And when the set turns out to be amazing, and the business decided to cancel your preorder it's understandable.
Negative feedback on eBay can cost you a ton of money if you're a powerseller since you'll lose your final value fee discounts, which can easily cost you 2-4% on every single item you sell. eBay powersellers have a lot of reasons to keep their power selling ranking and not get hit with any negatives. Sure, maybe you make an extra $25 a box by cancelling the preorders, but when you lose that 2-4% discount for an entire quarter, odds are you're losing a lot more than the few hundred dollars extra you make by relisting the boxes.
That's the great thing about eBay... the table is heavily tilted towards the buyers.
It is making me curious though as to why the Ebay sellers are selling for such low prices while anywhere else online are still selling for inflated prices. I mean Amazon sellers are still roughly above $270 a box and $17.50 a pack.
It is making me curious though as to why the Ebay sellers are selling for such low prices while anywhere else online are still selling for inflated prices. I mean Amazon sellers are still roughly above $270 a box and $17.50 a pack.
Are the Amazon sellers actually selling anything, though? Not too familiar with how Amazon works from the buying side in terms of what info you can see.
Can you put your ebay name down, so I can block you from buying my auctions. Thanks
No seller has anything to worry about from me unless they screw me over. I'm an honest guy, and I abide by the terms of sale as they were set out. I don't buy preorders if they specify no cancelations. Now, if a seller can't hold up their end of a deal, I think they fully deserve a negative feedback and the penalties that come with it. Selling preorders on eBay isn't a way to hedge your bets on how good a set will be, and shouldn't be treated as such. Sellers who do that are doing a disservice to eBay and to the game as a whole, and deserve to be lambasted and negged.
You don't sell preorders unless you're sure you're going to get the product, and you don't sell them if you don't want to look silly selling the boxes too cheap because the set kicks ass. So if you cancel an order because you're not getting the product, or because you want to make more money off it, you fully deserve the penalties that come with those actions, and I think most will agree with me on that.
It's easy to cancel preorders. If the seller gives you a hard time, you simply go through your CC processor and file a chargeback, and they take the cash out of the sellers account nearly every time and give it back to you. That's why I use my CC for big ticket items, it's another layer of protection for me. Just pay the balance off when you get the bill and it's no biggie.
And when the set turns out to be amazing, and the business decided to cancel your preorder it's understandable.
Neither behavior is honorable. As a buyer, I have zero respect for a seller who doesn't honor a purchase just because I bought early at a great price. As a seller, I have zero respect for a buyer who doesn't honor a purchase just because they bought early at a bad price. Both are bush-league practices.
And if you find me as seller i will ban you lifetime to my auctions, so 1st time this joke work....
You need to work on your English, I have no idea what you're saying here.
If I find you as a seller, this will work, but you'll ban me from partaking in your auctions? What do I care? You're one guy, if you don't like it, there's probably a thousand other sellers that will do business with me.
I remember the days where I made $12k a year... get through the student years, deal with the loans (if you have any) and once you get a full-time professional job, you'll have more money than you know what to do with.
Are you a millionaire or something?
I'm currently changing careers, but my previous job (special effects artist) paid just shy of $100k.
Even when I was making that much I would still *never* spend $5000 on something like this.
If I had that much to blow on Magic Cards, I would spend most if not all of it on dual lands,
which are guaranteed to appreciate.
If you have that much to spend, why not spend it on singles that are a sure bet?
Heck, I'd be more tempted to use that money and fly to Japan,
where you can get Perfect Size sleeves for $1 per pack,
as well as a bunch of toys that you can easily sell for twice as much back here in the USA
(ie- a Sailor Moon wand thingie I bought for $2 in a Gashapon sells for $10+ on eBay).
Also- I'm going to guess you aren't married?
