I'm feeling pretty sure the entire spoiler is on there somewhere. First of all, someone at wizards would've probably said something along the lines of "My bad, conspiracy spoiler up this week". The big thing though is the urls for the images make it seem like the rest of the images are there somewhere. Each come in the form of "http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/cns/asdfsc3wfas234/" followed by a 10 character long alphanumeric string, followed by _language.jpg, and the 10 character string seems to be the same for each card across languages.
and just enough was changed on the jp image gallery to show the fact that the english copy of the card is actually there on the site even if it hasn't been posted to the spoiler. I know everyone just wants to see the spoiler, I do to, but I gotta say I'm curious just how wizards is expecting us to find it.
Those of you complaining about not getting what you are "entitled to" really need to take a step back and review the situation. I am looking forward to Conspiracy as much as anyone else here. But one should not feel the need to throw a tantrum, kick and scream and cry about the ice cream one believes one was promised but has not yet received.
There is obviously something going on that WotC is working to resolve. Give then some time and patience. They do not generally disappoint.
Take a step back and analyze the situation before saying we're "entitled"
We were promised a date for the complete spoiler, said date has come and gone, we're 4 days past it, in fact.
We at least deserve an explanation or an "oops, our bad" Something to explain the mishap.
Saying absolutely nothing and ignoring the fact that you flat out lied to your customers isn't good, it's actually worse than If they came out and said, "oops, we made an error, you'll have the whole spoiler on date Y"
Now do you see why we're upset? It's not just because we don't have the spoiler yet, it's because we don't have the spoiler OR an explanation as to why.
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Those of you complaining about not getting what you are "entitled to" really need to take a step back and review the situation....
It's like you haven't ever been on MTGS before!
Really, I would love for them to keep a lid on the complete list until we start compiling a list here. How funny would that be? I can't imagine them being able to seal that information until the release, but I am pretty entertained by the fact that their stuff isn't being spoiled 4 months in advanced anymore.
Those of you complaining about not getting what you are "entitled to" really need to take a step back and review the situation....
It's like you haven't ever been on MTGS before!
Really, I would love for them to keep a lid on the complete list until we start compiling a list here. How funny would that be? I can't imagine them being able to seal that information until the release, but I am pretty entertained by the fact that their stuff isn't being spoiled 4 months in advanced anymore.
I dunno, given how much people just love to go on about how important knowing a set is when it comes to drafting it and how much set knowledge plays into the skill of the limited format, it's a pretty big **** up to not have that information available ahead of release for a set that is entirely built around said format.
I dunno, given how much people just love to go on about how important knowing a set is when it comes to drafting it and how much set knowledge plays into the skill of the limited format, it's a pretty big **** up to not have that information available ahead of release for a set that is entirely built around said format.
Sanctioned stuff sure. Look at how ridiculous these cards are and tell me that anybody really needs to know or care about what's in the set. The whole thing is a joke and a well timed post-finals joke for a lot of the people here. It's not that different from Planechase.
EDIT: Just to be clear: I like jokes. I like stupid MTG. I love this kind of crap. But, I don't feel any need to really know what's in the set. I paid my $105 for a box that me and 5 other people will draft while getting drunk on stout loaded with Wild Turkey. To be fair, if I were playing with strangers at a game shop in a town of 15,000 people in Arkansas I might have a different tune.
I dunno, given how much people just love to go on about how important knowing a set is when it comes to drafting it and how much set knowledge plays into the skill of the limited format, it's a pretty big **** up to not have that information available ahead of release for a set that is entirely built around said format.
Sanctioned stuff sure. Look at how ridiculous these cards are and tell me that anybody really needs to know or care about what's in the set. The whole thing is a joke and a well timed post-finals joke for a lot of the people here. It's not that different from Planechase.
EDIT: Just to be clear: I like jokes. I like stupid MTG. I love this kind of crap. But, I don't feel any need to really know what's in the set. I paid my $105 for a box that me and 5 other people will draft while getting drunk on stout loaded with Wild Turkey. To be fair, if I were playing with strangers at a game shop in a town of 15,000 people in Arkansas I might have a different tune.
Given that there are quite a few high value cards, several fantastic reprints, and quite a few genuinely good cards in the set, I dunno if I'd blow the whole thing off as the next un-set. Especially since there will be at least a launch tournament for the set.
I'm a bit suspicious about that "The Conspiracy runs deeper: Conspiracy Product Information" line on visual spoiler page. Wouldn't be surprised, if full spoiler is already there, somehow hidden somewhere, but I can't find anything.
Yeah, I really wouldn't be surprised either if there was a way to unlock them or something.
