I'd argue that Chandra Ablaze is worse than Nissa Revane.
That's definitely a popular opinion and almost certainly true for Standard/Modern,
but I would dissent, given how amazing Chandra Ablaze can be in in EDH.
They're all pretty bad though.
I *really* hope the PW I've been wanting for years doesn't join them
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It seems the default cost nowadays for new planewalkers is 4 and 5.
I don't understand why so many people are complaining, heck it was even the same with Ral Zarek. Just because both of them were really anticipated by fans doesn't mean Wizards was going to make the absurdly overpowered.
They could have at least made them powerful enough to see Modern play. All that they would have needed to do was make her come into play with 3 loyalty counters and make the ultimate a -6 and then she'd be fringe Modern playable. But no. They had to make her die to Lightning Bolt no matter what.
They could have at least made them powerful enough to see Modern play. All that they would have needed to do was make her come into play with 3 loyalty counters and make the ultimate a -6 and then she'd be fringe Modern playable. But no. They had to make her die to Lightning Bolt no matter what.
I'm praying there's something we don't know yet that will help her,
like Kruphix is both very playable and makes her hexproof or 3 or 4 starting loyalty,
but I realize I'm grasping at straws
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Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
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Anyhow, the best I can come up with myself is a game in the top 8 of a PTQ back during Urza block in which we were starting game 3 with time already expired, so the tiebreaker rule was that whoever had more life after 3 turns would win. And I lost to... healing salve.
I'm praying there's something we don't know yet that will help her,
like Kruphix is both very playable and makes her hexproof of 3 or 4 starting loyalty,
but I realize I'm grasping at straws
Man, that would be so great,his ability would be: one green/blue make target nonland permanent have hexproof until end of turn would be great. First play Kruphix. Next turn her. Use the fifth land to give her hexproof if need be and go away. .............
But that isn't going to happen sadly. If Kruphix did do that it would be in the argument of best god from the Theros block.
That's definitely a popular opinion and almost certainly true for Standard/Modern,
but I would dissent, given how amazing Chandra Ablaze can be in in EDH.
Indeed, Chandra Ablaze pops up in a variety of different archetypes in EDH. The only time I've seen Nissa played in an elf deck, she got cut pretty quickly for under-performing.
They're all pretty bad though.
I *really* hope the PW I've been wanting for years doesn't join them
She has a nice suite of abilities, but with that low starting loyalty, she's just going to get outclassed by better 4-cmc planeswalkers in her colors. I could see her in a Bant landfall deck in EDH, but I don't see her popping up anywhere else in the format, and she seems too fragile for other formats.
Someone earlier in the thread said that Ral Zarek could just Bolt her; she can null his damage with her +1. I find that very interesting. She can null things like Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle, which I think is bonkers. Your damage dealing combo piece? Nulled.
A decent point that nulling one of their creatures gives them an immortal blocker. I don't think you'll be Doom Blade-ing a creature you just decided to use this on.
I do like her +1 more than Jace's; yes, stopping swarms with -1/-0 is good, but they are harder to put on the field (most of the time) and more difficult to keep there. On the other hand, dropping a single bomb creature is no difficult feat.
Her -1 is oddly placed. I'm not super happy she costs 4 but is supposed to be ramping. It's nice that it draws cards and gets through your deck faster, but I'd have rather she had that -1 at the cost of 1GU, at least then you have 5 mana T3 if you drew 4 lands and a Dork; then again, I suppose if you drew 5 lands you'd have 6 mana T3, but she already looks like she's good against control. On the draw, that would be nearly impossible to come back from if you're control fighting this.
Anyway, her -1 is good; she fits on curve for T3 Explore, she comes down soon enough to preempt threats so she can +1 effectively. Her -5 is really funny, I feel like it's win more.
I think most people are right in saying she is very UG-Mid-Range vs Control.
Against aggro she'll come down T4 at the soonest; you'll want to protect her, she only has 2 starting loyalty, you won't be blocking with Dorks more than likely, but most of all you'll want as large a thing as you can play to stem the attacks.
Against control, her starting loyalty is pretty irrelevant; you'll know if you can protect her or not. Her abilities are pretty great against control as well; stop their clock, gain card and land advantage, and have an unstoppable source of clocks.
TL;DR
+1: I like it, better than Jace's due to versatility.
-1: Feels like it should have been +1 at 4CMC, but still good.
-5: You let me do this?
Starts at 2 Loyalty: Dead against aggro.
Like I said, arguably, lol. Either way, Lili is clearly the First Lady of Modern at the moment, and Kiora isn't likely to make even a small splash in the pool.