Those of us who are would likely have a very unpleasant time trying to explain a $5000 card purchase
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary Melek, Izzet Paragon Oona, Queen of the Fae Bruna, Light of Alabaster Gisela, Blade of Goldnight Rhys the Redeemed Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord Sen Triplets The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
It is making me curious though as to why the Ebay sellers are selling for such low prices while anywhere else online are still selling for inflated prices. I mean Amazon sellers are still roughly above $270 a box and $17.50 a pack.
Are the Amazon sellers actually selling anything, though? Not too familiar with how Amazon works from the buying side in terms of what info you can see.
It is sort of like an online walmart / shopping mall. You can find just about anything on amazon either directly from the Amazon or the other sellers that set up shop on their website. Sometimes the prices for cards are better or worse than ebay or a LGS. In terms of buying / selling it seems like it is similar to what you have said about ebay except Amazon acts as a go between and makes sure everything is handled on the level.
However the amount of MM2015 sellers is currently small and after watching it seems that not none of them has sold a single pack of the product, let alone a box. It's like they are trying to hold their ground in demanding a higher price for purchase. So seeing the MM2015 on ebay moving so fast is more than a little weird, at least four me.
Here in Japan they are currently taking orders for boxes at 24,000 yen per box. I have to check if that sign is up next week, if it is the print run will probably be very big.
I remember the days where I made $12k a year... get through the student years, deal with the loans (if you have any) and once you get a full-time professional job, you'll have more money than you know what to do with.
Are you a millionaire or something?
I'm currently changing careers, but my previous job (special effects artist) paid just shy of $100k.
Even when I was making that much I would still *never* spend $5000 on something like this.
If I had that much to blow on Magic Cards, I would spend most if not all of it on dual lands,
which are guaranteed to appreciate.
If you have that much to spend, why not spend it on singles that are a sure bet?
Heck, I'd be more tempted to use that money and fly to Japan,
where you can get Perfect Size sleeves for $1 per pack,
as well as a bunch of toys that you can easily sell for twice as much back here in the USA
(ie- a Sailor Moon wand thingie I bought for $2 in a Gashapon sells for $10+ on eBay).
Also- I'm going to guess you aren't married?
Those of us who are would likely have a very unpleasant time trying to explain a $5000 card purchase
I'm far from a millionare. I make less than you do. I'm smart with my money, and live on a budget that allows me to stock away nearly 25% of my salary, while still enjoying life.
Sure bet = smaller returns. I'll take risks with my money for higher returns, plus I enjoy opening packs/boxes. I already have more safe investments than I can shake a stick at, I'm 28 years old and my 401k/Roth IRA/Stock Holdings are well over what I make in a year, I'm way ahead of the retirement curve.
Why would you fly to Japan just to buy a bunch of crap and make a few dollars? I mean, the time costs, travel costs, plus the costs of bringing that stuff back, plus the costs of reselling it all, and then the capital constraints... I mean, that makes zero sense. On the other hand, just buying some MM15 boxes, sticking them in my closet, and then selling 75% of what I bought a few months later should easily cover my costs (negligible) and give me a free case to do what I please with. I'll probably keep one box, and sell the rest to help pay for accommodations in Germany for our vacation next year.
Also, I am married. I've been married for three years this summer. Been with her for a bit over eight. My wife has her money, she does her thing, I have my money, I do my thing. We contribute evenly to expenses and our house fund, and since I make more than her, I help her out once in a while with stuff. The rest, it's my money, she'd catch hell for trying to tell me what to do with it, and never would, just as I'd never tell her what to do with hers, other than making suggestions about 401k's and whatnot. Do yourself a favor and set up an account separate from your core expenses and put your money there, and have your wife do the same. You work hard for your money, do what you want with it, and don't let her tell you what you can/can't do with it. Meet your obligations, as required, and then enjoy the fruit of your labor.
i know, my english is horrible
IMO I find it a misconduct to pre-order something and then erase it because the spoiler are not worthy of your portfolio. Even by the board to do a forced chargeback on the seller's account . BRAVO
That's why you state something like "A nonrefundable deposit of $25 per box applies to each preordered box. If you cancel your preorder, you will receive a refund for your total purchase price, less $25 a box." and bam, you get paid $25 per box they cancel on. If you don't do that, well, tough luck, that's business.
i know, my english is horrible
IMO I find it a misconduct to pre-order something and then erase it because the spoiler are not worthy of your portfolio. Even by the board to do a forced chargeback on the seller's account . BRAVO
That's why you state something like "A nonrefundable deposit of $25 per box applies to each preordered box. If you cancel your preorder, you will receive a refund for your total purchase price, less $25 a box." and bam, you get paid $25 per box they cancel on. If you don't do that, well, tough luck, that's business.