Given that there are quite a few high value cards, several fantastic reprints, and quite a few genuinely good cards in the set, I dunno if I'd blow the whole thing off as the next un-set. Especially since there will be at least a launch tournament for the set.
So you are saying that there is already enough stuff in the set from what we HAVE seen that people are pumped about it? From what I've gathered, it's already selling really well even not knowing what's in there.
Those of you complaining about not getting what you are "entitled to" really need to take a step back and review the situation. I am looking forward to Conspiracy as much as anyone else here. But one should not feel the need to throw a tantrum, kick and scream and cry about the ice cream one believes one was promised but has not yet received.
There is obviously something going on that WotC is working to resolve. Give then some time and patience. They do not generally disappoint.
Better be a kid than a fanboy. Better kick and scream than putting the head under the sand. I'm 100% entitled to spoilers, and not because i'm throwing a tantrum, but because wotc made a promise. You are a crappy company if you make false promises to your customers without an explanation. If you think that defending your customer rights is equal to being childish, i feel sorry for you.
You say you have "customer rights" to have the spoiler available :)? Dude, I do not know what are you smoking, but it has to be some weird stuff. Wake up, ,if there was an issue of not being given a product, given damaged product etc., there are your customer rights. No, you are just now an angry kid, however your rationalize it to yourself.
The fact that "normal" sets have their spoiler made public ONE WEEK before the prerelease tournament apparently means nothing to you. Since Conspiracy has no prerelease, I would expect the spoiler to be released this Friday (30th). What about the tweet - apparently someone made a mistake. Or the gallery is there, just waiting for someone to crack it.
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Those of you complaining about not getting what you are "entitled to" really need to take a step back and review the situation. I am looking forward to Conspiracy as much as anyone else here. But one should not feel the need to throw a tantrum, kick and scream and cry about the ice cream one believes one was promised but has not yet received.
There is obviously something going on that WotC is working to resolve. Give then some time and patience. They do not generally disappoint.
I'm 100% entitled to spoilers, and not because i'm throwing a tantrum, but because wotc made a promise.
Nobody made a promise to anyone. An official twitter account made a comment about vintage masters and conspiracy spoilers will be up Friday last week. They didn't decree anything.
Not a single person here deserves anything, except answers on why they likely had a miscommuncation or tech problem.
I'm waiting too, and kinda annoyed, but it's more due to people complaining about actually nothing of importance then a few images.
One thing that could hint to the full spoiler being out: Earlier there were notes about which card was last put on the spoiler. It has now been replaced by "The Conspiracy runs deeper: Conspiracy Product Information"
Lol. I would think they generally disappoint more than succeed. But that's also because fans and players alike expect alot.
I for one don't like the way they handle this. Particularly when during the preorder window. It's like Wizards are giving LGS more time to get their dough. Not a bad thing per se, as it continues to annoy speculators/hoarders. True fans will be disappointed though.
One thing that could hint to the full spoiler being out: Earlier there were notes about which card was last put on the spoiler. It has now been replaced by "The Conspiracy runs deeper: Conspiracy Product Information"
Even still, we have literally nothing to run with on that except that the full spoiler might be hidden in code, or perhaps the code that unlocked Dack originally, etc. Not sure.
I can't even remember the sequence we used to unlock him in the first place...
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Wouldn't it be nice if there was no spoiler on the whole set and for people to be generally surprised to find stuff in the set. Would be kool rather than knowing all the cards.
Personally I would prefer this to keep the mystery a bit longer.
i agree with you, and i actually really hope they won't spoil it at all. i can't wait for when i'll have the box in my hands. crack pacs and discover what's inside
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Those of you complaining about not getting what you are "entitled to" really need to take a step back and review the situation....
It's like you haven't ever been on MTGS before!
Really, I would love for them to keep a lid on the complete list until we start compiling a list here. How funny would that be? I can't imagine them being able to seal that information until the release, but I am pretty entertained by the fact that their stuff isn't being spoiled 4 months in advanced anymore.
I guess I do sometimes forget where I am.
I am with you on the spoilers being slow rolled, I really do like that.
Wouldn't it be nice if there was no spoiler on the whole set and for people to be generally surprised to find stuff in the set. Would be kool rather than knowing all the cards.
Personally I would prefer this to keep the mystery a bit longer.
I used to voraciously chase spoilers for new sets, but now I actually go into hiding when spoiler season for a normal set begins. I avoid the rumor mill and other popular spoiler spots. I do this so that when I crack the packs with my buddies to draft I am seeing the set for the first time. You know something? It makes the experience of drafting for the first time that much better and that much more challenging. I encourage you to give it a try, though if you are drafting at a pre-release and are interested in winning prizes it is pretty tough to go in blind while your opponents have full knowledge of the set. If I were attending a pre-release at a shop I would not avoid spoilers.
edit: I should add that for normal sets I have been able to avoid spoilers but Conspiracy has my playgroup so excited that I have not been able to do that. I have seen a good portion of spoilers to date.
