I can. But if all those "other cards" are things like Kiega, the Tide Star, Doubling Season, Molten Disaster, and SO many others, then the product doesn't actually ease the accessibility of the Modern format. They do not all have to be staples, but they don't all have to be mythic, common and uncommon either.
There are too many people assuming that people were opening the product looking for specific cards, or expecting to crack Goyf like it was Christmas morning. The fact is, a lot of people opened it to try broadening their Modern playable collection, giving them more access to modern and that simply is not what happened at all. Any argument for Goyf showing up in trade binders and shop cases meaning the format is more accessible is not very valid considering they were MUCH cheaper when they were "hard to find" and you could still buy them online, even in complete playsets. Anyone stating that the format became more accessible because there were plenty of good modern cards, are kidding themselves if they think cards like Elspeth, Knight Errant, the Kami Dragons, or even the Swords were cards that are actually played in modern and preventing people from playing modern based on accessibility.
Just from drafting, I got 6 Goyfs and 2 play sets of Bobs on top some sweet foils and other mythic and rares. So I drafted the set quite a bit. I didnt 'expect' anything. I was hoping to break even drafting and I did very well.
I am just saying I heard the people your are explaining. They thought every pack they would open was going to be more then they paid for it. It was unrealistic thinking.
I know many people that got play sets from drafting. So I dont know what you consider drafting 'a lot'.