People complain bout Kiora diein to fast. But Liliana is not better at this point. I almost always made the experience that Liliana of the Veil dies the turn after she enters the battlefield. I play Modern & gotta say Elspeth is soo Superior in comparison to Liliana of the short life. No idea why shes praised so highly. She faar can not compety with the Elite 2
Now to Kiora: Shes the kind of walker that has to work very hard. You want that brutal Ultimate.
+1is definately a good way to protect you/her & to approach the great Ultimate.
-1 Draw one card. Thats how I read it. The additional land-drop wont help im afraid. But it replaces herself @ least 1 time.
-5 o.O My favourite PW-Final so far. Definately worth the investment of the already good +1
However I gotta agree with ya”ll. Needed more starting-loyality. But definately a good card. Will love playtesting het ^^
They could have at least made them powerful enough to see Modern play. All that they would have needed to do was make her come into play with 3 loyalty counters and make the ultimate a -6 and then she'd be fringe Modern playable. But no. They had to make her die to Lightning Bolt no matter what.
I'm a little conflicted with what you said. A part of me agrees that Wizards should make more Modern playable cards, like planewalkers, but the other half knows that every time they do make something with Modern in mind people complain.
People complain bout Kiora diein to fast. But Liliana is not better at this point. I almost always made the experience that Liliana of the Veil dies the turn after she enters the battlefield. I play Modern & gotta say Elspeth is soo Superior in comparison to Liliana of the short life. No idea why shes praised so highly. She faar can not compety with the Elite 2
Now to Kiora: Shes the kind of walker that has to work very hard. You want that brutal Ultimate.
+1is definately a good way to protect you/her & to approach the great Ultimate.
-1 Draw one card. Thats how I read it. The additional land-drop wont help im afraid. But it replaces herself @ least 1 time.
-5 o.O My favourite PW-Final so far. Definately worth the investment of the already good +1
However I gotta agree with ya”ll. Needed more starting-loyality. But definately a good card. Will love playtesting het ^^
I put Elspeth at second best ever printed as well, but the fact is that she doesn't mesh into the Modern meta very well right now, where Lili has proven herself to put in work in a format where she comfortably fits.
Reminds me a lot of Tamiyo, but at 3 less loyalty for 1 less mana.
She goes really well with Sphinx's Revelation.
I just wish she came at a CMC other than 4, between this, Jace, and Chandra, there's too many good walkers at 4.
That said, the dies to any burn spell is an issue though you can somewhat offset this by playing her on turn 5. Assuming you have another land in hand you can play it on 5, -1, and have 2 mana up for Negate.
I'm a little conflicted with what you said. A part of me agrees that Wizards should make more Modern playable cards, like planewalkers, but the other half knows that every time they do make something with Modern in mind people complain.
I'm no modern player, but when I see XYZ Super Friends decks in standard I kind of cringe. Is that not the same in modern? Wouldn't it be really irritating to have a Super Friends deck exist in modern? It's essentially a ton of free resources... If it actually got 3-5 walkers that worked together extremely well...
Maybe it's just my bad taste for that kind of deck.
She has a nice suite of abilities, but with that low starting loyalty, she's just going to get outclassed by better 4-cmc planeswalkers in her colors. I could see her in a Bant landfall deck in EDH, but I don't see her popping up anywhere else in the format, and she seems too fragile for other formats.
I'll definitely put her in my 5-color Superfriends-
That sweet, sweet Emblem is absurdly easy to get with Proliferate or Clockspinning
(and her +1 is above average there, too).
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I'm no modern player, but when I see XYZ Super Friends decks in standard I kind of cringe. Is that not the same in modern? Wouldn't it be really irritating to have a Super Friends deck exist in modern? It's essentially a ton of free resources... If it actually got 3-5 walkers that worked together extremely well...
Maybe it's just my bad taste for that kind of deck.
There is just so much in Modern that can deal with Kiora or simply just win without worrying about her.
It's not like they haven't tried making Modern playable cards. It's just hard to make them compete with older, more powerful cards.
I'm no modern player, but when I see XYZ Super Friends decks in standard I kind of cringe. Is that not the same in modern? Wouldn't it be really irritating to have a Super Friends deck exist in modern? It's essentially a ton of free resources... If it actually got 3-5 walkers that worked together extremely well...
Maybe it's just my bad taste for that kind of deck.
Modern already has superfriends it's just not tier 1. Gideon, good Elspeth, sometimes Tamiyo, Jace Beleren, throw in red for Chandra or black for Liliana if you want.
