The 2016 core set could be meant to coincide with the movie hype train, so a snazzier product name for the last core set would make sense in order to snap up the more casual audience that will be drawn in.
In addition to M16 speculation Maro has said that they're working on a new product line to introduce new players to the game now that Core Sets are going the way of the dodo. I think that Magic Origins could easily be the title for this new product line.
Maybe its the new "core set" line , that will not enter Standard and is meant to new players...
That's my guess- something to fill the role of Core Sets
(and possibly take over DotP as the digital intro version),
with "regular" cards (not like Portal),
just simple ones like Cancel and Giant Growth.
Magic Origins is probably M16, as WotC seems the kind of people who would go insane that a product of theirs has the same name as the USA's preferred military rifle.
Ha- I mentioned this in another thread.
I would expect no less from the company that brought us 4th ed. Unholy Strength.
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openmyheadache said: I am a bit confused about how the new rotation rules will affect KoT. Will this mean that at next rotation, the first set in KoT will rotate while the other two sets will stay in?
When Lock (fall 2016) comes out, Khans of Tarkir and “Dewey" will rotate out of Standard.
When Barrel (spring 2017) comes out, “Louie" and the 2105 summer core set (as opposed to Magic 2015) will rotate out of Standard.
This makes me believe i will not be able to have my magic2016 cards' art altered soo there is a rifle in the background
openmyheadache said: I am a bit confused about how the new rotation rules will affect KoT. Will this mean that at next rotation, the first set in KoT will rotate while the other two sets will stay in?
When Lock (fall 2016) comes out, Khans of Tarkir and “Dewey" will rotate out of Standard.
When Barrel (spring 2017) comes out, “Louie" and the 2105 summer core set (as opposed to Magic 2015) will rotate out of Standard.
This makes me believe i will not be able to have my magic2016 cards' art altered soo there is a rifle in the background
We can always hope the tag line is M16: Mow down the opposition!
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Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
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Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Wasn't one of the spoilers about the Tarkir block something to do with time travel?
"Origins" could simply be the name of one of the sets to release as part of the Tarkir block... the one where they travel back in time.
Brief baseless story speculation would go something like: Sarkhan Vol's story description on the wizard's site says his spark ignited when he had a vision of an dragon-spirit. Origins would have Sarkhan Vol time-traveling back to the origins of the creation of this dragon-spirit and maybe ties in the origin of the conflict between the clans.
A contractual agreement was made when Magic:The Gathering's rights were completely sold off by Garfield Games to establish and fundamentally withhold a reserve list on printed cards to ensure the collect-ability of the game would instill the continuation of Magic:The Gathering as a lifetime game.
But that doesnt make any sense. A contract is between two entities, so who is the other entity? And since the collect-ability of the game is long since secure, what purpose would such a contract fulfill? I aim't passed the bar, but it seems unlikely that Wizards of the Coast is beholden to anything besides a gentlemen's agreement at this point. If they are legally forbidden from reproducing cards on the restricted list then how was Wheel of Fortune and Morphling printed as judge foils? Pretend I'm 5, pretend that I know nothing of the world. Explain in realistic terms why WotC cant reprint cards on the reserved list.
I hope it's the name of the last core set, and they go out with a bang (of reprints). Seems like a nice gesture to make it a little more special rather than calling it M16, knowing there will be no follow-up.
A contractual agreement was made when Magic:The Gathering's rights were completely sold off by Garfield Games to establish and fundamentally withhold a reserve list on printed cards to ensure the collect-ability of the game would instill the continuation of Magic:The Gathering as a lifetime game.
But that doesnt make any sense. A contract is between two entities, so who is the other entity? And since the collect-ability of the game is long since secure, what purpose would such a contract fulfill? I aim't passed the bar, but it seems unlikely that Wizards of the Coast is beholden to anything besides a gentlemen's agreement at this point. If they are legally forbidden from reproducing cards on the restricted list then how was Wheel of Fortune and Morphling printed as judge foils? Pretend I'm 5, pretend that I know nothing of the world. Explain in realistic terms why WotC cant reprint cards on the reserved list.
Whether they are *actually* beholden to a contract, or not is largely irrelevant. The cost of a lawsuit both monetarily and in brand damage could easily outweigh the benefits of eliminating the reserve list.