When they do charge backs a non refundable deposit might not matter, depending on the bank. I know a big comic dealer who had a $10,000 charge back from a UK customer on a Fed Ex or UPS package. Not sure what happened in the end, but having to fight a charge back probably isn't worth the time for $25.
When they do charge backs a non refundable deposit might not matter, depending on the bank. I know a big comic dealer who had a $10,000 charge back from a UK customer on a Fed Ex or UPS package. Not sure what happened in the end, but having to fight a charge back probably isn't worth the time for $25.
I used to manage a retail store and we sold preorders of iPhone's, and I won the right to keep the deposit on every chargeback from a preorder, out of probably 15-20 cancellations over 3 years. I'd fax the CC company the terms and conditions of sale, which clearly laid out the deposit amount and the fact that it was nonrefundable. As long as you lay it out clearly and state that the terms are binding and supersede any other terms and conditions (with the exception of maybe eBay and PayPal in this circumstance), the CC company will side with you. Granted, that was a signed document, but disclosure on your website or eBay listing stating something like "By buying this item, you agree that you have read and will abide by the following terms and conditions of sale;" and then list your terms and conditions, is probably equivalent, as long as you didn't hide the info or bury it in a wall of text.
At least that's how it works here in the US... and given that fighting a chargeback took me about 30 minutes, it was almost always worth my time, or to have somebody else on it. In this case, a $25 chargeback at 30 minutes of time is $50/hr. That's worth it.
It's also worth noting that PayPal HATES chargebacks and will close your account if you do it more than once or twice, so if you do it, you better have dang good reasons to do it.
The ones near where I live are planning to run $35 but it is still open to change. AKA, if the cards in the set are good get ready to pay out of every orifice of your body.
208 euros a box here, lost in the french countryside.
It's a daily sower of temptation I must face.
Ah, the magnitude of the thrill, cracking such a booster ! Why waste money on trivial and unessential things, such as buying food or diapers for the baby ?
Please be respectful and don't use the "B" word around us DINK's (dual income no kids).
Yeah you have it bad. While we keep breeding our future testing teams or commander groups, you have to spend on cards. My condolence!
Just a few more years of enjoying life without kids, haha. I'll have them sooner or later.
Or you can do like my husband and I did: we have seven children, four of whom are old enough to play Magic. They play with us, and they spend their own money on cards, too. You haven't lived until you've opened a booster box with your teens while holding a baby.
The reliable sellers I know about don't send sealed product to my country.
Yeah, no legit seller will ship out of country. A few extra bucks isn't worth not getting product. Of course other posters didn't realize you needed product shipped from another country to be cheaper.
So in the past few days Ebay prices have drifted from about $245 to $228. (Maybe some lower or higher but $228 is reasonably gettable) I wonder if it will go much lower? I feel $200 is a hard floor but might not get there. I just grabbed a box for myself for the following reasons:
Spoilers will start and that will serve as advertisement for the product.
We know major money mythics already, so EV will likely be similar to last time (IMHO)
Overall modern prices are up so price correction in lots of cards ca still allow for high EV
I never feel bad paying less than MSRP, even if Icould have a slighlty better deal later
A larger printing might make it more available but most dealers will be willing to sit on this for a long time if necessary.
Modern Masters 1 was available only up until spoilers for me.
After release of Modern Masters was $235 all summer at conventions I went to and on Ebay through the fall.