This card seems better once Jace rotates out of Standard. This will probably be a 1 of at best since it feels like Jace does more work than she does since getting more cards seems more worthwhile than ramping up 1 mana. This seems like it will be probably a better sideboard card verses control than a main deck one. The place I see card right now though is THS Block since it wont die as easily and it gives devotion. UG is already solid in that format and this will give it a pretty nice boost.
I think this might see some play in bant control only. The -1 ability would have been way better if it was a 0 like Chandra. It combos well with Supreme Verdict but like having to keep plusing and minusing means the ultimate wont ever happen and that you wont be getting that much advantage off it since some removal will take it off the board at some point. Its pretty bad against mutavault, so I cant ever see this thing hanging for a while meaning that it will be an Urban Evolution that will get you either 2-3 cards at max which is ok for 4 mana.
The +1 is ok, but you will most likely need to crack it most of the time since other wise it will just die to a Dsphere or Heros Downfall. Planeswalkers that dont gain any immediate value the turn they come into play are usually a waste, so this things draw 1 ability will probably be more used than the +1.
People complain bout Kiora diein to fast. But Liliana is not better at this point. I almost always made the experience that Liliana of the Veil dies the turn after she enters the battlefield. I play Modern & gotta say Elspeth is soo Superior in comparison to Liliana of the short life. No idea why shes praised so highly. She faar can not compety with the Elite 2
Now to Kiora: Shes the kind of walker that has to work very hard. You want that brutal Ultimate.
+1is definately a good way to protect you/her & to approach the great Ultimate.
-1 Draw one card. Thats how I read it. The additional land-drop wont help im afraid. But it replaces herself @ least 1 time.
-5 o.O My favourite PW-Final so far. Definately worth the investment of the already good +1
However I gotta agree with ya”ll. Needed more starting-loyality. But definately a good card. Will love playtesting het ^^
Liliana costs 3 mana that is why she is so powerful, if you take Liliana and put 1 more colorless mana on her she becomes niche playable at best even if you make her other abilities more powerful to compensate. A turn 2 liliana in modern off a deathrite shaman turn 1 is not what you want to see trust me :).
On topic though, I think this card was intentionally altered from 3-4 starting loyalty to 2 late in development. This is the only planeswalker that costs 4 mana that has 2 starting loyalty besides Nissa. I think it is still potentially playable though, do not underestimate repeatable ramp. Obviously you need to have the lands in hand, but you get a card draw and a free land drop which is nice.
I think people are overrating the dies to burn thing though, I mean if your meta is a ton of red obviously its a factor. I can go entire standard tournaments without seeing much red in my meta, even those that play red might not always be running 4x lightning strike.
You can't tap out to play it against any deck running Lightning Bolt. You trade 1 for 1, 4 mana for 1 mana. They get to electrolyze/snapcaster+bolt again on top of it. Wow.
She does pacify tarmogoyf, but it might not be enough. Jund also runs bolts.
3 base loyalty, -2 explore and -6 ult would have made this playable. (A well timed, manaless explore can be huge.)
The new offcolor 'guild' planeswalkers continue to disappoint. They all fall short of being solid. Like golden statues with few but very large cracks running down them. Or works of art with a spilled ink blot.
Speaking of art, again, has there been any reason given for the lack of border-breaking with her art?
You don't call "dying to removal" if the removal is more expensive in resources than the creature. If you have to spend BG (Abrupt Decay), or W + basic land (PtE) to remove a 1G, that is not "dying to removal". Strictly speaking Goyf dies to removal, but actually your removal is dying to Goyf.
What we really need to make her work in the current standard is a few more sweet counterspells that would ensure her survival for at least two turns. Explore on a stick is fantastic, but not as great when it could easily be taken out of play the very next turn in the current environment. I mean, you could go:
T1: Land, Mystic
T2: Land, Caryatid (or Voyaging Satyr)
T3: Land, Kiora, -1 to drop another land
But then you need a 2cc counterspell to save her from a stray Lightning Strike. Negate is okay, but what else do we really have at the moment? I dunno, if there's more U/G support maybe Simic Charm could find a place bouncing creatures and giving permanents hexproof?
She has great abilities, but with that loyalty I'm not sure if she'll even be able to live long enough in a match for us to get use out of her. Too many evasive creatures in Standard right now (so no point point in ramping and dropping her early), and there's not really much appeal imo to playing her on turn 5 or 6 if you're playing U/G when there are better options available. Who knows, maybe we'll get something insane in the next two sets to really push her over the top.
What would be insane is if Remand is reprinted sometime while she is in Standard. That would be sooooo much fun.
probably playable, but pretty meh. Does seem like a worse Jace, who isn't exactly cracking skulls himself, but it's ability is pretty unique, so that's something.