You say you have "customer rights" to have the spoiler available :)? Dude, I do not know what are you smoking, but it has to be some weird stuff. Wake up, ,if there was an issue of not being given a product, given damaged product etc., there are your customer rights.
being able to see the product you want to buy is not a customer right? if a guy want to sell me a car and tell me "i'll show you the car on fryday" and then on monday i have yet to see anything, he is violating my customer rights. wotc is just lucky that with the car vendor i can say "**** off, i'll buy another car from another guy", but with magic i can only buy from them.
Err...nope. Even when we take into account how absurd your comparison is, he's violating a (possibly non-binding) verbal agreement, pal. Nothing more. Anyway, the conclusion is - you have the right to be angry (because they pwomised!!!!), but it is not a violation of customer rights.
And since the whole product is released and available for sale some ten days from now, this is irrelevant and the comparison to the car situation is silly. Now, if the set were out and we did not know what is inside, then we might begin to talk about what you imply. Not now.
Saying absolutely nothing and ignoring the fact that you flat out lied to your customers isn't good, it's actually worse than If they came out and said, "oops, we made an error, you'll have the whole spoiler on date Y"
Now do you see why we're upset? It's not just because we don't have the spoiler yet, it's because we don't have the spoiler OR an explanation as to why.
While I understand being upset, part of the reason we don't have an explanation yet may be contained in your assumptions there. You're assuming that anybody can say "We made an error, we'll have the spoiler up by date Y", when firstly, no-one may have that information yet (Maro, for example, has not been in the office since last Thursday, and thus likely has had little information to work with), and secondly, even the people who know what's going on may not have a hard date for when it'll be fixed. So rather than going "things are screwed up but we don't know how or why or when they'll be fixed", they're hoping people will be patient for a day and then release something when they know exactly what they can do to fix it.
being able to see the product you want to buy is not a customer right? if a guy want to sell me a car and tell me "i'll show you the car on fryday" and then on monday i have yet to see anything, he is violating my customer rights. wotc is just lucky that with the car vendor i can say "**** off, i'll buy another car from another guy", but with magic i can only buy from them.
I don't think you know that "right" does mean. You must be either American or sixteen years old, but you should know by now that really wanting something doesn't mean you have a right to it.
In both your car case and this case the answer is "no": a promise doesn't give you any rights. They told you something, they didn't fulfill it, they now look unprofessional, that's all.
I'm not saying you should be angry. You should be angry, and believe me I'm angry too, and we have to voice our discontent. Wizards has been holding both the Vintage Masters and the Conspiracy spoilers in a horrible way. The Vintage Masters card gallery still hasn't been updated with the true art for the cards, and several weeks have passed for some of them like the dual lands, and now the full Conspiracy spoiler seems to be following its steps. But "rights" have nothing to do with this.
In both your car case and this case the answer is "no": a promise doesn't give you any rights.
What good is a promise, then?
Look, I don't think anyone's crying about spoilers or feels entitled to them. That kind of claim feels like it comes from a superior attitude. I'm annoyed about the lack of spoilers too, especially since we didn't even get standard previews today. And it's totally okay to be annoyed or even a little angry.
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and just enough was changed on the jp image gallery to show the fact that the english copy of the card is actually there on the site even if it hasn't been posted to the spoiler. I know everyone just wants to see the spoiler, I do to, but I gotta say I'm curious just how wizards is expecting us to find it.
Take a step back and analyze the situation before saying we're "entitled"
We were promised a date for the complete spoiler, said date has come and gone, we're 4 days past it, in fact.
We at least deserve an explanation or an "oops, our bad" Something to explain the mishap.
Saying absolutely nothing and ignoring the fact that you flat out lied to your customers isn't good, it's actually worse than If they came out and said, "oops, we made an error, you'll have the whole spoiler on date Y"
Now do you see why we're upset? It's not just because we don't have the spoiler yet, it's because we don't have the spoiler OR an explanation as to why.
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Really, I would love for them to keep a lid on the complete list until we start compiling a list here. How funny would that be? I can't imagine them being able to seal that information until the release, but I am pretty entertained by the fact that their stuff isn't being spoiled 4 months in advanced anymore.
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I dunno, given how much people just love to go on about how important knowing a set is when it comes to drafting it and how much set knowledge plays into the skill of the limited format, it's a pretty big **** up to not have that information available ahead of release for a set that is entirely built around said format.