Most of the cards fell in price (despite what people remember), but within 2 years and huge amount have now rebounded.
Goyf Lottery!
If it drifts close to $200 I will probably get a second box, just for an extra draft event.
Negative feedback on eBay can cost you a ton of money if you're a powerseller since you'll lose your final value fee discounts, which can easily cost you 2-4% on every single item you sell. eBay powersellers have a lot of reasons to keep their power selling ranking and not get hit with any negatives. Sure, maybe you make an extra $25 a box by cancelling the preorders, but when you lose that 2-4% discount for an entire quarter, odds are you're losing a lot more than the few hundred dollars extra you make by relisting the boxes.
That's the great thing about eBay... the table is heavily tilted towards the buyers.
Are the Amazon sellers actually selling anything, though? Not too familiar with how Amazon works from the buying side in terms of what info you can see.
No seller has anything to worry about from me unless they screw me over. I'm an honest guy, and I abide by the terms of sale as they were set out. I don't buy preorders if they specify no cancelations. Now, if a seller can't hold up their end of a deal, I think they fully deserve a negative feedback and the penalties that come with it. Selling preorders on eBay isn't a way to hedge your bets on how good a set will be, and shouldn't be treated as such. Sellers who do that are doing a disservice to eBay and to the game as a whole, and deserve to be lambasted and negged.
You don't sell preorders unless you're sure you're going to get the product, and you don't sell them if you don't want to look silly selling the boxes too cheap because the set kicks ass. So if you cancel an order because you're not getting the product, or because you want to make more money off it, you fully deserve the penalties that come with those actions, and I think most will agree with me on that.
Neither behavior is honorable. As a buyer, I have zero respect for a seller who doesn't honor a purchase just because I bought early at a great price. As a seller, I have zero respect for a buyer who doesn't honor a purchase just because they bought early at a bad price. Both are bush-league practices.
You need to work on your English, I have no idea what you're saying here.
If I find you as a seller, this will work, but you'll ban me from partaking in your auctions? What do I care? You're one guy, if you don't like it, there's probably a thousand other sellers that will do business with me.
Are you a millionaire or something?
I'm currently changing careers, but my previous job (special effects artist) paid just shy of $100k.
Even when I was making that much I would still *never* spend $5000 on something like this.
If I had that much to blow on Magic Cards, I would spend most if not all of it on dual lands,
which are guaranteed to appreciate.
If you have that much to spend, why not spend it on singles that are a sure bet?
Heck, I'd be more tempted to use that money and fly to Japan,
where you can get Perfect Size sleeves for $1 per pack,
as well as a bunch of toys that you can easily sell for twice as much back here in the USA
(ie- a Sailor Moon wand thingie I bought for $2 in a Gashapon sells for $10+ on eBay).
Also- I'm going to guess you aren't married?
Those of us who are would likely have a very unpleasant time trying to explain a $5000 card purchase
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
It is sort of like an online walmart / shopping mall. You can find just about anything on amazon either directly from the Amazon or the other sellers that set up shop on their website. Sometimes the prices for cards are better or worse than ebay or a LGS. In terms of buying / selling it seems like it is similar to what you have said about ebay except Amazon acts as a go between and makes sure everything is handled on the level.
However the amount of MM2015 sellers is currently small and after watching it seems that not none of them has sold a single pack of the product, let alone a box. It's like they are trying to hold their ground in demanding a higher price for purchase. So seeing the MM2015 on ebay moving so fast is more than a little weird, at least four me.
I'm far from a millionare. I make less than you do. I'm smart with my money, and live on a budget that allows me to stock away nearly 25% of my salary, while still enjoying life.
Sure bet = smaller returns. I'll take risks with my money for higher returns, plus I enjoy opening packs/boxes. I already have more safe investments than I can shake a stick at, I'm 28 years old and my 401k/Roth IRA/Stock Holdings are well over what I make in a year, I'm way ahead of the retirement curve.