The -1 is pretty good tho, even at 4 mana.
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That's definitely a popular opinion and almost certainly true for Standard/Modern,
but I would dissent, given how amazing Chandra Ablaze can be in in EDH.
They're all pretty bad though.
I *really* hope the PW I've been wanting for years doesn't join them
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They could have at least made them powerful enough to see Modern play. All that they would have needed to do was make her come into play with 3 loyalty counters and make the ultimate a -6 and then she'd be fringe Modern playable. But no. They had to make her die to Lightning Bolt no matter what.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Unfortunately she's bad. 2 loyalty means unplayable (boltable),
and the effects don't do enough.
I'm praying there's something we don't know yet that will help her,
like Kruphix is both very playable and makes her hexproof or 3 or 4 starting loyalty,
but I realize I'm grasping at straws
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Not if spellskite has anything to say about it
I like her. She's par for the course and I'll definitely try building around her somehow.
Man, that would be so great,his ability would be: one green/blue make target nonland permanent have hexproof until end of turn would be great. First play Kruphix. Next turn her. Use the fifth land to give her hexproof if need be and go away. .............
But that isn't going to happen sadly. If Kruphix did do that it would be in the argument of best god from the Theros block.
Indeed, Chandra Ablaze pops up in a variety of different archetypes in EDH. The only time I've seen Nissa played in an elf deck, she got cut pretty quickly for under-performing.
She has a nice suite of abilities, but with that low starting loyalty, she's just going to get outclassed by better 4-cmc planeswalkers in her colors. I could see her in a Bant landfall deck in EDH, but I don't see her popping up anywhere else in the format, and she seems too fragile for other formats.
A decent point that nulling one of their creatures gives them an immortal blocker. I don't think you'll be Doom Blade-ing a creature you just decided to use this on.
I do like her +1 more than Jace's; yes, stopping swarms with -1/-0 is good, but they are harder to put on the field (most of the time) and more difficult to keep there. On the other hand, dropping a single bomb creature is no difficult feat.
Her -1 is oddly placed. I'm not super happy she costs 4 but is supposed to be ramping. It's nice that it draws cards and gets through your deck faster, but I'd have rather she had that -1 at the cost of 1GU, at least then you have 5 mana T3 if you drew 4 lands and a Dork; then again, I suppose if you drew 5 lands you'd have 6 mana T3, but she already looks like she's good against control. On the draw, that would be nearly impossible to come back from if you're control fighting this.
T2: Island, Kiora, Forest
T3: Island, Forest, Garruk
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Garruk -3, into Prophet of Kruphix, on opponent's turn Flash Arbor Colossus
T4: Monstrosity Arbor Colossus while attacking.
Too bad you can't squeeze Nylea in there as well to give your T4 9/9 trample as well.
I think most people are right in saying she is very UG-Mid-Range vs Control.
Against aggro she'll come down T4 at the soonest; you'll want to protect her, she only has 2 starting loyalty, you won't be blocking with Dorks more than likely, but most of all you'll want as large a thing as you can play to stem the attacks.
Against control, her starting loyalty is pretty irrelevant; you'll know if you can protect her or not. Her abilities are pretty great against control as well; stop their clock, gain card and land advantage, and have an unstoppable source of clocks.
TL;DR
+1: I like it, better than Jace's due to versatility.
-1: Feels like it should have been +1 at 4CMC, but still good.
-5: You let me do this?
Starts at 2 Loyalty: Dead against aggro.
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People complain bout Kiora diein to fast. But Liliana is not better at this point. I almost always made the experience that Liliana of the Veil dies the turn after she enters the battlefield. I play Modern & gotta say Elspeth is soo Superior in comparison to Liliana of the short life. No idea why shes praised so highly. She faar can not compety with the Elite 2
Now to Kiora: Shes the kind of walker that has to work very hard. You want that brutal Ultimate.
+1is definately a good way to protect you/her & to approach the great Ultimate.
-1 Draw one card. Thats how I read it. The additional land-drop wont help im afraid. But it replaces herself @ least 1 time.
-5 o.O My favourite PW-Final so far. Definately worth the investment of the already good +1
However I gotta agree with ya”ll. Needed more starting-loyality. But definately a good card. Will love playtesting het ^^
I'm a little conflicted with what you said. A part of me agrees that Wizards should make more Modern playable cards, like planewalkers, but the other half knows that every time they do make something with Modern in mind people complain.
I put Elspeth at second best ever printed as well, but the fact is that she doesn't mesh into the Modern meta very well right now, where Lili has proven herself to put in work in a format where she comfortably fits.