There was a time where I, like you, thought they could easily drop it and move on. In fact, they were headed that way with their announcement that they were actually going to use the foil loophole. Shortly after the announcement (I think it was a week and a half? Maybe less), they made a short announcement that the loophole is closed, and no reserve list cards will be reprinted ever. period.
They provided no explanation for the sudden 180 degree reversal, and won't talk about it. It's pretty clearly a matter that they have been directed to shut up about and not discuss, although I'm not sure why. Ultimately, though, the reserve list is here to stay. In my opinion, we will eventually see reprints of all the big cards, but it will be a last minute cash grab as the game is dying, and won't happen for a very long while.
The only other possiblity would be if counterfeits get too good and too prominent eventually, that WotC needs to do something to stop it. that's unlikely as counterfeiting P9 is not nearly as profitable as counterfeiting other cards (just like counterfeiting $50 bills is way less profitable than counterfeiting $10 bills). p9 just doesn't circulate and sell enough.
A contractual agreement was made when Magic:The Gathering's rights were completely sold off by Garfield Games to establish and fundamentally withhold a reserve list on printed cards to ensure the collect-ability of the game would instill the continuation of Magic:The Gathering as a lifetime game.
But that doesnt make any sense. A contract is between two entities, so who is the other entity? And since the collect-ability of the game is long since secure, what purpose would such a contract fulfill? I aim't passed the bar, but it seems unlikely that Wizards of the Coast is beholden to anything besides a gentlemen's agreement at this point. If they are legally forbidden from reproducing cards on the restricted list then how was Wheel of Fortune and Morphling printed as judge foils? Pretend I'm 5, pretend that I know nothing of the world. Explain in realistic terms why WotC cant reprint cards on the reserved list.
Whether they are *actually* beholden to a contract, or not is largely irrelevant. The cost of a lawsuit both monetarily and in brand damage could easily outweigh the benefits of eliminating the reserve list.
Actually, it's very relevant, since there is no contractual agreement, WOTC isn't liable for anything if they change the policy. The lawsuit conspiracy is a product of wild speculation on here and reddit, so you can trust its validity about as far as you can throw a Magic card.
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Whether they are *actually* beholden to a contract, or not is largely irrelevant. The cost of a lawsuit both monetarily and in brand damage could easily outweigh the benefits of eliminating the reserve list.
Actually, it's very relevant, since there is no contractual agreement, WOTC isn't liable for anything if they change the policy. The lawsuit conspiracy is a product of wild speculation on here and reddit, so you can trust its validity about as far as you can throw a Magic card.
You cannot say that there is no contract or legally-binding agreement with any certainty. Some legal arrangements do come with non-disclosure clauses ("gag orders"), preventing all parties involved from talking about the agreement. You're entitled to your opinions, but you are wildly speculating just as the others here and Reddit. Nobody actually knows the details of the Reserved List.
There is a possibility that Wizards may be bluffing, and there is no actual legally-binding agreement. However, considering the efforts Wizards to state that the Reserved List is not being abolished, including Mark Rosewater publicly stating on his blog that he cannot even talk about the details, my speculation is that Wizards has some sort of binding agreement (Occam's Razor).
There is no contractual agreement because there has never been another party other than WOTC that would have signed anything. Who would have signed it anyways? Did WOTC just hunt down every owner of reserved list cards and mail them a copy of the contract?
There is no contract because there is no contract. If you and other reserved list conspirators want to continue to live in magical la-la land where you can just make up reality and back up your claims with baseless speculations, then that's up to you.
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Whether they are *actually* beholden to a contract, or not is largely irrelevant. The cost of a lawsuit both monetarily and in brand damage could easily outweigh the benefits of eliminating the reserve list.
Actually, it's very relevant, since there is no contractual agreement, WOTC isn't liable for anything if they change the policy. The lawsuit conspiracy is a product of wild speculation on here and reddit, so you can trust its validity about as far as you can throw a Magic card.
You cannot say that there is no contract or legally-binding agreement with any certainty. Some legal arrangements do come with non-disclosure clauses ("gag orders"), preventing all parties involved from talking about the agreement. You're entitled to your opinions, but you are wildly speculating just as the others here and Reddit. Nobody actually knows the details of the Reserved List.