Why would you fly to Japan just to buy a bunch of crap and make a few dollars? I mean, the time costs, travel costs, plus the costs of bringing that stuff back, plus the costs of reselling it all, and then the capital constraints... I mean, that makes zero sense. On the other hand, just buying some MM15 boxes, sticking them in my closet, and then selling 75% of what I bought a few months later should easily cover my costs (negligible) and give me a free case to do what I please with. I'll probably keep one box, and sell the rest to help pay for accommodations in Germany for our vacation next year.
Also, I am married. I've been married for three years this summer. Been with her for a bit over eight. My wife has her money, she does her thing, I have my money, I do my thing. We contribute evenly to expenses and our house fund, and since I make more than her, I help her out once in a while with stuff. The rest, it's my money, she'd catch hell for trying to tell me what to do with it, and never would, just as I'd never tell her what to do with hers, other than making suggestions about 401k's and whatnot. Do yourself a favor and set up an account separate from your core expenses and put your money there, and have your wife do the same. You work hard for your money, do what you want with it, and don't let her tell you what you can/can't do with it. Meet your obligations, as required, and then enjoy the fruit of your labor.
That's why you state something like "A nonrefundable deposit of $25 per box applies to each preordered box. If you cancel your preorder, you will receive a refund for your total purchase price, less $25 a box." and bam, you get paid $25 per box they cancel on. If you don't do that, well, tough luck, that's business.
When they do charge backs a non refundable deposit might not matter, depending on the bank. I know a big comic dealer who had a $10,000 charge back from a UK customer on a Fed Ex or UPS package. Not sure what happened in the end, but having to fight a charge back probably isn't worth the time for $25.
I used to manage a retail store and we sold preorders of iPhone's, and I won the right to keep the deposit on every chargeback from a preorder, out of probably 15-20 cancellations over 3 years. I'd fax the CC company the terms and conditions of sale, which clearly laid out the deposit amount and the fact that it was nonrefundable. As long as you lay it out clearly and state that the terms are binding and supersede any other terms and conditions (with the exception of maybe eBay and PayPal in this circumstance), the CC company will side with you. Granted, that was a signed document, but disclosure on your website or eBay listing stating something like "By buying this item, you agree that you have read and will abide by the following terms and conditions of sale;" and then list your terms and conditions, is probably equivalent, as long as you didn't hide the info or bury it in a wall of text.
At least that's how it works here in the US... and given that fighting a chargeback took me about 30 minutes, it was almost always worth my time, or to have somebody else on it. In this case, a $25 chargeback at 30 minutes of time is $50/hr. That's worth it.
It's also worth noting that PayPal HATES chargebacks and will close your account if you do it more than once or twice, so if you do it, you better have dang good reasons to do it.
Please be respectful and don't use the "B" word around us DINK's (dual income no kids).
Apparently I'm not playing MM15.
Can't you get an eBay seller or something to ship to you?
Just a few more years of enjoying life without kids, haha. I'll have them sooner or later.
Or you can do like my husband and I did: we have seven children, four of whom are old enough to play Magic. They play with us, and they spend their own money on cards, too. You haven't lived until you've opened a booster box with your teens while holding a baby.
Yeah, no legit seller will ship out of country. A few extra bucks isn't worth not getting product. Of course other posters didn't realize you needed product shipped from another country to be cheaper.
Spoilers will start and that will serve as advertisement for the product.
We know major money mythics already, so EV will likely be similar to last time (IMHO)
Overall modern prices are up so price correction in lots of cards ca still allow for high EV
I never feel bad paying less than MSRP, even if Icould have a slighlty better deal later
A larger printing might make it more available but most dealers will be willing to sit on this for a long time if necessary.
Modern Masters 1 was available only up until spoilers for me.
After release of Modern Masters was $235 all summer at conventions I went to and on Ebay through the fall.
Most of the cards fell in price (despite what people remember), but within 2 years and huge amount have now rebounded.
Goyf Lottery!
If it drifts close to $200 I will probably get a second box, just for an extra draft event.