Quote from dachivaleI dont get all the haterate around the new rules....
I for one think this wil make alot more fun, I realy didnt like the 'I clone your thing, it dies now' kinda play that was to much happening all over, specialy in EDH it happens so often its just not fun anymore....
Quote from iTRVEdh you can house rule to be whatever the hell you want, like how it came to exist at all. Rules changes with edh in mind need to keep to themselves and not wreck up all the other formats.
Quote from DarkKaosKnightWrath of God, Damnation, Black Sun's Zenith, Hallowed Burial, Terminus, edict like effects (Cruel Edict), Final Judgment, Evacuation, Mindbreak Trap. The real losers against Thrun are red and green themselves. The only way for red to deal with him is by playing Everlasting Torment with global damage or chump blockers.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of the change but it's still possible to deal with Thrun. It's GoST that should worry everyone since he's cheaper and hits harder.
Quote from MonopomanThose colors didn't have access to clone effects anyways. I'm pretty sure I haven't seen a red/green clone effect.
Quote from leslakSpitting Image
Splinter Twin Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
other 4 exemples
Cytoshape Dual Nature Parallel Evolution Progenitor Mimic
Rhys the Redeemed Sprouting Phytohydra Essence of the Wild
Quote from Windows VAm I the only one annoyed that the adjective "indestructible" is the keyword instead of one of its noun forms - "indestructibility" and "indestructibleness"? I mean, sure, not all keywords are nouns ("trample" is a verb, for example), but "Creature X has indestructible" sounds kind of weird compared to "Creature X has indestructibility".
Quote from UnderwaterGuyThank goodness. Why would players be expected to actually look at the board and see which creatures are in play?
Quote from Genghis TronPlease tell me you've never missed a trigger. Never ever not once. Because unless you're that one person that has never missed a trigger...
Quote from MonopomanKiki can't use his ability on legendary creatures, Splinter Twin is horrible to use as a clone for the opponents creature since the creature has the ability.
Some of the cards you listed require blue mana or are not "true clone effects".
So basically from the list cards that would interact favorably with legendary creatures potentially.
Spitting Image Heat Shimmer
Everything else requires things to go right works with only tokens or just clones itself.
Unfortunately for red/green both of those effects require a target which Geist of St. Traft and Thrun are very good at avoiding anyways.
Quote from Gamester2488Wow, this legend rule is absurd.
Think back to the era of Big Jace. What was the BEST way to beat big Jace? Play little Jace, and either Jace first, or Jace follow up. Using PW's to beat other PW's has always been VERY important because there aren't a ton of ways to beat them. It's infuriating that Wizards keeps making changes to things that don't need to be changed. It's very annoying. They could have left it at you get to choose which one lives, but taking it that extra step and allowing both you and your opponent to have the same PW in play? That's absurd.
The other changes are negligible. The Sideboard change was actually long over due in my opinion, bringing it in tune with Limited is important, to prevent potential confusion.
Quote from Longshanks126Played 4 games of EDH last night and decided to test out these rules. It was...interesting. Wasn't really game breaking or anything. But it did get annoying at times. 3 Lazav's on board at once was pretty stupid. Same with 2 Taimayo's. But nothing that made us all rage or flip any tables. Just another dynamic to play around. Of course this was a very limited test, 4 games in one meta.
Quote from UnderwaterGuyI have missed triggers sometimes. It doesn't mean I think wotc should remove them from the game though.
Quote from Dechs KaisonWinning should be discouraged because losing is not something people enjoy.
Quote from Rigged Spindown DieI am really angry about this change cause it means they are nerfing Kokusho which is not fair. Before this stupid rule you could cast Right of Replication and then kill all your opponents when all the Kokushos you make go to the graveyard but now only four Kokushos will go to the graveyard so it will not be as strong. They must be doing this on purpose because they are finally reprinting Kokusho and then Wizards pulls this rules crap. I am so upset about this! Why would they do such a mean thing to Kokusho!?!
Quote from Devil"s AdvocateYep, you figured it out. Wizards is implementing a rules change that hugely impacts every single format because they wanted to nerf one very specific interaction in an unsanctioned format.