There is a possibility that Wizards may be bluffing, and there is no actual legally-binding agreement. However, considering the efforts Wizards to state that the Reserved List is not being abolished, including Mark Rosewater publicly stating on his blog that he cannot even talk about the details, my speculation is that Wizards has some sort of binding agreement (Occam's Razor).
Or it could be that Wizard's actually care about the community... and do not want to upset people.
Just because there is no "contract"... doesn't mean people wouldn't sue.
Actually, it's very relevant, since there is no contractual agreement, WOTC isn't liable for anything if they change the policy.
You still have to pay your attorney, even when you win a lawsuit.
You still have negative exposure for the duration of a lawsuit, and possibly even after you win.
Whether they would *win* is, in fact, irrelevant. They could still get sued.
There is no contractual agreement because there has never been another party other than WOTC that would have signed anything. Who would have signed it anyways? Did WOTC just hunt down every owner of reserved list cards and mail them a copy of the contract?
There is no contract because there is no contract. If you and other reserved list conspirators want to continue to live in magical la-la land where you can just make up reality and back up your claims with baseless speculations, then that's up to you.
Promissory estoppal is a thing, and does exist. Again, if it was a simple matter of WotC reversing course due to outcry, they would have provided an explanation. They didn't, and they never have. They followed up multiple lengthy articles explaining why they were using the loophole, with a single paragraph saying "the loophole is closed".
The notion that WOTC won't end the reserved list for fear of a lawsuit is beyond absurd, is my point. Even if someone, or a group of people, were so idiotic that they would sue for damages when there exists no binding contract and even have the larger task of proving that new prints of old cards somehow destroys their value (since their collector value is subjective), makes the entire topic more ridiculous than the theory that man never landed on the moon.
Keep telling yourselves that your little conspiracy is true, that's fine. To me, it's a joke.
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Not to be *that* guy, but based on a bit of information from a source definitely in the know, Magic Origins is going to be the official name of the last core set ever, not Magic 2016 or M16.
A contractual agreement was made when Magic:The Gathering's rights were completely sold off by Garfield Games to establish and fundamentally withhold a reserve list on printed cards to ensure the collect-ability of the game would instill the continuation of Magic:The Gathering as a lifetime game.
I had heard this previously, around the announcement of modern as a format, while I thought it was highly likely I couldn't find proof. Thanks for putting that argument to rest.
Not to be *that* guy, but based on a bit of information from a source definitely in the know, Magic Origins is going to be the official name of the last core set ever, not Magic 2016 or M16.
Considering that most of us are looking at next year's Core Set as M16, and it being the last Core Set ever, I think saying Magic Origins is what they are calling M16 is accurate.
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A contractual agreement was made when Magic:The Gathering's rights were completely sold off by Garfield Games to establish and fundamentally withhold a reserve list on printed cards to ensure the collect-ability of the game would instill the continuation of Magic:The Gathering as a lifetime game.
I had heard this previously, around the announcement of modern as a format, while I thought it was highly likely I couldn't find proof. Thanks for putting that argument to rest.
How does that put anything to rest? That's just an account named "richardgarfield", there's no evidence that it actually is Richard Garfield or anyone else with special knowledge of any contracts associated with the sale of the property. If this actually is Richard Garfield, then fine, but that raises the question of why he believes the stated reason for the reserve list is still valid when there are good reasons to argue that the opposite is in fact true. But in any case, the fact that someone calling themselves Richard Garfield said some legalistic things that sound plausible doesn't mean the case is closed. Without any good reason to believe that's actually Dr Garfield it's no more confirmation than if I said it.
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That's my guess- something to fill the role of Core Sets
(and possibly take over DotP as the digital intro version),
with "regular" cards (not like Portal),
just simple ones like Cancel and Giant Growth.
Ha- I mentioned this in another thread.
I would expect no less from the company that brought us 4th ed. Unholy Strength.
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Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
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This makes me believe i will not be able to have my magic2016 cards' art altered soo there is a rifle in the background
We can always hope the tag line is M16: Mow down the opposition!