She goes really well with Sphinx's Revelation.
I just wish she came at a CMC other than 4, between this, Jace, and Chandra, there's too many good walkers at 4.
That said, the dies to any burn spell is an issue though you can somewhat offset this by playing her on turn 5. Assuming you have another land in hand you can play it on 5, -1, and have 2 mana up for Negate.
I'm no modern player, but when I see XYZ Super Friends decks in standard I kind of cringe. Is that not the same in modern? Wouldn't it be really irritating to have a Super Friends deck exist in modern? It's essentially a ton of free resources... If it actually got 3-5 walkers that worked together extremely well...
Maybe it's just my bad taste for that kind of deck.
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I'll definitely put her in my 5-color Superfriends-
That sweet, sweet Emblem is absurdly easy to get with Proliferate or Clockspinning
(and her +1 is above average there, too).
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Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
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There is just so much in Modern that can deal with Kiora or simply just win without worrying about her.
It's not like they haven't tried making Modern playable cards. It's just hard to make them compete with older, more powerful cards.
Modern already has superfriends it's just not tier 1. Gideon, good Elspeth, sometimes Tamiyo, Jace Beleren, throw in red for Chandra or black for Liliana if you want.
I think this might see some play in bant control only. The -1 ability would have been way better if it was a 0 like Chandra. It combos well with Supreme Verdict but like having to keep plusing and minusing means the ultimate wont ever happen and that you wont be getting that much advantage off it since some removal will take it off the board at some point. Its pretty bad against mutavault, so I cant ever see this thing hanging for a while meaning that it will be an Urban Evolution that will get you either 2-3 cards at max which is ok for 4 mana.
The +1 is ok, but you will most likely need to crack it most of the time since other wise it will just die to a Dsphere or Heros Downfall. Planeswalkers that dont gain any immediate value the turn they come into play are usually a waste, so this things draw 1 ability will probably be more used than the +1.
Liliana costs 3 mana that is why she is so powerful, if you take Liliana and put 1 more colorless mana on her she becomes niche playable at best even if you make her other abilities more powerful to compensate. A turn 2 liliana in modern off a deathrite shaman turn 1 is not what you want to see trust me :).
On topic though, I think this card was intentionally altered from 3-4 starting loyalty to 2 late in development. This is the only planeswalker that costs 4 mana that has 2 starting loyalty besides Nissa. I think it is still potentially playable though, do not underestimate repeatable ramp. Obviously you need to have the lands in hand, but you get a card draw and a free land drop which is nice.
I think people are overrating the dies to burn thing though, I mean if your meta is a ton of red obviously its a factor. I can go entire standard tournaments without seeing much red in my meta, even those that play red might not always be running 4x lightning strike.
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You can't tap out to play it against any deck running Lightning Bolt. You trade 1 for 1, 4 mana for 1 mana. They get to electrolyze/snapcaster+bolt again on top of it. Wow.
She does pacify tarmogoyf, but it might not be enough. Jund also runs bolts.
3 base loyalty, -2 explore and -6 ult would have made this playable. (A well timed, manaless explore can be huge.)
The new offcolor 'guild' planeswalkers continue to disappoint. They all fall short of being solid. Like golden statues with few but very large cracks running down them. Or works of art with a spilled ink blot.
Speaking of art, again, has there been any reason given for the lack of border-breaking with her art?
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10/10, I tapped.
T1: Land, Mystic
T2: Land, Caryatid (or Voyaging Satyr)
T3: Land, Kiora, -1 to drop another land
But then you need a 2cc counterspell to save her from a stray Lightning Strike. Negate is okay, but what else do we really have at the moment? I dunno, if there's more U/G support maybe Simic Charm could find a place bouncing creatures and giving permanents hexproof?
She has great abilities, but with that loyalty I'm not sure if she'll even be able to live long enough in a match for us to get use out of her. Too many evasive creatures in Standard right now (so no point point in ramping and dropping her early), and there's not really much appeal imo to playing her on turn 5 or 6 if you're playing U/G when there are better options available. Who knows, maybe we'll get something insane in the next two sets to really push her over the top.
What would be insane is if Remand is reprinted sometime while she is in Standard. That would be sooooo much fun.
The -1 is pretty good tho, even at 4 mana.
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She might be cool in Angus, but I'd never want to topdeck her turn six plus barring convoluted circumstance.
Even her emblem is kind of underwhelming, but it can be strong if you turn 1 Sol Ring, turn 2 Kiora. Nearly any walker turn two is great though.
UG(x) doesn't need her. She doesn't do enough for a competitive list.
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