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EDIT: Just to be clear: I like jokes. I like stupid MTG. I love this kind of crap. But, I don't feel any need to really know what's in the set. I paid my $105 for a box that me and 5 other people will draft while getting drunk on stout loaded with Wild Turkey. To be fair, if I were playing with strangers at a game shop in a town of 15,000 people in Arkansas I might have a different tune.
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Given that there are quite a few high value cards, several fantastic reprints, and quite a few genuinely good cards in the set, I dunno if I'd blow the whole thing off as the next un-set. Especially since there will be at least a launch tournament for the set.
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Yeah, I really wouldn't be surprised either if there was a way to unlock them or something.
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You say you have "customer rights" to have the spoiler available :)? Dude, I do not know what are you smoking, but it has to be some weird stuff. Wake up, ,if there was an issue of not being given a product, given damaged product etc., there are your customer rights. No, you are just now an angry kid, however your rationalize it to yourself.
The fact that "normal" sets have their spoiler made public ONE WEEK before the prerelease tournament apparently means nothing to you. Since Conspiracy has no prerelease, I would expect the spoiler to be released this Friday (30th). What about the tweet - apparently someone made a mistake. Or the gallery is there, just waiting for someone to crack it.
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Nobody made a promise to anyone. An official twitter account made a comment about vintage masters and conspiracy spoilers will be up Friday last week. They didn't decree anything.
Not a single person here deserves anything, except answers on why they likely had a miscommuncation or tech problem.
I'm waiting too, and kinda annoyed, but it's more due to people complaining about actually nothing of importance then a few images.
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Lol. I would think they generally disappoint more than succeed. But that's also because fans and players alike expect alot.
I for one don't like the way they handle this. Particularly when during the preorder window. It's like Wizards are giving LGS more time to get their dough. Not a bad thing per se, as it continues to annoy speculators/hoarders. True fans will be disappointed though.
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Even still, we have literally nothing to run with on that except that the full spoiler might be hidden in code, or perhaps the code that unlocked Dack originally, etc. Not sure.
I can't even remember the sequence we used to unlock him in the first place...
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i agree with you, and i actually really hope they won't spoil it at all. i can't wait for when i'll have the box in my hands. crack pacs and discover what's inside
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I am with you on the spoilers being slow rolled, I really do like that.
I used to voraciously chase spoilers for new sets, but now I actually go into hiding when spoiler season for a normal set begins. I avoid the rumor mill and other popular spoiler spots. I do this so that when I crack the packs with my buddies to draft I am seeing the set for the first time. You know something? It makes the experience of drafting for the first time that much better and that much more challenging. I encourage you to give it a try, though if you are drafting at a pre-release and are interested in winning prizes it is pretty tough to go in blind while your opponents have full knowledge of the set. If I were attending a pre-release at a shop I would not avoid spoilers.
edit: I should add that for normal sets I have been able to avoid spoilers but Conspiracy has my playgroup so excited that I have not been able to do that. I have seen a good portion of spoilers to date.
Err...nope. Even when we take into account how absurd your comparison is, he's violating a (possibly non-binding) verbal agreement, pal. Nothing more. Anyway, the conclusion is - you have the right to be angry (because they pwomised!!!!), but it is not a violation of customer rights.
And since the whole product is released and available for sale some ten days from now, this is irrelevant and the comparison to the car situation is silly. Now, if the set were out and we did not know what is inside, then we might begin to talk about what you imply. Not now.
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The damn set is called "Conspiracy" so Wizards can lead you lemmings around by the tail all they want. If it bugs you that bad, go play Yugioh.
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I don't think you know that "right" does mean. You must be either American or sixteen years old, but you should know by now that really wanting something doesn't mean you have a right to it.
In both your car case and this case the answer is "no": a promise doesn't give you any rights. They told you something, they didn't fulfill it, they now look unprofessional, that's all.
I'm not saying you should be angry. You should be angry, and believe me I'm angry too, and we have to voice our discontent. Wizards has been holding both the Vintage Masters and the Conspiracy spoilers in a horrible way. The Vintage Masters card gallery still hasn't been updated with the true art for the cards, and several weeks have passed for some of them like the dual lands, and now the full Conspiracy spoiler seems to be following its steps. But "rights" have nothing to do with this.
What good is a promise, then?
Look, I don't think anyone's crying about spoilers or feels entitled to them. That kind of claim feels like it comes from a superior attitude. I'm annoyed about the lack of spoilers too, especially since we didn't even get standard previews today. And it's totally okay to be annoyed or even a little angry.
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