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
"Origins" could simply be the name of one of the sets to release as part of the Tarkir block... the one where they travel back in time.
Brief baseless story speculation would go something like: Sarkhan Vol's story description on the wizard's site says his spark ignited when he had a vision of an dragon-spirit. Origins would have Sarkhan Vol time-traveling back to the origins of the creation of this dragon-spirit and maybe ties in the origin of the conflict between the clans.
But that doesnt make any sense. A contract is between two entities, so who is the other entity? And since the collect-ability of the game is long since secure, what purpose would such a contract fulfill? I aim't passed the bar, but it seems unlikely that Wizards of the Coast is beholden to anything besides a gentlemen's agreement at this point. If they are legally forbidden from reproducing cards on the restricted list then how was Wheel of Fortune and Morphling printed as judge foils? Pretend I'm 5, pretend that I know nothing of the world. Explain in realistic terms why WotC cant reprint cards on the reserved list.
Whether they are *actually* beholden to a contract, or not is largely irrelevant. The cost of a lawsuit both monetarily and in brand damage could easily outweigh the benefits of eliminating the reserve list.
There was a time where I, like you, thought they could easily drop it and move on. In fact, they were headed that way with their announcement that they were actually going to use the foil loophole. Shortly after the announcement (I think it was a week and a half? Maybe less), they made a short announcement that the loophole is closed, and no reserve list cards will be reprinted ever. period.
They provided no explanation for the sudden 180 degree reversal, and won't talk about it. It's pretty clearly a matter that they have been directed to shut up about and not discuss, although I'm not sure why. Ultimately, though, the reserve list is here to stay. In my opinion, we will eventually see reprints of all the big cards, but it will be a last minute cash grab as the game is dying, and won't happen for a very long while.
The only other possiblity would be if counterfeits get too good and too prominent eventually, that WotC needs to do something to stop it. that's unlikely as counterfeiting P9 is not nearly as profitable as counterfeiting other cards (just like counterfeiting $50 bills is way less profitable than counterfeiting $10 bills). p9 just doesn't circulate and sell enough.
You cannot say that there is no contract or legally-binding agreement with any certainty. Some legal arrangements do come with non-disclosure clauses ("gag orders"), preventing all parties involved from talking about the agreement. You're entitled to your opinions, but you are wildly speculating just as the others here and Reddit. Nobody actually knows the details of the Reserved List.
There is a possibility that Wizards may be bluffing, and there is no actual legally-binding agreement. However, considering the efforts Wizards to state that the Reserved List is not being abolished, including Mark Rosewater publicly stating on his blog that he cannot even talk about the details, my speculation is that Wizards has some sort of binding agreement (Occam's Razor).
There is no contract because there is no contract. If you and other reserved list conspirators want to continue to live in magical la-la land where you can just make up reality and back up your claims with baseless speculations, then that's up to you.
Or it could be that Wizard's actually care about the community... and do not want to upset people.
Just because there is no "contract"... doesn't mean people wouldn't sue.
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You still have to pay your attorney, even when you win a lawsuit.
You still have negative exposure for the duration of a lawsuit, and possibly even after you win.
Whether they would *win* is, in fact, irrelevant. They could still get sued.
Promissory estoppal is a thing, and does exist. Again, if it was a simple matter of WotC reversing course due to outcry, they would have provided an explanation. They didn't, and they never have. They followed up multiple lengthy articles explaining why they were using the loophole, with a single paragraph saying "the loophole is closed".
Keep telling yourselves that your little conspiracy is true, that's fine. To me, it's a joke.
I had heard this previously, around the announcement of modern as a format, while I thought it was highly likely I couldn't find proof. Thanks for putting that argument to rest.
How does that put anything to rest? That's just an account named "richardgarfield", there's no evidence that it actually is Richard Garfield or anyone else with special knowledge of any contracts associated with the sale of the property. If this actually is Richard Garfield, then fine, but that raises the question of why he believes the stated reason for the reserve list is still valid when there are good reasons to argue that the opposite is in fact true. But in any case, the fact that someone calling themselves Richard Garfield said some legalistic things that sound plausible doesn't mean the case is closed. Without any good reason to believe that's actually Dr Garfield it's no more confirmation than if I said it.